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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 17, 2016 22:24:10 GMT
So what did everyone think? I was sort of disappointed in "the dress". I wanted it to be longer, with like a train.
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Post by Sassenach on Apr 17, 2016 22:27:40 GMT
I was surprised at the length of the red dress too. I guess Terry Dresbech wanted to make sure we saw the red strappy shoes.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 17, 2016 22:32:50 GMT
I did think the RED was the perfect red though!
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Post by JustTricia on Apr 17, 2016 22:55:47 GMT
I didn't really care for this episode. Granted, I'm only halfway through this book, but it seems like they took lots of things that happened in different parts of the book and put them here, especially the big revelation at the end of the episode. That happens much later and in a completely different way in the book. I prefer how it happened in the book.
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Post by Merge on Apr 17, 2016 23:05:12 GMT
I have to admit, though the series is visually beautiful, I'm often disappointed in the dialogue. While I wouldn't pretend that Outlander is fine literature, Diana Gabaldon has always worked very hard to make the dialogue true to the characters and their place and time. I keep noticing little anachronisms in the dialogue that are jarring, and a lot of it is just stilted and flat compared to what was in the book.
I also didn't like that they changed Jamie's reaction to Claire getting waxed. His original reaction was much funnier and more true to character.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 17, 2016 23:13:07 GMT
I think DG's claim to fame in her books isn't her dialogue, but her descriptions. I'm ok with them jumping around, as long as they have the stuff in the book IN the series.
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Post by dazeepetals on Apr 18, 2016 2:03:44 GMT
I thought this episode was probably one of my favorites since the back half of season 1.
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Post by chaosisapony on Apr 18, 2016 2:07:21 GMT
Thought this one was boring too.  I think I'm setting myself up for disappointment because I didn't like Dragonfly in Amber and I know this season is that book, so maybe I'm not giving it a fair shot? |
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Post by jackietex on Apr 18, 2016 2:23:54 GMT
I really enjoyed it! I read a blog about it today and I agreed with the author that it takes 3 viewings to fully appreciate each episode (we're very devoted fans!  ), than she can enjoy each one for itself. I did hear on Twitter that Terry D. raised the hem of the red dress a little to make it more accurate (not to drag through sewage outside), but that was disappointed by how high it was too. I was disappointed at first by Jamie's reaction to the bare honeypot, too, but someone on Facebook argued that it actually was realistic to his character to enjoy the new sexual experience...I thought that sounded reasonable. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 18, 2016 2:30:27 GMT
I can't remember, in DFIA did Jamie get mad at her she she waxed?
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Post by momx1 on Apr 18, 2016 3:58:18 GMT
Cindyupnorth, in the book she waxes her legs and "oxers" but tells Jamie about Louise doing her "mound". He gets more upset about the floral smell she has on from the waxing treatment than the waxing itself.
I hope I'm remembering that correctly...
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Post by cakediva on Apr 18, 2016 12:04:57 GMT
We get the episode on Sunday up here - so I just watched last night.
It was a good episode - they certainly crammed a lot of info and chapters into one episode! We had a few chuckles during the show as well.
I was hoping the Randall brother would look way more like Black Jack/Frank - in the books Jamie mistakes him for Randall, and it is he who goes to draw his sword at the sight of him (not Murtagh at Sandringham).
Loved that they showed the mistress of the King and her outrageous "outfit"!!
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Post by Scrapbrat on Apr 18, 2016 12:24:15 GMT
Cindyupnorth, in the book she waxes her legs and "oxers" but tells Jamie about Louise doing her "mound". He gets more upset about the floral smell she has on from the waxing treatment than the waxing itself. I hope I'm remembering that correctly... Yeah, they changed the waxing scene, but in a way, they had to. In the book, she goes to Jamie and explains that she's had her legs and pits waxed. Well, this is TV and if you've observed any of the scenes with lots of Claire's skin, there has not been a hair on her legs or pits through the whole show! Which is fine, I don't think viewers REALLY want to see her in the hairy glory that would be historically accurate. So Jamie couldn't really get upset that she'd had legs or pits waxed. I thought her having her "honeypot" waxed made for a more dramatic scene for TV and made sense given what I noted above.
And about the length of the red dress -- I actually didn't even notice, but I guess there have been lots of comments online over the weekend about it. Terry (costumer) said that they made the dresses a little shorter when they are filming indoor scenes, but that the camera angles in a couple of the scenes from this episode made the dress look REALLY short. She said she knew when she saw the filmed scenes that people would be upset.
