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Post by birukitty on Apr 15, 2016 2:30:43 GMT
Omg, someone LIKES Scott and Jason? I can'tbelieve that! He's your son so I'm sure he's a wonderful guy, but I'm shocked! I don't believe that was game play. I believe it was two creepy, nasty men being big babies. Anyone who hasn't read Dalton's recap, read it. I think he spent two pages going off on those three guys. He expressed everything I felt. Will their asinine antics pay off? I doubt it but it's hard to say. I would be shocked if the jury voted to give any of them the million, if they make it that far. Yes, Dalton shared your views and everyone else's 100%, but did you read Jeff's Q and A? Jeff didn't see what they (Scott and Jason) did so much as being big babies but as being their game play. Was it wise game play? DS thought so. I'm sort of half and half at this point. I can see my son's side. I can also see Jeff's side. I do not agree that Scott and Jason were being babies. I think they did what they thought was strategic game play on their part. That's my feelings as being a true Survivor fan. Will their antics pay off? I don't know. That's the point I made to my son. By hiding the machete and the ax Scott and Jason are taking a huge risk of further pissing off all of the other players (except Tai) and those are possible jury members. That's when DS said his bit about game play. He is a very intelligent young man and sees this game better than I do (the tricky little ins and outs and hidden things I don't see) but he also likes players most people hate-like the guy who pretended his grandmother had died-was that Johnny Fairplay or something like that? He also likes Russell who I hated! Thanks for what you said Jackie about him being a wonderful guy. He is (of course that's his mother talking) but deep down he is, he's very caring about animals and would give a person the shirt off his back if asked to. I wanted to share both of our perspectives on here today because they were different than everyone else's. Mine is not as far different than my son's, but it is a bit. Debbie in MD. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 15, 2016 3:01:37 GMT
Omg, someone LIKES Scott and Jason? I can'tbelieve that! He's your son so I'm sure he's a wonderful guy, but I'm shocked! I don't believe that was game play. I believe it was two creepy, nasty men being big babies. Anyone who hasn't read Dalton's recap, read it. I think he spent two pages going off on those three guys. He expressed everything I felt. Will their asinine antics pay off? I doubt it but it's hard to say. I would be shocked if the jury voted to give any of them the million, if they make it that far.  Dalton's recap is right on, especially regarding Scott's putting the water on the fire. He did that out of pure pettiness and anger that the girls figured a way to get the coconut's open and weren't crumbling without the machete & axe. His assessment of Julia is also excellent. It's fine to work multiple alliances, but it was kind of head shaking how obvious she was about it. I'm hugely disappointed in Tai. He has an idol and could have walked away from Jason & Scott insteaded of following along with their sabotage behavior. There was definitely medical at camp this week. Both Debbie & Aubrey had new bandages at the IC that they weren't wearing earlier. I don't remember any other season where contestants were getting treated this regularly. Finally, I just have to talk about Joe. I laughed at how quickly he took himself out of the RC. He might outlast a few more players but he is definitely not outwit or outplaying anyone. |
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Post by pjaye on Apr 15, 2016 4:28:56 GMT
I do not agree that Scott and Jason were being babies. I think they did what they thought was strategic game play on their part. That's my feelings as being a true Survivor fan. I couldn't disagree more. They were just being bullies and thugs and because they wanted to be and to get 'revenge' because TC didn't go the way they wanted, it's just a convenient excuse to pretend it's 'game play' and just a part of their strategy. Lots of people face this same scenario in Survivor, where they are in the bottom and things aren't going their way, yet very few of them choose behave like this. When you behave like this in a game...it does show everyone who you truly are, and no-one who behaves like this gets votes at final TC or wins. Russell Hantz is a perfect example, got to the final twice with this sort of behaviour, and lost both times. In two final TCs he only managed 2 votes in total...the second time he got none. |
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Post by jackie on Apr 15, 2016 4:58:49 GMT
You know Debbie, I haven't read Jeff's Q&A yet, which is unusual for me. I have to go do that. I will say though, that as much as I love Jeff, I think he's too soft on his analysis of the players. They're almost like his kids or something and he's reluctant to see the worst in them--he really strives to say something positive. I still feel strongly that the guys are about punishing people and showing everyone they're the boss. I think they're calling it game play because then they can pretend there is a reason for their assholian antics. "Psychological warfare" sounds a whole better than "I'm a baby and a sore loser throwing a tantrum." Sorry, I ain't buying it. But that's what I love about this show--I enjoy hearing the different thoughts and opinions, whether I agree or not. And I'll be honest, I really enjoyed Russell his first time around. His sabotage was done in moments of clarity, not when he was really pissed, so I buy his psychological warfare a lot more. Russell made some critical mistakes though, that lost him the game. My dh and I had the same arguments you and your ds had-- my dh hated him too. Of course I grew to hate him eventually too.  |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 15, 2016 14:47:58 GMT
I detest Scott and Jason with every fiber of my being. We have Tai in the pool and I was horrified when he threw water on the fire. Scott sitting there with that damn smug look on his face ~ I told DH and DS that if I found the machete, I would use it on him and be the first Survivor contestant to be in prison (other than Richard Hatch but his wasn't for a violent crime.)  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 14:56:57 GMT
Not only are Scott and Jason total jerks but I loved how Jason stayed pretending to sleep or rest in the hut while Scott took on the brunt of it. So Jason's a jerk AND a wimp. Ooooh, scary bounty hunter!
