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Post by betsyg on Apr 18, 2016 19:49:46 GMT
Since my divorce (3 years ago) and my recent remarriage, I'm really struggling with the loss of expectations and what could have/should have been. I adore my new husband, and he is exactly what I need, however, my 16.5 year old twins, aren't as crazy about him. My daughter and he are fine, but my son moved with his father full time, and I've lost seeing him daily. I try to tell myself, that he is working, busy with school and friends/girlfriends, and that I'm sure his dad isn't seeing him that much either. It is likely that my job is going to move me to another city next summer (I've told them I can't go until after my kids graduate). And, I'm already worried about my kids choosing to come home to their home town (their Dad's) instead of my house for holidays or the summers. I'm just struggling to accept that things aren't nor are they going to be the way I had envisioned they would be. When I talked to my counselor, she identified this as the experiences of grief/loss. I've tried finding books to help me deal with this, but everything around grief/loss is around death. Do you have any recommendations for any reading material or facebook/online groups that might help me deal with the grief around the loss of expectations.
On a side note, I'm possibly dealing with some parental alienation syndrome, and I would definitely consider my XH to be covertly aggressive. Somehow, my kids hold me to a much higher standard than they do their father. What he can/does get away with, somehow he has the kids convinced that I'm wrong if I do the same thing. At some point, I believe my kids will see all that I have done and do for them, but for now, I'm not given any grace. That has really shaken my identity and confidence to the core. My DH says that we need to find a way for me to get my self-confidence with parenting back so that my kids can't manipulate me like teenagers who know their parents weaknesses do. I'm going to work with my counselor on this revelation.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 18, 2016 19:59:17 GMT
I'm sorry for what you are going through. I understand your frustration in trying to find the right book about grief and loss. I have 2 kids that have issues and a teen boy with different issues and it's hard to deal with what could they have been if.... I've had a really hard time knowing they won't ever be "normal" and knowing how to deal with being their caregiver. Another book that's hard to find; caregivers for kids, not senior citizens. Teen boys are hard I have a 16.5 year old too.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 18, 2016 20:06:21 GMT
I don't have any advice, but wanted to send ((hugs)). Even though you are struggling with different emotions and issues, I admire that you seem very articulate on identifying what those are and actively seeking ways to help yourself through it. I hope you find something that helps and it gets better for you. Parenting is hard enough without extra curveballs. ((hugs))
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 18, 2016 20:12:39 GMT
It sounds like you are on the right track with your therapist. In my experience, kids are often more demanding of their mother. A counselor once told me it's because we are safe - they know we will never reject them. My DS and DIL are divorced and my son is the "fun" parent. My DIL has to do all the hard work. It's not fair, but I remind her the kids will come to see this one day.
I think many of us have those same "what could have been" moments. For me, it's what my life would have been if DH didn't have cancer. We could have spent the last 9 years better off financially, traveling, spending more time with our grandchildren, etc. Some days it's hard not to be bitter - so I understand your feelings, even if they are for different reasons.
Don't be too hard on yourself.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 18, 2016 20:16:37 GMT
I can give you my perspective from my experience.
First, I had to let go of caring what people thought of me. my ex told many lies as a way to try to manipulate me and the kids. I had to teach myself not to care that the former neighbors, or the kids, or his relatives, had the wrong information. I felt those who truly knew me would eventually realize the truth. My kids at first didn't know what to believe, but over time they understood. On their own.
Your kids are at an age where their friends (not their parents) are most important. Don't let yourself imagine their behavior is different towards him. My kids don't even remember a lot of what happened to me at that time because they were thinking about friendships. That's a good thing. I think once you truly accept that, you will feel much calmer.
Focus on your new husband and enjoy that relationship fully. Kids will be out and on their own very soon and all of us -married or divorced- deal with the issue of that life change. Best wishes to you!!
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Post by DEX on Apr 18, 2016 20:20:51 GMT
I get it. BTDT. My son is in his mid 30's and we separated when he was 7. X remarried immediately and I remarried 10 years after. Son was a Sr. In H.S.
We shared 50-50 custody and my son told me he had a clear preference to where he wanted to live. I never asked him to make a choice though because I was sure he wouldn't pick me. His dad was affluent and had a lot of advantages I didn't. Come to find out he would have chosen me.
