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Post by beanbuddymom on Apr 19, 2016 20:18:15 GMT
I find it extremely frustrating to go to meets or games when my DD (public) school is playing or competing against other athletes from private schools. They always win, medal, etc and it becomes for some very frustrating. Even more so when kids that showed promise are recruited and end up playing against us the following year.
Private schools recruit the best hs athletes so I feel it's an unfair advantage so why are public and private schools being played against one another? It doesn't seem at all fair and yeah as a mom I grumble.
I was wondering if it was the same for other states or not.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 19, 2016 20:20:40 GMT
They compete against a couple of catholic schools. They are not elite though and they lose a lot of the time. I have noticed one school has gotten quite good at football in the last few years and I wonder if they've gotten into recruiting. There are very few Catholics where I live and most parents aren't concerned about public schools.
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Post by smartypants71 on Apr 19, 2016 20:21:52 GMT
As far as i know, no. There are enough schools, both private and public for them to compete with just their own schools.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 19, 2016 20:27:13 GMT
Our private schools are so small that they combine with our public schools just to play smaller sports. My DD's lacrosse team has girls from our local Christian school.
But I went to Catholic school for high school in a different town and yes, the parents did send their kids there specifically to play football. What ended up happening was that our state athletic association made the high school play in a different conference with much bigger schools because the football program was so good. That caused some controversy.
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Post by tuva42 on Apr 19, 2016 20:28:08 GMT
In our district the public high schools have refused to play against one particular Catholic school because of allegations of recruiting. The school has been reprimanded, but other schools still refuse.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 19, 2016 20:28:54 GMT
Yes, our school (charter) plays a mix of public and private. However, it is a pretty smallish town and I know often know the kids from the private schools we play against and can say for them, at least, they are there because of other reasons than sports. If they win, it isn't because of recruiting, but usually because the parents prefer the religious aspects of that particular school. If anything, there are some advantages to the public schools because there are a number of home school kids that play sports for a particular school based on advantages that school may have in recruiting by colleges-that doesn't happen with the private schools.
I do see kids moving around schools-but again, it is usually (at least with the people I know) because of something that wasn't going well with their old school and changes were seen by parents as beneficial to their kids.
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on Apr 19, 2016 20:31:35 GMT
My daughter goes to a private school and they do play against some of the smaller public schools.
The boys team was pretty competitive this year in basketball but that isn't usually the case. A lot of times the public schools whomp on the private schools.
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Post by marimoose on Apr 19, 2016 20:31:54 GMT
Our public schools did compete against private schools. It was pretty divided as to how well the private schools, much like the public schools. The public schools in the most extreme low income areas almost always performed poorly, whereas the better the area, the better the athlete. Private school children generally come from a higher economic background but that didn't always translate. There is one private Christian school that makes it to the top of football every year and I am not sure that is due to recruiting as much as those kids have been able to focus on their sport and been coached by some very good coaches. I always told my kids to go out and play and enjoy as much as possible, even if they lost. I will say a few teams were more painful losses but not because of the loss but the richer kids were such poor sports, very mean girls.
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Post by scrappert on Apr 19, 2016 20:35:32 GMT
We don't here. Private against private, public against public.
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Post by anniebeth24 on Apr 19, 2016 20:56:24 GMT
During the regular season, our public schools only compete against other public schools in their conference.
During the playoffs that lead to state championships, schools are divided up into divisions by size and both public and private schools play against each other. There are a few private schools that seem to always be at the top of the rankings, but I attribute that more to affluence than recruiting.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 19, 2016 21:03:58 GMT
No, in fact my daughter's high school (private all girls) only plays against other private all girls schools - not even against girls from private co-ed schools.
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Post by psiluvu on Apr 19, 2016 21:08:15 GMT
Yes, both kids go to public catholic schools one in high school and one in junior high. They usually kick butt in girls and boys hockey, boys basketball and girls soccer vs both public and private schools. The junior high is the also best in the area in football becasue most of the kids play on a community team together that is also very successfull.
They have limited success in swimming and volleyball and are almost always near the bottom. All the other sports can pretty much go any way depending on the day.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 19, 2016 21:40:36 GMT
I find it extremely frustrating to go to meets or games when my DD (public) school is playing or competing against other athletes from private schools. They always win, medal, etc and it becomes for some very frustrating. Even more so when kids that showed promise are recruited and end up playing against us the following year. Private schools recruit the best hs athletes so I feel it's an unfair advantage so why are public and private schools being played against one another? It doesn't seem at all fair and yeah as a mom I grumble. I was wondering if it was the same for other states or not. Ours do. But the private schools rarely win. Here, though, there isn't a lot of recruitment going on. Public schools far outshine private schools in almost every way. Definitely academically. The reason why people put their kids in private school isn't for the rigor or the athletics but to isolate their children from the public school riff-raff. Typically parents move their kids from private to public for the high school years. So there isn't any drawing students away from public to play on private teams.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 19, 2016 21:41:49 GMT
YES!!!! And it is frustrating, the private school football team is 8-10" taller than ours. I mean the WHOLE team. All the public schools have kids of various sizes ones 6'-6" and all the way down to 5'-5" for some kickers. But the private schools entire team is huge tall, wide, just huge. Little to no variation. ( and I don't have a football player and I hate football ) I find it cringeworthy to have to watch those games. The Private school can recruit kids from all over the state. And they do, even finding host families if the kid lives too far away to attend. It's ridiculous. They are HUGE our kids get pummeled literally ( and score wise ) The drastic difference is somewhat less obvious with other sports. Not sure why, my guess is all the recruitment money goes to prominent sports like football but that's just a guess.
