MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 19, 2016 16:01:25 GMT
With what happened in Arizona, this looks more than just coincidental. What the heck is going on with our election system?
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Apr 19, 2016 16:08:54 GMT
Since we are witnessing the first national election in 50 years without a functioning Voting Rights Act, it's only going to get more ugly. That doesn't answer the question about what happened in Brooklyn but I'd say we we should all not expect too much in terms of voter protection going forward.
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NYCPea
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Post by NYCPea on Apr 19, 2016 16:46:38 GMT
What the heck is going on with our election system? It's disgusting. I just voted and was informed that they'd already had about a half dozen people who were suddenly not on the rolls. Most of them were poll workers.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Apr 19, 2016 18:14:50 GMT
Now sites are saying it is twice that amount. It has been very obvious this primary season how far the powers that be will go to remain in power.
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Post by freebird on Apr 19, 2016 18:19:29 GMT
With what happened in Arizona, this looks more than just coincidental. What the heck is going on with our election system? have you watched house of cards? Even Bill Clinton admitted it was very realistic.
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Post by lindas on Apr 19, 2016 18:46:47 GMT
I don't see what the big deal is. Thry were supposed to be removed from the voting roll, Brooklyn was just behind in getting it done.
I also dont don't see were de Blasio is complaining about any Republicans being removed.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 19, 2016 18:52:40 GMT
I think a lot of the problem is $$$. Country clerk offices (or whoever's in charge in each state/locality) are always having their funding cut, not enough employees, stuck with completely outdated technology that no one's willing to budget for updated equipment, etc.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 19, 2016 19:00:01 GMT
I think you're very right, lucyg. So, I guess we need to look at who is undercutting the funding.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 19, 2016 19:03:35 GMT
Major big deal when your voter registration is changed without your knowledge. Shelly Berry discovered that someone had changed her voter registration in 2012, even forging her signature on the document: Today I went to the board of elections to find out why my voter registration was switched from democrat to unaffiliated without my knowledge or consent. The man there said I had applied to be changed to no party affiliation in 2012. I said that was absolutely false and never sent in such a form. I had him print the 2012 form and then had him print two additional forms, two which I know I filled out myself. Both forms I filled out myself had “democrat” checked. The one from 2012 is a FRAUDULENT form which is NOT in my handwriting and has a forged, completely wrong looking signature on it. usuncut.com/politics/something-amiss-new-york/
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Post by missmiss on Apr 19, 2016 19:08:04 GMT
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 19, 2016 19:22:04 GMT
Most definitely NOT the people, that is for certain.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 19, 2016 20:38:01 GMT
Major big deal when your voter registration is changed without your knowledge. Shelly Berry discovered that someone had changed her voter registration in 2012, even forging her signature on the document: Today I went to the board of elections to find out why my voter registration was switched from democrat to unaffiliated without my knowledge or consent. The man there said I had applied to be changed to no party affiliation in 2012. I said that was absolutely false and never sent in such a form. I had him print the 2012 form and then had him print two additional forms, two which I know I filled out myself. Both forms I filled out myself had “democrat” checked. The one from 2012 is a FRAUDULENT form which is NOT in my handwriting and has a forged, completely wrong looking signature on it. usuncut.com/politics/something-amiss-new-york/Wow! That's terrible.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 19, 2016 20:46:29 GMT
I think a lot of the problem is $$$. Country clerk offices (or whoever's in charge in each state/locality) are always having their funding cut, not enough employees, stuck with completely outdated technology that no one's willing to budget for updated equipment, etc. I agree, I just can't see this as some big conspiracy theory. It's about what we value in this country and what we will pay for. And it's not this stuff.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 19, 2016 22:21:12 GMT
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Post by raindancer on Apr 20, 2016 0:56:26 GMT
I disagree. Broken voting machines, polls not opening, all indicate the level of apathy in this country we have about everything in politics. I think it sucks and I think it's messed up, but frankly, you get what you pay for. When you allow your state to cut funding to this stuff (and who elects those people anyway? Less than 50% of the voting population usually), you get garbage. Garbage in, garbage out. We don't need a grand conspiracy theory to know that what is right in front of us is a voting public with the attention span of a goldfish, who doesn't care about any of this until it directly impacts them in a negative way. And then they will bitch and moan for a couple of days and then you can bet they will forget all about it again. Because people don't care.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 20, 2016 5:50:00 GMT
Wait, am I getting a whiff of ... some of you think these voting issues were due to "Crooked Hillary" fixing the election??
I think you are out of your ever-lovin' minds.