Moral of the story: just do your best and live your true life. Love your kids and show them. Engage with them. Encourage your kids to come to talk about anything. My X still doesn't know my son got a DWI when he was 21. There is a lot I found out X doesn't know.
There is always going to be a great deal of regret no matter what. Just hold your head high, love your kids and it will all work out in the end. Don't focus on your X. Focus on your kids and yourself.
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Post by papersilly on Apr 18, 2016 20:23:40 GMT
waxing over what might have been is pointless because what might have been will never be. things are different because you and your life are different. it may not be better or worse, it's just different. you have moved on and remarried. your children are getting older. there is a new member in the family. stop thinking about what might have been and feel good about what could BE.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 20:24:52 GMT
I agree with what has been posted already. Please don't be hard on yourself. Kids are kids...they have kid brains...they make kid decisions.....trust me from a been there done that perspective that they see the difference between mom and "fun" dad.
I have two sons from my first marriage. My oldest says he doesn't know where he would be with me and he is 34. He loves my hubby (not his biological father) and tells everyone that my DH is his dad.... My second oldest thinks the sun rises and sets on my scummy ex....I don't defend myself to his allegations (coming straight from his biological father's mouth)...I haven't spoken to him in almost 8 years. People ask how I can do that....its because I choose to focus on the people who WANT to be in my life not those who CHOOSE not to. I promise it does get easier.
My current husband and I have two children together and they are all treated equally and always have been. My DH has been in my oldest son's life since he was 5. I have no nice words for my ex...
Hang in there..it will get better.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 18, 2016 20:36:09 GMT
I don't have any book recommendations or wise advice, but for me it's helpful to remember that even what could have been isn't necessarily what might have actually happened if all things continued. Even if you had not divorced, even if you stay in your hometown...things still might not go as you thought they might. Things hardly ever do. We just have to move forward from where we are the best we can and do the next right thing. Hopefully that influences what happens next (kids spending time with you, etc.).
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Post by alissa103 on Apr 19, 2016 3:59:05 GMT
Hugs! Although I'm not in the same situation, I do identify with the grief and dealing with it. I have a kid with some special needs that didn't become clear until this past year. I have definitely grieved. But I also try to focus on the good stuff and not compare him or our life to those of his peers. I think that advice could be applied to your situation as well. And as with a death, the grieving takes time. I think it has just been in the last few months that I'm feeling ok with things. It does help when I share my feelings with DH. I'd continue to talk with him and also your counselor.
Also another online friend posted this and it really hit home for me. Definitely helps with the "what could have been" feelings and even though it's supposed to be about a kid with special needs, I think the overall message is applicable in your case as well. Hope it helps.
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Welcome to Holland
I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability – to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this…
When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip – to Italy. You buy a bunch of guidebooks and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum, the Michelangelo David, the gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting.
After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland."
"Holland?!" you say. "What do you mean, Holland?" I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy.
But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay.
The important thing is that they haven't taken you to some horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place.
So you must go out and buy a new guidebook. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met.
It's just a different place. It's slower paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around, and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills, Holland has tulips, Holland even has Rembrandts.
But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy, and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life you will say, "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned."
The pain of that will never, ever, go away, because the loss of that dream is a very significant loss.
But if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things about Holland.
Written by Emily Perl Kingsley
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Apr 19, 2016 5:06:29 GMT
I am sorry for what you are going through I don't have any advice but I do think your kids are doing what a lot of kids do. They get at a point in their life where peers are more important then family.
I am dealing with the loss of what I thought my marriage and family would be.
My 2 older sons have no relationship with me or their dad. Things started going south when they were in their late teens. They have told us we were terrible parents and have no good memories of their childhood. That was extremely difficult to hear. Our 18 yr old basically just lives here he never talks to us unless he needs something and only does his chores if we press him to do them.
It saddens me tremendously that 3 of my 4 kids have such crappy relationships with us. Do I have some fault in it sure but I am not the demon they have portrayed me as and have trashed me on FB about.
I have been doing albums for each of them and I get sad looking at all the photos of things we did as a family. I never had any of that as a kid and tried to do all the things my mom didn't but even that wasn't enough.
