nyandnc
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Post by nyandnc on Apr 15, 2016 17:50:18 GMT
There are many many colleges that do not offer scholarships - all division III schools for sure. These schools field teams in all sports so obviously kids will play college sports without reimbursements. Even the elite division I schools have many on their football squads who have little or no money in athletic scholarships.
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Post by maryland on Apr 15, 2016 18:08:52 GMT
Some pro sports will not let someone play straight out of high school. As a result, the person would still need to play in college. I hate that athletes get full ride scholarships when they can barely spell their own name and add 2+2. They go to school for free for a couple of years until they can enter the draft, then quit school and never complete their education. At the same time, there are kids who want an education and have to work their butts off to pay their own way through school. I agree! My college was supposed to have one of the best men's basketball teams in the country this past year. Well, they didn't finish top 5 as expected, but finished top 20. Now three players are leaving school to declare for the draft. One just left last week and he was just a freshman. He is training at a camp in Florida. I think they should pay the school back if they leave early. But they would probably argue that they brought in more money than they would have paid for tuition. Maybe if they are in-state, but it would be hard to believe if they were out of state. Just my thoughts, I have nothing to back it up!
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Post by missmiss on Apr 15, 2016 18:28:41 GMT
Some pro sports will not let someone play straight out of high school. As a result, the person would still need to play in college. I hate that athletes get full ride scholarships when they can barely spell their own name and add 2+2. They go to school for free for a couple of years until they can enter the draft, then quit school and never complete their education. At the same time, there are kids who want an education and have to work their butts off to pay their own way through school. I agree! My college was supposed to have one of the best men's basketball teams in the country this past year. Well, they didn't finish top 5 as expected, but finished top 20. Now three players are leaving school to declare for the draft. One just left last week and he was just a freshman. He is training at a camp in Florida. I think they should pay the school back if they leave early. But they would probably argue that they brought in more money than they would have paid for tuition. Maybe if they are in-state, but it would be hard to believe if they were out of state. Just my thoughts, I have nothing to back it up! They signed a contract that stated they will receive a percentage of the tuition every year. Since they declared for the draft it would be a safe bet that they received a full ride. Once they declared for the draft that opens up another scholarship for the school to offer another student athlete. If the student athlete does not want to continue their education for free that is on them. Student athletes are like used cars. Schools are trying to buy them for an investment and in turn that student athlete can receive a great education for a discount (or free) for playing a sport. The same can be said for academic scholarships. Schools want the smartest people so they give money to the smartest people. What happens to the student athlete that has to leave college for another reason should they pay back their scholarship?
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Post by maryland on Apr 15, 2016 19:20:51 GMT
I agree! My college was supposed to have one of the best men's basketball teams in the country this past year. Well, they didn't finish top 5 as expected, but finished top 20. Now three players are leaving school to declare for the draft. One just left last week and he was just a freshman. He is training at a camp in Florida. I think they should pay the school back if they leave early. But they would probably argue that they brought in more money than they would have paid for tuition. Maybe if they are in-state, but it would be hard to believe if they were out of state. Just my thoughts, I have nothing to back it up! They signed a contract that stated they will receive a percentage of the tuition every year. Since they declared for the draft it would be a safe bet that they received a full ride. Once they declared for the draft that opens up another scholarship for the school to offer another student athlete. If the student athlete does not want to continue their education for free that is on them. Student athletes are like used cars. Schools are trying to buy them for an investment and in turn that student athlete can receive a great education for a discount (or free) for playing a sport. The same can be said for academic scholarships. Schools want the smartest people so they give money to the smartest people. What happens to the student athlete that has to leave college for another reason should they pay back their scholarship? Sorry, guess I was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 19:34:32 GMT
No I don't agree with your friend. Those who scout for the talent know what it takes to get into the big leagues and it is not all about high school play. Given the recent issues with Jonny Manziel, I think scouts, team owners, coaches and managers are going to start looking harder for the "whole package"---manziel's high school and college talent wasn't enough to keep him playing in the NFL. He lacked the experience and maturity that comes with age to actually perform in the big boys game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There have always been great talents that threw it away. Ryan Leaf comes immediately to mind, but there are many others. Nothing's going to change because of Manziel.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 15, 2016 19:36:49 GMT
Not saying you are wrong. Football and Basketball are really the only two that this pertains too (okay maybe baseball and hockey). All the other sports barely get scholarships. For a swim team they get 10 scholarships for the boys that they have to split up between all the team. Generally speaking teams are made up of at least 24 swimmers and 2 divers. Girls get more scholarships because of Title 9. Generally speaking the smaller sports have a lot higher graduation rate than Football and Basketball.