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Post by mlynn on Apr 20, 2016 6:11:06 GMT
Wait, am I getting a whiff of ... some of you think these voting issues were due to "Crooked Hillary" fixing the election?? I think you are out of your ever-lovin' minds. Ok. I read the entire thread and I saw nothing of the kind in the posts.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 20, 2016 6:22:43 GMT
Wait, am I getting a whiff of ... some of you think these voting issues were due to "Crooked Hillary" fixing the election?? I think you are out of your ever-lovin' minds. Ok. I read the entire thread and I saw nothing of the kind in the posts. Good, I hope I'm wrong and am forced to apologize by a mob of angry peas. I first started getting that idea in a different thread ... I think it was the Trump and Clinton Win New York thread.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 20, 2016 11:01:06 GMT
I disagree. Broken voting machines, polls not opening, all indicate the level of apathy in this country we have about everything in politics. I think it sucks and I think it's messed up, but frankly, you get what you pay for. When you allow your state to cut funding to this stuff (and who elects those people anyway? Less than 50% of the voting population usually), you get garbage. Garbage in, garbage out. We don't need a grand conspiracy theory to know that what is right in front of us is a voting public with the attention span of a goldfish, who doesn't care about any of this until it directly impacts them in a negative way. And then they will bitch and moan for a couple of days and then you can bet they will forget all about it again. Because people don't care. The oerson not showing up to unlock a door or the book of names not getting delivered or the people not showing up has to do with lack of funds? Regardless something needs to change. People say get out and vote yet when people tried to vote they got turned away or found out their registration was changed or deactivated. Showing up somewhere at 6 to vote and the building not open and no people there. How is it fair to those people? The rules are so stupid these days. But overall what a cluster and I feel sorry for the people that tried to get out and vote and couldn't. Both sides!
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NYCPea
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Post by NYCPea on Apr 20, 2016 15:41:32 GMT
I don't see what the big deal is. Thry were supposed to be removed from the voting roll, Brooklyn was just behind in getting it done. I also dont don't see were de Blasio is complaining about any Republicans being removed. No, they weren't. The percentage of voters who were supposed to removed was fairly small in comparison. I now know a handful of people who got to the same polling station they had voted at for years, never missing an election, only to be told their names were missing. They knew to fill out affidavits but how many voters didn't? Or didn't have the time? It's complete bullshit. I haven't seen anything about larges groups of Republicans being removed from the rolls. Can you please provide a link?
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Post by georgiapea on Apr 20, 2016 16:48:14 GMT
In my state, if you didn't vote in the last presidential election, you were purged, and to vote in 2016, you must update your status. If purging didn't happen the voter records would become out of control. Anyone who finds they are not on the polling books can request to vote a provisional ballot.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 20, 2016 17:44:12 GMT
In my state, if you didn't vote in the last presidential election, you were purged, and to vote in 2016, you must update your status. If purging didn't happen the voter records would become out of control. Anyone who finds they are not on the polling books can request to vote a provisional ballot. Here's the thing though, voters who discovered they were purged DID vote in the last election and their status was "active". They disappeared anyway. Entire buildings and city blocks were purged from the system. That's not a typical purging. Others found their party affiliation had changed.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 20, 2016 17:55:53 GMT
Something is foul: Fabrizio Milito, another voter who signed up with the suit, registered as a Democrat in 2009 and voted in local elections as recent as last year. The 25-year-old construction worker from Bayville, L.I., noticed his registration now says “not affiliated.” “I got really upset and I went to call them (the Nassau board of elections) and even the guy on the phone was pretty baffled,” Melito said. “He told me I must have changed it but I never did.” Some voters involved in the lawsuit — who are primarily Democratic — also claim they their voter registration had been canceled altogether. Joanna Viscuso, 19, from Seaford, L.I., said she registered to vote as a Democrat during her college orientation at Adelphi University in 2014. She'd be a first-time voter in Tuesday's primary. She noticed earlier this week that now her voter registration online says she is “not affiliated” with a party. She called Nassau Board of Elections and they told her that she had filled out a form in September to change her party affiliation and sent it in in October — she claims she never did that. www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hundreds-ny-voters-file-lawsuit-alleged-voter-fraud-article-1.2603876
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 21, 2016 16:11:12 GMT
First accusation of election fraud coming out of Chicago from poll observers. In one precinct the actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing. It gets interesting around the 24 minute mark (video starts at 24:34). Beginning the public comment portion of the meeting is Lead Poll Observer, Dr. Lora Chamberlain. In one example noted during video, 21 Bernie votes were erased and 49 Hillary votes added to audit tally in order to match machine count. In this one precinct, this change from the actual results accounted for nearly 20% of overall votes cast. The actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing. (video starts at 35:59) More info from lead poll observer, Dr. Lora Chamberlain (in the video) at gofundme: Audit the Black Box
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Post by BeckyTech on Apr 21, 2016 16:39:51 GMT
MizIndependent, did these voting irregularities happen in mostly white districts? Bernie has the best results with large turnouts among whites. Just curious. Interesting these party affiliations were mostly changed late last year?
This is a bit reminiscent of the senate election in Minnesota between Al Franken and Norm Coleman. In districts controlled by Democrats they kept finding boxes of uncounted ballots in the back of the closet and ... wouldn't you know it! ... they were all for Al Franken! What a coincidence! Al won by 312 votes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 17:30:00 GMT
MizIndependent , did these voting irregularities happen in mostly white districts? Bernie has the best results with large turnouts among whites. Just curious. Interesting these party affiliations were mostly changed late last year?
This is a bit reminiscent of the senate election in Minnesota between Al Franken and Norm Coleman. In districts controlled by Democrats they kept finding boxes of uncounted ballots in the back of the closet and ... wouldn't you know it! ... they were all for Al Franken! What a coincidence! Al won by 312 votes. We had something similar here (WA state) in our 2002 gubernatorial race. Three recounts, the first two being lost by the ultimate "winner." They conveniently thankfully mysteriously found ballots between the 2nd and 3rd recounts.
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