I had visions of holidays spent with my boys their so and grandkids and all those other things but that isn't going to happen.
We have been married 26 yrs and we don't have much in common. There is no intimacy and hasn't been for a long time. We are friends but I miss just being able to kiss or cuddle. I certainly didn't think my marriage and family life would be like they are.
We live in a rural area so ppl are constantly asking about our kids and I get uncomfortable when asked and I have started to just speak the truth.
I look at my life and think it was all just a big waste and think I probably should never have had kids and I feel awful for thinking that but it's like I dedicated half my life to a family that no longer exists.
I hope you can find some answers here. Try not to be too hard on yourself.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Apr 19, 2016 13:15:57 GMT
This is a great topic and the information you're being given is great too. I think we can all go down the what could have been road. I know for me my marriage isn't anything I would have envisioned, the kids are almost grown and I would have envisioned some travel and doing couple things. Instead my marriage is pretty much going down the tubes and he isn't invested in fixing it. Instead of a secure life and doing things together, I feel i'm looking at a life of struggling to make ends meet on my own, with grown kids spending holidays feeling guilty about Dad's situation (he's the eternal victim so he'll make them feel guilty.) I really feel for you in relation to the kids, there is nothing more difficult than thinking of what could have/should have been in relation to them. I've had some difficult issues in parenting and the one thing I will say is continuing to be their Mom, be who you've always been. My husband doesn't do much parenting, i'm always the "bad guy" in the parenting dept. But you know what at the end of the day, they respect me for it. My almost 26 yo starting dating someone new and one day he said to her "you're really close to your mom, you talk about her a lot." This girl was a bit of a nightmare in her late teens!! So your kids are likely doing what is normal for their age and not reacting to your situation. Think you shouldn't be too hard on yourself. Continue to parent them as you would, continue to be the person you are. Enjoy your new marriage Life isn't always what we thought it would be. ((HUGS))
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Post by anniebeth24 on Apr 19, 2016 13:45:59 GMT
Welcome to Holland I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability – to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this… When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip – to Italy. You buy a bunch of guidebooks and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum, the Michelangelo David, the gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting. After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland." "Holland?!" you say. "What do you mean, Holland?" I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy. But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay. I've seen this same story relating to the experience of having children through adoption. Great perspective.
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Post by caro on Apr 19, 2016 13:47:24 GMT
Grief is not just for the loss of a person, it is loss. Loss of what could, should, would have been if life had turned out what we perceived it to be. There are new normals all the time, at least there have been for me. I am learning to let go and find joy in my life as it is today. I am choosing to look at the blessings I have, not what I thought I should have. It's a daily process.
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Post by betsyg on Apr 19, 2016 14:18:04 GMT
Thank you ladies. My heart is just so sad that I'm having a hard time getting to my wise mind which would tell me all of those things that you've said. I struggle with shame and perfection. I've worked hard to counter this my counselor, through Brene Brown studies, trying to live by Kelly Rae Roberts quotes. And, I thought I was getting there, but it's two steps forward, one step back. It sounds like I just need to work the experiences of grief and be present with them rather than fighting them or trying to move through them too quickly.
I do like the Holland poem - I have seen that before. On top of the normal crap of divorce, remarriage, etc, my daughter struggles with mental illness and has been and out of treatments for the past 16 months (eating disorder, acute, residential center). I have been in the trenches with her through this (not the enemy). I think the straw that broke the camels back in the past couple of weeks was when she said she needed to start back at Dad's house when she transitions home in June, because my step-daughter (21) and her baby (14 months) are staying with us while her husband is completing his AIT training for the Air Force and they PCS in July, because it's "too stressful" at my house. It just hit me in the gut to not have either kid choosing to live with me. I call their dad covertly aggressive because while he doesn't put me down in front of the kids in an overt way, he has always said things like "you know your mom...she always has to be right" and with my new husband it has been "I don't really know him, but he should be (fill in the blanks with however he would do it)". So, the perceptions my kids have of me and my new husband are just not accurate. And, we all know that perception is reality. So, I feel like I have to wait until they can think for themselves, and be out from under those comments so that they can see how we are for themselves. I just don't know how long I'll have to wait and what irrepairable damage has done. And, honestly, one of my biggest fears in life is not having a good relationship with my kids. My heart breaks for those who have said you don't. My new husband and I have given up on any idea of blending families (5 kids too close in age who would never hang out in the same circles). In fact, we've commented several times that the photo at our wedding may be the only picture we'll ever have of our blended family, but we've committed to having the best relationships we can with each child separately.
