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Post by fkawitchypea on Apr 20, 2016 2:08:25 GMT
I'm not sure anyone is surprised at this result.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 20, 2016 2:22:05 GMT
It was expected.
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 20, 2016 2:36:21 GMT
And voter fraud voter suppression was rampant as is becoming the new American norm.
I expect to hear Hillary say something about the problems voters faced in New York, but I don't think she will. What would it gain her?
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Post by kate on Apr 20, 2016 2:41:25 GMT
I was surprised at how close the Democratic race was.
I will say that it was the easiest, quickest, friendliest voting experience I've ever had, and I've been voting at the same place for 15 years.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 20, 2016 5:27:42 GMT
And voter fraud was rampant as is becoming the new American norm. I expect to hear Hillary say something about the problems voters faced in New York, but I don't think she will. What would it gain her? Voter fraud? or administrative problems at the polls? I think you need to explain that comment a little better. I haven't been able to watch any news tonight, but I'm going to turn it on now and see if I can figure out what's going on. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 20, 2016 15:48:30 GMT
And voter fraud voter suppression was rampant as is becoming the new American norm. I expect to hear Hillary say something about the problems voters faced in New York, but I don't think she will. What would it gain her? Voter fraud? or administrative problems at the polls? I think you need to explain that comment a little better. I haven't been able to watch any news tonight, but I'm going to turn it on now and see if I can figure out what's going on. I see I have confused my terms (corrected now). The correct terms are "Voter Suppression" and "Election Fraud". What we're seeing could be rampant voter suppression, or it could be a severely under-informed public and an outdated system that has virtually no financial support to keep things running smoothly. Some of it can be attributed to administrative problems, but all of it? I just don't know. After everything that happened in Arizona and now New York - and we're already hearing whispers of changed status/parties in California and Oregon...I just don't know. Seems awfully unlikely. 125,000 registrations purged in New York. That's one hell of an administration glitch, and that doesn't count the rest of the problems they had yesterday. I'm also not accusing any one party of that level of dirty tricks. As much as I dislike Hillary, she's a legal player (she plays it as close to the legal line as possible, but still seems to be legal if not completely ethical IMO). The problems being reported from New York yesterday: 125,000 people have been removed from the voter rolls 60,000 people receive notices to vote that didn’t have the primary date people told they were in the wrong polling place time and time again polls hours changed/delayed without notice broken polling booths no ballots in all of Harlem (wtf?) Here's a local article featuring the highlights of yesterdays issues: CBS New York: New York City Comptroller To Audit Board Of Election Due To Hundreds Of Thousands Of Polling Problems |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 20, 2016 16:02:41 GMT
Voter fraud? or administrative problems at the polls? I think you need to explain that comment a little better. I haven't been able to watch any news tonight, but I'm going to turn it on now and see if I can figure out what's going on. I see I have confused my terms (corrected now). The correct terms are "Voter Suppression" and "Election Fraud". What we're seeing could be rampant voter suppression, or it could be a severely under-informed public and an outdated system that has virtually no financial support to keep things running smoothly. Some of it can be attributed to administrative problems, but all of it? I just don't know. After everything that happened in Arizona and now New York - and we're already hearing whispers of changed status/parties in California and Oregon...I just don't know. Seems awfully unlikely. 125,000 registrations purged in New York. That's one hell of an administration glitch, and that doesn't count the rest of the problems they had yesterday. I'm also not accusing any one party of that level of dirty tricks. As much as I dislike Hillary, she's a legal player (she plays it as close to the legal line as possible, but still seems to be legal if not completely ethical IMO). The problems being reported from New York yesterday: 125,000 people have been removed from the voter rolls 60,000 people receive notices to vote that didn’t have the primary date people told they were in the wrong polling place time and time again polls hours changed/delayed without notice broken polling booths no ballots in all of Harlem (wtf?) Here's a local article featuring the highlights of yesterdays issues: CBS New York: New York City Comptroller To Audit Board Of Election Due To Hundreds Of Thousands Of Polling ProblemsThanks for clarifying. I just think, failing evidence of deliberate voter suppression, I would attribute all of these issues to bureaucratic nonsense, computer glitches, laziness, ignorance, mistakes on the part of the voters themselves, just general incompetence ... the usual human condition, perhaps worse than usual in this case. I just don't like to assume there is a conscious effort on anyone's part to suppress the vote when normal average incompetence will do the trick.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:38:13 GMT
In my home community, the registered voters were told that their polling place was at the local fire station. It has been there in years past, not this year. The place they had to go was in another town about 11 miles. No biggie. Some of my friends mentioned they went to this other place, and it was closed. There were there around 5pm, and it was supposed to be open until 9pm. Therefore, they were unable to vote. I believe someone is looking into what their recourse is.