I'm sorry to see Debbie go. She provided endless entertainment for my family as we watched. We would always add jobs she's probably done, things she was better at than everyone, and her modeling experience.
So disappointed in Tai and he's going to be very disappointed in himself. I didn't think he was the type to change who he is as a person in order to play/win a game.
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Post by finaledition on Apr 15, 2016 19:34:00 GMT
I detest Scott and Jason with every fiber of my being. We have Tai in the pool and I was horrified when he threw water on the fire. Scott sitting there with that damn smug look on his face ~ I told DH and DS that if I found the machete, I would use it on him and be the first Survivor contestant to be in prison (other than Richard Hatch but his wasn't for a violent crime.) Just a comment re Richard Hatch. He was vilified and definitely the poster boy for bad boys, but Scott and Jason by comparison are 100 times worse. Richard Hatch just played the game when the audience was not ready for that type of game playing. These two idiots have definite character flaws. |
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 15, 2016 19:50:28 GMT
I detest Scott and Jason with every fiber of my being. We have Tai in the pool and I was horrified when he threw water on the fire. Scott sitting there with that damn smug look on his face ~ I told DH and DS that if I found the machete, I would use it on him and be the first Survivor contestant to be in prison (other than Richard Hatch but his wasn't for a violent crime.) Just a comment re Richard Hatch. He was vilified and definitely the poster boy for bad boys, but Scott and Jason by comparison are 100 times worse. Richard Hatch just played the game when the audience was not ready for that type of game playing. These two idiots have definite character flaws. I don't remember him being vilified for playing the game, not paying taxes on his winnings is what got him in trouble. His game play was exemplary since it was the first season and no one had a clue except him. Jason and Scott are awful. |
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Post by imsirius on Apr 15, 2016 20:02:57 GMT
Scott and Jason were not playing the game. No way!! It was poor sportsmanship and they were pissed off that the other side DARE go against them because they thought they were in charge. It reeked of revenge. I hate players who whine about votes. It's part of the game to outwit and out play and outlast. It's not a team game. (Alliance yes, but not team).
They were such asshats plain and simple. Big freaking babies. It made me sick to see two grown men act that way. I was so happy that the girls did not react but just stayed calm and figured something else out. It made the antics even more pathetic. But Debbie was right when she said its one thing to be mad and steal shit but it's a whole other thing to deliberately try to interfere with daily survival. No fire, you can't drink. That's not game..it's just nasty and revenge.
I can't wait to see Scott and Jason implode and get voted out. I really hope they go with their idols too lol...course I haven't read many spoilers this year so I don't even know if they do go, but I really hope so!!