I should say that my daughter wants to come back to my house after step-sister (who she actually gets along with great), moves out, so it isn't permanently. Just feeling sorry for myself.
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Post by ilikepink on Apr 19, 2016 17:09:28 GMT
Hugs - it's never easy. I think the odds of divorce/remarriage/blended families working out picture perfect are slim.
I decided years ago to never have any regrets. I do have some wistful moments remembering how things were, and how I envisioned them, but they are moments (holiday season is the worst), and I try and let it pass. I try to be fatalistic - my mantra is "things work out the way they are supposed to". Every experience gives you something to learn from - whether it's a positive lesson or a "I'm never doing that again" lesson. The children are the same - there may be reasons why they want to be closer to dad now - and the life lesson they learn may be that living with dad isn't what its cracked up to be. As for your daughter not returning to your house - she has learned that the stress she thinks there will be with step-daughter and baby in the house is more than she can handle. That's a good lesson for her to have learned.
It's hard, really hard, but look for the blessings in it all - what you/children/husband/family are learning from it all. Moment by moment it really hurts, but try and thing life-long lessons.
Hugs.
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Post by FLA SummerBaby on Apr 19, 2016 19:06:12 GMT
I don't have any advice, but wanted to send ((hugs)). Even though you are struggling with different emotions and issues, I admire that you seem very articulate on identifying what those are and actively seeking ways to help yourself through it. I hope you find something that helps and it gets better for you. Parenting is hard enough without extra curveballs. ((hugs)) Agree with pudgygroundhog! While I did go through the experience of being divorced, becoming a single mom and then remarrying - I have not had the exact experience you have had. But I do understand all too well the "letting go" of what would have been/could have been. Divorce changes everything -- sometimes for the better -- but it still alters the course of your family and their future path. Good luck in working with your counselor and your DH to figure out your next steps.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Apr 19, 2016 19:32:31 GMT
Having lost my husband to cancer almost 13yrs ago when he was only 35 and I was only 29 (and the kids were 11, 9 and 5) I really really try hard to not go down that road of thought. I've never re-married and barely dated, just haven't found anyone worthy of being in the kids and my lives--but don't get me wrong its not like I'm turning down tons either, I really think people assume I am married. but yes I often wonder how different things would be if he were still here if he'd been here all these years. It sets me down a bad path that can be hard to pull myself off of, so I just do what I can to not let those thoughts get started.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 20:00:26 GMT
It's ongoing. DS is now 20. He is Autistic and has a seizure disorder. He is developmentally 10-12. He will not be going to college, did not finish high school and will not live on his own. He can't drive. My friends are all sending their sons and daughters to college and getting "done". Sometimes they lament that their sons and daughters have grown up, flown the coop and have their own lives. It's hard. Have you tried journaling? I have found that writing down the good things really helps me keep them and focus on the good. If you add pictures it's called Scrapbooking but don't tell anyone.
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Post by KiwiJo on Apr 19, 2016 21:06:16 GMT
bestyg: good for you, recognising the problems you are having, and looking for help in overcoming and accepting them.
A very wise person counselled me not to focus too much on the struggles I was having about something in my life - she said that what you focus on, grows. If you focus on the problem, then the problem will seem to get bigger, while if you recognise the problem but actually focus on the good things, then the good things will get bigger.
A quote that I like to remember, says the same sort of thing: If you spend your time working on your weaknesses, all you end up with is a lot of strong weaknesses.
Of course, you have recognise and deal with a problem, but try to spend more time looking at the good things that happen in spite of the problem.
((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))) to you.
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Post by mlana on Apr 19, 2016 21:52:17 GMT
I am dealing with this same emotion, but in a different context.