Overall, I loved the episode and I think they're doing a great job with season 2. I actually think their time in France is turning out better than in the book -- when you're reading, it's hard to really visualize some of these fantastic details that DG includes, like the swan gown and the ball at Versailles. Seeing it on screen has just brought it to life for me.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 18, 2016 12:29:53 GMT
I can't remember, in DFIA did Jamie get mad at her she she waxed? In the book, he had issues with the lavender oil that was used. As part of the hideous rape episode, Black Jack liberally used lavender oils to ... err ... facilitate the rape. Jamie has a violent reaction to the smell based on flashbacks to that time. |
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Post by Scrapbrat on Apr 18, 2016 12:41:52 GMT
I can't remember, in DFIA did Jamie get mad at her she she waxed? In the book, he had issues with the lavender oil that was used. As part of the hideous rape episode, Black Jack liberally used lavender oils to ... err ... facilitate the rape. Jamie has a violent reaction to the smell based on flashbacks to that time. It was more than that, though. After she gets the smell off, he is also upset that she had had her legs and armpits waxed. When he asks why she would do such a thing, she says something like, I felt like an ape with hairy legs, and he interprets that as, she's calling him an ape because HIS legs are hairy. She tries to explain that it's different for a woman, but Jamie doesn't get it -- he has the attitude that you don't need to mess with the way nature made you. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Apr 18, 2016 14:21:44 GMT
I'm enjoying the series, I loved last night's episode! So much eye candy and lush scenes..wow.
I am also glad at this point I never read the books. I have no idea what to expect or what has changed, so I"m enjoying the show as it is presented to me, rather than comparing.
These threads are great to read after though! I can't wait for the next episode..
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Post by cindyupnorth on Apr 18, 2016 17:26:57 GMT
Well, I am glad I'm not the ONLY one that didn't like or noticed the length. It just made the dress not as WOW!! due to the shortness of it. She looked like a schoolkid, vs a sexy thing. ha
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Post by lily on Apr 20, 2016 20:14:37 GMT
Did not read ANY of the books, and have to say, DH and I were dying laughing at the whole 'honeypot' part of the show. We found it hilarious.
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Post by finaledition on Apr 20, 2016 21:13:13 GMT
I was forced to watch the episode on a buffering iPad as I was out of town so I finally go to watch for the second time in HD (I agree that 3 watchings is necessary). I liked it much more the second time as I have to say I'm still shaking my head over the costumes. The people in the park, the people in Versailles, the people on the way to Master Raymond's-the sheer number of costumes is mind boggling.
Also, the other highlight for me was the introduction of the new characters-not the actual storyline, but the casting. Unbelievably spot on. Come on, they could not have found a person who more closely resembled BJ Randall to play Alexander!
Also, they are moving quickly this season. This felt like another episode that they were setting up multiple storylines which is fine, but seriously why would they make this season 3 episodes shorter?
I liked the honey pot scene only because I'm missing Jamie and Claire-not intimate scenes-but just the two of them together so I'll take whatever they put on the screen.
Everyone knows that the "1745" is incorrect, it's 1744? Maril Davis tweeted that they made a mistake. Oops.
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Post by finaledition on Apr 23, 2016 15:43:40 GMT
I'll wait for the episode 3 to write more, but I watched it last night and if you are a book reader (and I suspect if you are not) you will really love this episode. I suppose the pace slows a bit, but the writer of episode 3 is Ann Kenny and she wrote some of my favorites in season 1 There are some wonderful scenes in episode 3!
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Post by dazeepetals on Apr 23, 2016 18:23:26 GMT
I'll wait for the episode 3 to write more, but I watched it last night and if you are a book reader (and I suspect if you are not) you will really love this episode. I suppose the pace slows a bit, but the writer of episode 3 is Ann Kenny and she wrote some of my favorites in season 1 There are some wonderful scenes in episode 3! Ann Kenny has written some of my favorite episodes also so I'm excited for tonight!!! |
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I think I'm setting myself up for disappointment because I didn't like Dragonfly in Amber and I know this season is that book, so maybe I'm not giving it a fair shot?
), than she can enjoy each one for itself. I did hear on Twitter that Terry D. raised the hem of the red dress a little to make it more accurate (not to drag through sewage outside), but that was disappointed by how high it was too. I was disappointed at first by Jamie's reaction to the bare honeypot, too, but someone on Facebook argued that it actually was realistic to his character to enjoy the new sexual experience...I thought that sounded reasonable.