Colleges like the other sports because they do have a higher graduation rate than the major 2. Where my son will be going the graduation rate for his swim team they have mandatory 10 hours a week of study tables they have to go to. This is on top of the 20+ hours a week of swim practice they have to do. They also volunteer around the community throughout the year. So these swimmers are close to working (being part of the team) 30+ hours a week to keep that scholarship plus keeping up their grades. With that they travel quite a bit.
Now they are provided free one on one tutoring, group tutoring, free printing, a mentor to help them set up a schedule for their day, a counselor that deals with athletes only (on top of the school one), free breakfast Mon-Fri, free sports tickets, Free snacks in the weight room, their own little hang out area, and so forth. There are MANY perks which I was in awe of. This was able to be provided to them because of the Football and Basketball team's revenue. Smaller schools can't do what some of the bigger schools do.
Is it right? No idea but being good at something does have its perks. More money is spent on academics but some colleges do love their sports teams enough to recruit people who should not be going to college.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 20:25:58 GMT
I don't know. My niece graduated from from a D1 school on a full ride swimming scholarship. She graduated with honors with a double degree in math and biochemistry. She's pretty bright and very talented. I'm glad she took advantage of her opportunity to get a good education.
I know the ivies do not give athletic scholarships, but it sure gives you a leg up in the application process to be a top level athlete.
I wish music and engineering students were recruited like that. That's something I would really support.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Apr 15, 2016 22:27:53 GMT
MOST of the athletes playing sports in college do not receive athletic scholarships. And there are very few full ride scholarships available. The number of scholarships and the amount each school can spend on scholarships, depends on the sport, the division, etc.
ETA: For example, NCAA Division I Men's lacrosse is allowed 12.5 scholarships per university that have a team. If the roster has 40 - 50 players, it is unlikely anyone will get a full-ride scholarship. Instead, the players will get what is known as "equivalency" scholarships, meaning the available scholarship funds are divided up between the number of players on the team.
DII is less than D1. DIII gets ZERO athletic scholarship dollars.
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raindancer
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Post by raindancer on Apr 15, 2016 23:15:59 GMT
By all means, let's base educational policy and funding decisions on how they may affect athletic programs ... That would be so weird! What an odd thing to say. /sarcasm
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raindancer
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Post by raindancer on Apr 15, 2016 23:18:42 GMT
Maybe? I know many of the soccer crazy parents in this town start their kids as early as possible so they will rear high school soccer stars. I also know the climate of athletics versus academics in our high school. My son is on the debate team (just won a position to compete at state) and the robotics team, and neither one gets school funding. The sports do, though. They get bus transportation and uniforms and recognition. The debate kids have to drive themselves to competitions. I'm not a super fan of sports culture, so I admit most of my commentary will reflect that. Have you gone to a school board meeting and brought this to their attention. I know at our school board meetings the public is allowed 3 minutes to speak to the board. Those are great programs that the school should fund as well. haha. When I was on the high school track team and the debate and the academic team, the only team that was even moderately funded was track. And we had to go on "strike" to get new warm ups and some other gear we needed (like duffles to carry stuff for the team...batons, discs, etc.) The other two things? We funded ourselves through fundraisers. The football team though? They were set up. We couldn't get a bus to half our academic events, but the basketball team took a coach to the state tournament.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Apr 16, 2016 1:50:01 GMT
That hundred grand likely includes the cost of facilities and depreciation in the budget, so the schools aren't putting out that much cash per athlete per year. It also only includes the total expenses per student without any consideration of the income per student. At my university, our athletic deparent is almost 100% self-funded. We had a couple of years lately where we were a bit in the red because of a Big East buyout to join the Big Twelve and a lower portion of our Big Twelve money since we only received a partial share that graduated to a full share ( I think we are now getting a full share). We do have a small subsidy financed by student fees, but students do not pay admission for any athletic events held by the university, and they get to purchase discounted tickets for conference tournaments. Students who take classes in buildings operated by the athletic department may have to pay a small facilities fee per credit hour, but I think that is just a cost-accounting thing because of the athletic department's budget being independent of the university. I'm not sure of the athletic portion of a students' fees, but it is not unreasonable. What benefit do students get from the fees if they don't want to attend games? Greater alumni support, for one. Many fundraising campaigns for the academic side are held in conjunction with high-profile athletic events. The school also gets more visibility which definitely helps with recruiting. More students = more $ = enough funding to support academic programs. Face it, athletics has always been a big part of the college experience in the U.S., and these programs help keep alumni connected to the school. It might not be "right" that sports programs get more attention than academic programs, but until you can get alumni to pay to watch a robotics competition, or when you can get ESPN or FOX Sports to pony up hundreds of millions for conference TV rights to broadcast the debate team, sports will continue to be the most visible PR a college can get with the general public.