DH and I are empty nesters, sorta. DD is in her jr year of college and she has spent it in China, so I have a pretty good idea of what life will be like when she moves on with her life. I don't like the life we have - it does not in any way fit the image of what I thought I our life would be like when it was just the 2 of us.
DH's health is not great. He has been diabetic for more than 17 years and for 15 of those years, he did very little to control his sugar. Last year, this neglect took its inevitable toll and he had a series of strokes. He recovered, mostly, and he heeded the wake up call to get his health under control. In all honestly, though, it's pretty much too late. Barring a miraculous recovery, we are looking at him having to go on dialysis within the next 3 years. We are not financially ready for him to retire and I have no income outside of what we make with our company, which is based on him and his skills. Since July 2014, I have lived in a state of fear - I'm afraid to spend a dime, I'm afraid to plan anything, I'm afraid to take my eyes off DH lest he revert back to his old ways. I, who never understood anxiety, was taking Xanax regularly, and spending a lot of time thinking about how I had pictured our golden years.
I did go see a psych and she suggested that if this continues that I consider a long term anxiety med rather than the stop gap use of Xanax. To my surprise, she told me that she thought I was reacting in a normal and acceptable way to the stressors in my life and, as long as I only use the prescribed amount of Xanax, she was ok renewing my prescription. I admit, this made me stop and think more than any therapy could ever have done. I stopped (ok, paused) thinking about how life COULD have been, and tried to see how it IS.
I realized that we are doing ok. I can't predict what will happen tomorrow, but we are preparing for it.
DH and I have slashed our monthly bills, eliminating most non essential expenses and choosing the ones we've kept with great care. We have the most savings we've ever had and we are spending any extra monies on home improvements to maintain and increase the value of our home. We have a plan in place to be out of all debt, except the house, in the next 18 months. We expect to be able to help DD with her student debt as we had always planned to do.
We are both doing everything our drs recommend to stay as healthy as possible, to the point that they regularly tell us they seldom have patients do as well as we are doing with the limitations we have. DH feels so much better now and it is showing in the way our business has picked up. I'm making plans to sharpen my job skills and I may look for an outside job.
I still get anxious when it comes to spending money, but I'm not as panicked as I was. I am going to China in a few days to spend some time with my DD while she is in school there. I wasn't going to do this, but I realized that if I didn't, I would regret it. Not just because I wouldn't have gotten to see China, but because it means a lot to my DD for me to come.
And that's what it comes down to; living with regrets. I have come face to face with the results of many of my decisions and I regret a lot of them. From now on, I am trying to live a life that I won't regret later. I can't change the past and I can't nullify all of its effect on our future, but I can make realistic plans for a good future.
That's all you can do, too. Look at what you have and where you are and build on that.
Your son doesn't live with you, but, given that he's almost 17, he wasn't going to be living with you for much longer anyway. Try to establish some new tradition to keep in touch with him and stay a part of his life. MY son lives across the country and, for a while after he moved, we lost touch with each other. He and DH stayed close, but it killed me to hear everything secondhand. One day he called for some advice in my area of expertise and we went from that call to establishing a new tradition of talking at least once a month. He felt left out, cut off, from the family, so I make sure I keep a list of things that happened since we last spoke and I refer to it when we speak. We send each other videos and funnies on Facebook and they remind both of us how much fun we have had as a family.
With your kids the age they are, you were hovering on the edge of major change anyway. You can't stop it and, really, you wouldn't want to. Change is natural in the parent/child relationship. I expected my son to move away at some point in his life, just maybe not so far or under the circumstances it happened under. I think the thing that helped me the most was looking at it as being the next step in his life, not as a comment on my parenting. It wasn't the step I wanted him to take next, but it was the one he chose. Almost 10 years later, I know it was the right step for him.
Good luck.