The state sports whatever ( not sure what it's called) decided last year to change that and put non public schools in a seperate conference but then that was over turned and it won't be changed.
The private schools here ( with very few exceptions, I can think of one ) can't compete with suburban public school music (band and choral ) programs though. They just don't have the depth of performers and apparently they don't recruit for that, or pour money into it lol. There's pros and cons to everything.
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Post by fotos4u2 on Apr 19, 2016 21:43:39 GMT
Yes our public school plays some private schools during the season. Our public school doesn't appear to have huge issues against those other teams. The one thing I noticed beyond recruiting is that private schools usually don't have a freshman/frosh team. This usually results in their JV being stronger. The public school has to spread their talent out amongst three teams whereas the private only has to spread it amongst the two teams.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 21:49:22 GMT
Yes, our private and public schools all compete (according to size) against each other in leagues determined by our state athletics/activities association. It's not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 21:56:48 GMT
Locally, the schools play according to school size/class. The 4 public districts are actually in two different conferences and the Catholic school is in an entirely different class. (Class B vs class D) It makes sense since the public schools all have graduating classes of 200 or more. The Catholic school rarely has a class of more than 50.
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Post by jennifercw on Apr 19, 2016 22:14:44 GMT
Locally, the schools play according to school size/class. The 4 public districts are actually in two different conferences and the Catholic school is in an entirely different class. (Class B vs class D) It makes sense since the public schools all have graduating classes of 200 or more. The Catholic school rarely has a class of more than 50. That's how it is determined for region/conference play here as well. Schools are grouped into classes based on population, then regions based on location. My dd goes to a larger public school and there are no private schools in her region. However, the teams will sometimes play non-region games against private schools.
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Post by janeliz on Apr 19, 2016 23:09:16 GMT
My daughter's future high school does not (they're considered 4a), but I believe some of the smaller public schools in the surrounding areas do compete against private schools and academies.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 19, 2016 23:12:00 GMT
Yes, De La Salle high school in Concord, CA, plays against our local high schools in the same league. They are nationally ranked, recruit football players and win our league and place in state every single year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 23:13:51 GMT
Locally, the schools play according to school size/class. The 4 public districts are actually in two different conferences and the Catholic school is in an entirely different class. (Class B vs class D) It makes sense since the public schools all have graduating classes of 200 or more. The Catholic school rarely has a class of more than 50. That's how it is determined for region/conference play here as well. Schools are grouped into classes based on population, then regions based on location. My dd goes to a larger public school and there are no private schools in her region. However, the teams will sometimes play non-region games against private schools. My kids' school does not play against the local Catholic school, even in non conference games, ever. I don't think any of them ever do unless robotics count.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Apr 19, 2016 23:25:56 GMT
One of the biggest and best Catholic teams in the state, and possibly the country (LOTS of college/NFL players come from this school) plays almost exclusively public schools in their division. They are big recruiters and offer massive scholarships (through boosters.) They've won something like 10 state championships during the last two decades.
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Post by paigepea on Apr 19, 2016 23:29:47 GMT
My girls are still in elementary school, but their private school teams compete against public schools. We have a very limited sports program and don't always win.
My dd was on the track team and did well at last years track meet against public schools - I don't think there was another private school there. The kids did notice that all of the public schools had matching shirts. Our kids didn't have any sort of uniform because sports aren't encouraged.
Our local more expensive private schools also compete against public schools and I think they dominate, but I think that happens more at the high school level.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Apr 19, 2016 23:39:22 GMT
Yes, De La Salle high school in Concord, CA, plays against our local high schools in the same league. They are nationally ranked, recruit football players and win our league and place in state every single year. Is that the school that was featured in the movie about the winning streak for the football team?
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Post by cadoodlebug on Apr 19, 2016 23:59:33 GMT
Yes, De La Salle high school in Concord, CA, plays against our local high schools in the same league. They are nationally ranked, recruit football players and win our league and place in state every single year. Is that the school that was featured in the movie about the winning streak for the football team? Yep.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Apr 20, 2016 0:08:35 GMT
Yes.
DS plays lacrosse, and also played in middle school (public MS, private HS.)
There are great quality teams in both the public and private schools. The current #1 team in the city is public, and the #2 team is private (my son's.)
The #1 team does allow out of district players to attend the public school on permit. So they do attract a great deal of highly qualified athletes to attend their high quality program. My son's school does not recruit- it goes against their admissions policy.
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Post by johnnysmom on Apr 20, 2016 0:21:32 GMT
Yes we play against one private school but it's outside the league and doesn't really "count". But yes the private school recruits, in fact at least 2 of their basketball players are very tall guys from Nigeria and there is speculation that they are far older than most high schoolers. Disgusting.
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Post by maryland on Apr 20, 2016 0:23:40 GMT
My high school did not, my kids high school does. A couple of the private schools are pretty good in football, but the public schools usually win in other sports. It's pretty evenly matched in football. The public schools are bigger and have a lot more money and resources so public has the advantage.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 20, 2016 0:28:13 GMT
No, in fact my daughter's high school (private all girls) only plays against other private all girls schools - not even against girls from private co-ed schools. How many private all girls schools do you have? Here it is mixed. Some private schools have excellent facilities.. but many are like the charter schools, scrambling to find gyms to borrow.
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Post by ellen on Apr 20, 2016 0:37:32 GMT
They do. It really bothers me at state tournament time - especially the hockey tournament. All of the public schools have to follow rules about players living in their district or following the rules for open enrollment and the private schools can recruit and offer scholarships. One private school routinely has kids from other states on their roster. It's bullshit.
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