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Post by birukitty on Apr 15, 2016 20:09:25 GMT
You know Debbie, I haven't read Jeff's Q&A yet, which is unusual for me. I have to go do that. I will say though, that as much as I love Jeff, I think he's too soft on his analysis of the players. They're almost like his kids or something and he's reluctant to see the worst in them--he really strives to say something positive. I still feel strongly that the guys are about punishing people and showing everyone they're the boss. I think they're calling it game play because then they can pretend there is a reason for their assholian antics. "Psychological warfare" sounds a whole better than "I'm a baby and a sore loser throwing a tantrum." Sorry, I ain't buying it. But that's what I love about this show--I enjoy hearing the different thoughts and opinions, whether I agree or not. And I'll be honest, I really enjoyed Russell his first time around. His sabotage was done in moments of clarity, not when he was really pissed, so I buy his psychological warfare a lot more. Russell made some critical mistakes though, that lost him the game. My dh and I had the same arguments you and your ds had-- my dh hated him too. Of course I grew to hate him eventually too. Thanks Jackie-I appreciate someone who can hear different thoughts and opinions whether they agree or not. That's what I love too about Survivor and especially about talking Survivor with this board. I think the wise part about it being game play (and whether or not it truly is) is if it's done in the heat of anger or if it's done in a calm, calculated manner. Everyone remembers J'nai (I don't think I have her name right) she was the African American girl who threw the rice on the fire in a fit of anger on a past season. That wasn't game play, that was just a fit of anger and loss of self control. While what Scott and Jason did may very well be viewed as a very bad move game wise, I personally don't think they did it while in a fit of anger or loss of self control. It was a thought out calculation. At this point I'm thinking what they've done (what they see as game play) wasn't a wise move at all. I think it will hurt them in the long run because not one person other than Tai will vote for them should they get to the final 3. DS sees it differently. Most of the Peas (including you) are so mad at them and hate them that you can't stand the thought of them making it to final 3. And that's perfectly okay. There are lots of seasons where I've felt the exact same way about other players! I'm just not feeling the hate yet for these two that everyone else is. Jason maybe. Scott not yet. Tai no way. Poor Joe. I really wanted him to go far at the beginning of this season. But even for being an former FBI agent he doesn't seem to have a clue as to what's going on half of the time. Gotta agree with you on that Bc2ca. Debbie in MD. |
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Post by ModChick on Apr 15, 2016 20:10:07 GMT
Last night my dd and I both lost our love for Tai. My dh was trying to defend him. We said nope, the weak guy who goes along with the bully is as bad as the bully. He's almost even worse because he's all sneaky. At least we KNOW who Jason and Scott are. When Tai threw the water on the fire, no one was around; he didn't have to do that. Yes, and it so broke my heart, I lived Tai. I kept saying to the tv when Debbie was asking about the axe come on Tai say something about the others hiding it or in the very least don't play all dumb and say speak like you know nothing and can't believe they are gone. When he was talking to the guys about you cant go too far I thought he was going to have a change of heart and set things right. Nope he only got worse with the water on the fire. Sigh. So disappointment in him. |
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Post by gale w on Apr 15, 2016 20:28:35 GMT
Just a comment re Richard Hatch. He was vilified and definitely the poster boy for bad boys, but Scott and Jason by comparison are 100 times worse. Richard Hatch just played the game when the audience was not ready for that type of game playing. These two idiots have definite character flaws. I don't remember him being vilified for playing the game, not paying taxes on his winnings is what got him in trouble. His game play was exemplary since it was the first season and no one had a clue except him. Jason and Scott are awful. In survivor circles he's vilified often for how he played. I really liked him on both seasons he was on. Michael Skupin might be the next former survivor to go to prison... |
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Post by grammanisi on Apr 15, 2016 20:58:05 GMT
I told my husband that I would be afraid to go to sleep with Scott around.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 16, 2016 0:02:59 GMT
You know Debbie, I haven't read Jeff's Q&A yet, which is unusual for me. I have to go do that. I will say though, that as much as I love Jeff, I think he's too soft on his analysis of the players. They're almost like his kids or something and he's reluctant to see the worst in them--he really strives to say something positive. I still feel strongly that the guys are about punishing people and showing everyone they're the boss. I think they're calling it game play because then they can pretend there is a reason for their assholian antics. "Psychological warfare" sounds a whole better than "I'm a baby and a sore loser throwing a tantrum." Sorry, I ain't buying it. But that's what I love about this show--I enjoy hearing the different thoughts and opinions, whether I agree or not. And I'll be honest, I really enjoyed Russell his first time around. His sabotage was done in moments of clarity, not when he was really pissed, so I buy his psychological warfare a lot more. Russell made some critical mistakes though, that lost him the game. My dh and I had the same arguments you and your ds had-- my dh hated him too. Of course I grew to hate him eventually too. Thanks Jackie-I appreciate someone who can hear different thoughts and opinions whether they agree or not. That's what I love too about Survivor and especially about talking Survivor with this board. I think the wise part about it being game play (and whether or not it truly is) is if it's done in the heat of anger or if it's done in a calm, calculated manner. Everyone remembers J'nai (I don't think I have her name right) she was the African American girl who threw the rice on the fire in a fit of anger on a past season. That wasn't game play, that