Marcy
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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 19, 2016 22:29:11 GMT
I am dealing with this same emotion, but in a different context. DH and I are empty nesters, sorta. DD is in her jr year of college and she has spent it in China, so I have a pretty good idea of what life will be like when she moves on with her life. I don't like the life we have - it does not in any way fit the image of what I thought I our life would be like when it was just the 2 of us. DH's health is not great. He has been diabetic for more than 17 years and for 15 of those years, he did very little to control his sugar. Last year, this neglect took its inevitable toll and he had a series of strokes. He recovered, mostly, and he heeded the wake up call to get his health under control. In all honestly, though, it's pretty much too late. Barring a miraculous recovery, we are looking at him having to go on dialysis within the next 3 years. We are not financially ready for him to retire and I have no income outside of what we make with our company, which is based on him and his skills. Since July 2014, I have lived in a state of fear - I'm afraid to spend a dime, I'm afraid to plan anything, I'm afraid to take my eyes off DH lest he revert back to his old ways. I, who never understood anxiety, was taking Xanax regularly, and spending a lot of time thinking about how I had pictured our golden years. I did go see a psych and she suggested that if this continues that I consider a long term anxiety med rather than the stop gap use of Xanax. To my surprise, she told me that she thought I was reacting in a normal and acceptable way to the stressors in my life and, as long as I only use the prescribed amount of Xanax, she was ok renewing my prescription. I admit, this made me stop and think more than any therapy could ever have done. I stopped (ok, paused) thinking about how life COULD have been, and tried to see how it IS. I realized that we are doing ok. I can't predict what will happen tomorrow, but we are preparing for it. DH and I have slashed our monthly bills, eliminating most non essential expenses and choosing the ones we've kept with great care. We have the most savings we've ever had and we are spending any extra monies on home improvements to maintain and increase the value of our home. We have a plan in place to be out of all debt, except the house, in the next 18 months. We expect to be able to help DD with her student debt as we had always planned to do. We are both doing everything our drs recommend to stay as healthy as possible, to the point that they regularly tell us they seldom have patients do as well as we are doing with the limitations we have. DH feels so much better now and it is showing in the way our business has picked up. I'm making plans to sharpen my job skills and I may look for an outside job. I still get anxious when it comes to spending money, but I'm not as panicked as I was. I am going to China in a few days to spend some time with my DD while she is in school there. I wasn't going to do this, but I realized that if I didn't, I would regret it. Not just because I wouldn't have gotten to see China, but because it means a lot to my DD for me to come. And that's what it comes down to; living with regrets. I have come face to face with the results of many of my decisions and I regret a lot of them. From now on, I am trying to live a life that I won't regret later. I can't change the past and I can't nullify all of its effect on our future, but I can make realistic plans for a good future. That's all you can do, too. Look at what you have and where you are and build on that. Your son doesn't live with you, but, given that he's almost 17, he wasn't going to be living with you for much longer anyway. Try to establish some new tradition to keep in touch with him and stay a part of his life. MY son lives across the country and, for a while after he moved, we lost touch with each other. He and DH stayed close, but it killed me to hear everything secondhand. One day he called for some advice in my area of expertise and we went from that call to establishing a new tradition of talking at least once a month. He felt left out, cut off, from the family, so I make sure I keep a list of things that happened since we last spoke and I refer to it when we speak. We send each other videos and funnies on Facebook and they remind both of us how much fun we have had as a family. With your kids the age they are, you were hovering on the edge of major change anyway. You can't stop it and, really, you wouldn't want to. Change is natural in the parent/child relationship. I expected my son to move away at some point in his life, just maybe not so far or under the circumstances it happened under. I think the thing that helped me the most was looking at it as being the next step in his life, not as a comment on my parenting. It wasn't the step I wanted him to take next, but it was the one he chose. Almost 10 years later, I know it was the right step for him. Good luck. Marcy I'm sorry you're having such a hard time, however... If you already know your husband will have medical issues that will impact your income why aren't you doing something to bring in more income? Also, if you haven't set yourself up to survive without your husbands income why are you paying for your daughter's college? Based on your post you don't have the luxury to not work and also pay for your daughter's college. Parents need to fund their retirement over paying for kid's college.