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M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on Apr 16, 2016 2:39:40 GMT
I do believe that sports is put on a pedestal in a lot of universities--I'm in Raleigh, NC, with NC State (go Wolfpack!), UNC-Chapel Hill, Duke, and I went to school in SC where everyone either cheered for Clemson (go tigers) or USC Gamecocks. The college sports are like a religion for a lot of people.
I do wish that teachers, nurses, etc. got paid better than sports players and it was easier for kids to go to college without hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to be a physician or in the STEM field or go to grad school or get your doctorate.
I am so thankful that my parents could afford to send me to college at a fine arts school. I don't use my degree to earn money, but I use what I learned every day. I took all the classes I could (once you pay for a full load--taking 17 or 21 credits (yep, I was that geek) didn't cost extra. I took classes because I liked the subject--like aviation (before my heart problem grounded me for good--you can't know too much about flying or weather--the other girl in my class just finished her 737 training after years of flying corporate jets--she flew all over and married a pilot--I lived vicariously through her.) Not sure that I'd think that if it cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I did go back to art school on my own dime to finish my degree--I had 11 credit hours left and wanted more interior design classes)
My dh's cousin's son just turned 16 and is an amazing basketball player. He's 6'7" and has been 6 foot since he was 12. Dh's cousin has been through so much. Her husband was a youth pastor and was sent to prison for child molestation and child porn (thankfully he pled guilty--still in federal pen), so she raised both her boys by herself. Her parents weren't able to help her financially, and she wasn't planning on working for a living although she did graduate from college--I think with a degree in Biblical counseling/psych although she doesn't work in that field. (hard to make money that way)
This boy and his younger brother are both amazingly smart and dedicated. They worked their asses off and got into a magnet school. The 16 year old had college scouts looking at him in junior high.
He wants to go to UNC-Chapel Hill. I have no doubt he will if that's where he decides to go. His family couldn't afford to send him and his brother to college any other way. He's also in the STEM classes and robotics team and has won awards with his school.
The sports world needs more kind, well behaved young men who respect women. I hope this young man and his brother achieve all their goals. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't go pro, but he'll get his education, too. His mom and family really deserves something great like that to happen. She's so awesome and a great mother, so upbeat and caring about others. She had moved home to Greenville, SC, so her family could help her, but the stigma and gossip was so bad, she left and moved back to NC where she had lived before and she had friends and a good support system. That's just sad.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 16, 2016 2:43:53 GMT
My DD has a volleyball scholarship. If college were free, she would still play because she loves the sport and she's damn good at it. Having it pay for school is an added bonus.
We do not agree with your "friend".
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Post by *leslie* on Apr 16, 2016 3:02:39 GMT
There are many many colleges that do not offer scholarships - all division III schools for sure. These schools field teams in all sports so obviously kids will play college sports without reimbursements. Even the elite division I schools have many on their football squads who have little or no money in athletic scholarships. My friend's daughter plays tennis for a division III school. They recruited her but they couldn't offer a scholarship. She's playing because she loves to play.
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