was just a fit of anger and loss of self control. While what Scott and Jason did may very well be viewed as a very bad move game wise, I personally don't think they did it while in a fit of anger or loss of self control. It was a thought out calculation. At this point I'm thinking what they've done (what they see as game play) wasn't a wise move at all. I think it will hurt them in the long run because not one person other than Tai will vote for them should they get to the final 3. DS sees it differently. Most of the Peas (including you) are so mad at them and hate them that you can't stand the thought of them making it to final 3. And that's perfectly okay. There are lots of seasons where I've felt the exact same way about other players! I'm just not feeling the hate yet for these two that everyone else is. Jason maybe. Scott not yet. Tai no way. Poor Joe. I really wanted him to go far at the beginning of this season. But even for being an former FBI agent he doesn't seem to have a clue as to what's going on half of the time. Gotta agree with you on that Bc2ca. Debbie in MD. Oh no, I CAN see them making it to the final 3. But I can't see them winning. The hiding the stuff probably was a calculated, crappy 'game' move. Scott pouting the water in the fire was a fit of anger. Convincing Tai to do it too was calculating move. However being loud, rude and in your face while talking to people and at tribal council isn't a calculated game move. It's just asshattery. And that's the problem. They won't have a leg to stand on at final tribal trying to sell their behavior as strategic game play with the craptastic WAY they are delivering it. And if past seasons are any indication, they've sealed their fate. Thing is they'll bring one of them to the end but that's it, they've sealed their fate. I doubt they can win. Maybe Tai X souls convice everyone it was game play. Because he isn't being so in your face about it. |
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Post by imsirius on Apr 16, 2016 0:43:36 GMT
I lol'd when I saw this
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Scot and Jason wanted to be Russell Hantz. Turned out they were Brandon Hantz.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 16, 2016 0:51:50 GMT
I lol'd when I saw this Stephen Fishbach @stephenfishbach Scot and Jason wanted to be Russell Hantz. Turned out they were Brandon Hantz. Ha ha |
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Post by jenjie on Apr 16, 2016 2:31:12 GMT
The one thing I'll say about Joe, I think he was pretty smart to skip the challenge. He was probably thinking he would be expected to go with the guys and he sidestepped the issue altogether by sitting out.
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Post by oaksong on Apr 16, 2016 2:38:30 GMT
Nick saying Debbie should be voted out of Ponderosa literally made me LOL.
I'm in the dislike camp for the mean boys, and I'm sad that Tai joined that club. The hope is that he breaks ranks out of remorse and helps the others with a blindside.
I hope the rest of the season is interesting, and not just watching Jason and Scot pick everyone off one by one. Not sure if I like the combined idol thing. It's too much power when held by a group. Those guys just got lucky and now they control the game, maybe to the end.
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Post by stampinchick on Apr 16, 2016 3:35:32 GMT
Until I watched the Ponderosa clip I had no idea Debbie lives in the county next to mine. Usually we hear about locals that will be on tv shows so I'm surprised I didn't hear about her before the show started. I found this article from 2010 and there is a photo of her. She looked a lot different in the photo. She mentions having a good shot at being on Survivor so looks like she had tried for years to get on the show. Reading Eagle newspaper articleI might have to go eat at Red Lobster to see if Debbie might be my waitress. |
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Post by Miss Ang on Apr 16, 2016 13:22:00 GMT
Just watched Ponderosa. "Bottom line. We want to vote Debbie out of Ponderosa."  I would too. That woman is windyyyyyy. I'm sure she is very nice but she is exhausting.  Mean boys club=  I didn't like the Scot and Jason before but after this episode sealed the deal. Tai wasn't my favorite and I just felt like his extreme kindness wasn't genuine. His actions on this episode certainly proved that he was not quite as genuine as he pretended to be.  |
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Post by imsirius on Apr 16, 2016 14:38:25 GMT
I always find though, the mean ones tend to screw themselves and go home. Except for Russell Hantz...he just lost twice in the finale. Two tribals and only 2 votes total LOL!!!
I don't think Tai really wants to be like that but he feels he has no choice. The minute he turns on Scott, he knows he's toast. He said he didn't like Jason in an earlier episode, so maybe he feels trapped? Either way, he has an idol and he should know that he is safe even if he does turn against them.
I was not impressed with him at all. Was quite surprised he went the evil route but strange things happen out there when you are not in total control over your own game at times.
I really hope that Scott and Jason eat their words and they go to the jury soon.
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Post by Leone on Apr 16, 2016 14:59:38 GMT
I finally got around to watching it last night. DH sided with all of the haters of the mean guys. But I found them entertaining. I actually liked their revenge antics. And Tai's confusion regarding his moral compass is endearing but game playing also, the girls were real dumb to get rid of Debbie...Ill miss her. I loved the idol drama at the end. I think it was a fun episode.
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Dalton's recap is right on, especially regarding Scott's putting the water on the fire. He did that out of pure pettiness and anger that the girls figured a way to get the coconut's open and weren't crumbling without the machete & axe. His assessment of Julia is also excellent. It's fine to work multiple alliances, but it was kind of head shaking how obvious she was about it.
I would too. That woman is windyyyyyy. I'm sure she is very nice but she is exhausting. 
I didn't like the Scot and Jason before but after this episode sealed the deal. Tai wasn't my favorite and I just felt like his extreme kindness wasn't genuine. His actions on this episode certainly proved that he was not quite as genuine as he pretended to be. 