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mlana
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Post by mlana on Apr 20, 2016 15:20:04 GMT
I am dealing with this same emotion, but in a different context. DH and I are empty nesters, sorta. DD is in her jr year of college and she has spent it in China, so I have a pretty good idea of what life will be like when she moves on with her life. I don't like the life we have - it does not in any way fit the image of what I thought I our life would be like when it was just the 2 of us. DH's health is not great. He has been diabetic for more than 17 years and for 15 of those years, he did very little to control his sugar. Last year, this neglect took its inevitable toll and he had a series of strokes. He recovered, mostly, and he heeded the wake up call to get his health under control. In all honestly, though, it's pretty much too late. Barring a miraculous recovery, we are looking at him having to go on dialysis within the next 3 years. We are not financially ready for him to retire and I have no income outside of what we make with our company, which is based on him and his skills. Since July 2014, I have lived in a state of fear - I'm afraid to spend a dime, I'm afraid to plan anything, I'm afraid to take my eyes off DH lest he revert back to his old ways. I, who never understood anxiety, was taking Xanax regularly, and spending a lot of time thinking about how I had pictured our golden years. I did go see a psych and she suggested that if this continues that I consider a long term anxiety med rather than the stop gap use of Xanax. To my surprise, she told me that she thought I was reacting in a normal and acceptable way to the stressors in my life and, as long as I only use the prescribed amount of Xanax, she was ok renewing my prescription. I admit, this made me stop and think more than any therapy could ever have done. I stopped (ok, paused) thinking about how life COULD have been, and tried to see how it IS. I realized that we are doing ok. I can't predict what will happen tomorrow, but we are preparing for it. DH and I have slashed our monthly bills, eliminating most non essential expenses and choosing the ones we've kept with great care. We have the most savings we've ever had and we are spending any extra monies on home improvements to maintain and increase the value of our home. We have a plan in place to be out of all debt, except the house, in the next 18 months. We expect to be able to help DD with her student debt as we had always planned to do. We are both doing everything our drs recommend to stay as healthy as possible, to the point that they regularly tell us they seldom have patients do as well as we are doing with the limitations we have. DH feels so much better now and it is showing in the way our business has picked up. I'm making plans to sharpen my job skills and I may look for an outside job. I still get anxious when it comes to spending money, but I'm not as panicked as I was. I am going to China in a few days to spend some time with my DD while she is in school there. I wasn't going to do this, but I realized that if I didn't, I would regret it. Not just because I wouldn't have gotten to see China, but because it means a lot to my DD for me to come. And that's what it comes down to; living with regrets. I have come face to face with the results of many of my decisions and I regret a lot of them. From now on, I am trying to live a life that I won't regret later. I can't change the past and I can't nullify all of its effect on our future, but I can make realistic plans for a good future. That's all you can do, too. Look at what you have and where you are and build on that. Your son doesn't live with you, but, given that he's almost 17, he wasn't going to be living with you for much longer anyway. Try to establish some new tradition to keep in touch with him and stay a part of his life. MY son lives across the country and, for a while after he moved, we lost touch with each other. He and DH stayed close, but it killed me to hear everything secondhand. One day he called for some advice in my area of expertise and we went from that call to establishing a new tradition of talking at least once a month. He felt left out, cut off, from the family, so I make sure I keep a list of things that happened since we last spoke and I refer to it when we speak. We send each other videos and funnies on Facebook and they remind both of us how much fun we have had as a family. With your kids the age they are, you were hovering on the edge of major change anyway. You can't stop it and, really, you wouldn't want to. Change is natural in the parent/child relationship. I expected my son to move away at some point in his life, just maybe not so far or under the circumstances it happened under. I think the thing that helped me the most was looking at it as being the next step in his life, not as a comment on my parenting. It wasn't the step I wanted him to take next, but it was the one he chose. Almost 10 years later, I know it was the right step for him. Good luck. Marcy I'm sorry you're having such a hard time, however... If you already know your husband will have medical issues that will impact your income why aren't you doing something to bring in more income? Also, if you haven't set yourself up to survive without your husbands income why are you paying for your daughter's college? Based on your post you don't have the luxury to not work and also pay for your daughter's college. Parents need to fund their retirement over paying for kid's college. We've had our business for almost 30 years. During that time we've had good times and we've had bad times. I thought at first that this was just one of the bad times and, if we held on tight, we'd get thru it like we always did. My DH is a great guy and a great worker, but he requires a LOT of support to do his job, especially over the past year. When he first had his stroke, I drove him to his work sites, did equipment pick-ups and returns, and kept up with all his professional as well as dr apps, in addition to doing my own job keeping the company books. During this time, we went from zero savings to having a 6 month cushion. My plan to get us out of debt is based on DH making his bare minimum, an amount he has surpassed every month since he had his stroke. Eighteen months is a conservative estimate of when we will be debt free; I actually expect to be clear within the next 12 months. I know that if I go to work outside of the home, DH is going to stop pushing so hard. He makes more in an hour than I can make in a day, so I have to figure out how to balance the possibility of extra income with the almost certainty of him slowing down his work. The looming probability of dialysis had thrown me into a tailspin. I recently came up with something that may allow me to work out of my home and still make decent money. I've already started the training necessary to make this happen. We do have some retirement savings, just not the amount I thought I would have when we finally decided to retire. We are not currently paying for DD's college, but we want to help her with her student debt when she graduates. If everything stays steady, we will be in a position to help some. We have not made any promises to her and she has no expectation of our help. The point of my post was that we are doing okay. We have substantially changed our lifestyle and changed the way we deal with our money and our health. We have a plan in place that we are currently adjusting to handle the dr's latest news. Still, it's not the life I thought we would have. Dialysis was never something I thought might be a part of our future if for no other reason than DH's needle phobia. It took me a while to come to grips with this major change and it will take the OP some time to adjust to her new life. I hope she reacts better than I have because constant anxiety is not something I would wish for anyone. Marcy
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:14:52 GMT
Thank you ladies. My heart is just so sad that I'm having a hard time getting to my wise mind which would tell me all of those things that you've said. I struggle with shame and perfection. I've worked hard to counter this my counselor, through Brene Brown studies, trying to live by Kelly Rae Roberts quotes. And, I thought I was getting there, but it's two steps forward, one step back. It sounds like I just need to work the experiences of grief and be present with them rather than fighting them or trying to move through them too quickly. I do like the Holland poem - I have seen that before. On top of the normal crap of divorce, remarriage, etc, my daughter struggles with mental illness and has been and out of treatments for the past 16 months (eating disorder, acute, residential center). I have been in the trenches with her through this (not the enemy). I think the straw that broke the camels back in the past couple of weeks was when she said she needed to start back at Dad's house when she transitions home in June, because my step-daughter (21) and her baby (14 months) are staying with us while her husband is completing his AIT training for the Air Force and they PCS in July, because it's "too stressful" at my house. It just hit me in the gut to not have either kid choosing to live with me. I call their dad covertly aggressive because while he doesn't put me down in front of the kids in an overt way, he has always said things like "you know your mom...she always has to be right" and with my new husband it has been "I don't really know him, but he should be (fill in the blanks with however he would do it)". So, the perceptions my kids have of me and my new husband are just not accurate. And, we all know that perception is reality. So, I feel like I have to wait until they can think for themselves, and be out from under those comments so that they can see how we are for themselves. I just don't know how long I'll have to wait and what irrepairable damage has done. And, honestly, one of my biggest fears in life is not having a good relationship with my kids. My heart breaks for those who have said you don't. My new husband and I have given up on any idea of blending families (5 kids too close in age who would never hang out in the same circles). In fact, we've commented several times that the photo at our wedding may be the only picture we'll ever have of our blended family, but we've committed to having the best relationships we can with each child separately. I should say that my daughter wants to come back to my house after step-sister (who she actually gets along with great), moves out, so it isn't permanently. Just feeling sorry for myself. First off, divorce IS a death.. the death of a marriage and all the dreams it held. So the grief books on death do apply to divorce to a large degree. The part I bolded/underlined... while your ex and kids may not know you new dh too well, you are overestimating his influence. Your kids DO know you. They know if what he is saying is accurate or not. When we divorced my kids were in the late teeen/early 20s. Their dad said the same types of things. They knew what was inaccurate. But I also had to take a big dose of humility with some comments, recognize the truth in them and change ME. You kids know what is true to their LIFE time of experience with you and what isn't. If what your ex says rarely rings true to their experience with you they won't apply his comments to your dh too much either. But if his comments do ring true to their experience with you, you've got another battle to fit and it isn't with the ex but with yourself to be reflective of your self and how your actions are viewed by your children. How often do you have to be right? How often do you have to have the last word, or be the family expert on a topic or whatever it is he says?
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