For the most part, most of the state voted for Bernie. His numbers were higher than Hillary's. Only in a few places and in New York City boroughs was Hillary ahead of Bernie. The margin I believe is around 15%? In 2008, Hillary won in New York and there was a 17% margin between her and Obama. He still went on to win the whole shebang!
I am a bit disappointed about the outcome, but I will continue my support for Bernie until the bitter end!
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 20, 2016 16:40:07 GMT
That's quite fair, lucyg . As you and I both know, common sense simply isn't common (at least not anymore). It's a very sad reality. ETA: the level of disorganization though...it really is shocking, especially after I read what @jigglypuff posted "In my home community, the registered voters were told that their polling place was at the local fire station. It has been there in years past, not this year. The place they had to go was in another town about 11 miles. No biggie. Some of my friends mentioned they went to this other place, and it was closed. There were there around 5pm, and it was supposed to be open until 9pm. Therefore, they were unable to vote." Too much of that very thing was happening all over New York (and Arizona). A few instances I can dismiss as incompetent, but that much? I just don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:49:39 GMT
Exactly. Too much of that happening, not just here in NY and in Arizona, but other places across the country have also mentioned it. California residents are finding out that their registration has been changed without notice. I could research the problems other states have had, but my lunchtime is almost over! So I won't. But it is real and happening. Incompetence I could see if a few isolated cases, but this is really far spread.
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Post by ScrapsontheRocks on Apr 20, 2016 18:11:34 GMT
I see I have confused my terms (corrected now). The correct terms are "Voter Suppression" and "Election Fraud". What we're seeing could be rampant voter suppression, or it could be a severely under-informed public and an outdated system that has virtually no financial support to keep things running smoothly. Some of it can be attributed to administrative problems, but all of it? I just don't know. After everything that happened in Arizona and now New York - and we're already hearing whispers of changed status/parties in California and Oregon...I just don't know. Seems awfully unlikely. 125,000 registrations purged in New York. That's one hell of an administration glitch, and that doesn't count the rest of the problems they had yesterday. I'm also not accusing any one party of that level of dirty tricks. As much as I dislike Hillary, she's a legal player (she plays it as close to the legal line as possible, but still seems to be legal if not completely ethical IMO). The problems being reported from New York yesterday: 125,000 people have been removed from the voter rolls 60,000 people receive notices to vote that didn’t have the primary date people told they were in the wrong polling place time and time again polls hours changed/delayed without notice broken polling booths no ballots in all of Harlem (wtf?) Here's a local article featuring the highlights of yesterdays issues: CBS New York: New York City Comptroller To Audit Board Of Election Due To Hundreds Of Thousands Of Polling ProblemsThanks for clarifying. I just think, failing evidence of deliberate voter suppression, I would attribute all of these issues to bureaucratic nonsense, computer glitches, laziness, ignorance, mistakes on the part of the voters themselves, just general incompetence ... the usual human condition, perhaps worse than usual in this case. I just don't like to assume there is a conscious effort on anyone's part to suppress the vote when normal average incompetence will do the trick. Never ascribe to conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence! |
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Post by lucyg on Apr 20, 2016 21:26:55 GMT
Exactly. Too much of that happening, not just here in NY and in Arizona, but other places across the country have also mentioned it. California residents are finding out that their registration has been changed without notice. I could research the problems other states have had, but my lunchtime is almost over! So I won't. But it is real and happening. Incompetence I could see if a few isolated cases, but this is really far spread. So you ARE saying you think these issues are caused by some underhanded action on Hillary's part? If yes, I'd appreciate if you would wait for actual evidence, not just suspicion on your part, to suggest something so libelous of the candidate ... any candidate. They deserve the same courtesy any other person is entitled to. |
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 20, 2016 22:26:47 GMT
Exactly. Too much of that happening, not just here in NY and in Arizona, but other places across the country have also mentioned it. California residents are finding out that their registration has been changed without notice. I could research the problems other states have had, but my lunchtime is almost over! So I won't. But it is real and happening. Incompetence I could see if a few isolated cases, but this is really far spread. Do you have a source for this statement? Or are you referring to the recent story about California residents who selected to be affiliated with the American Independent Party when they meant to register with no party prefence? |
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Post by suzastampin on Apr 20, 2016 22:38:05 GMT
I was surprised to see that Hillary only won 6 counties and Bernie won all the rest. She won the downstate with the more populated areas. I found it comical that the Donald won all except the borough where he lives.  |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Apr 20, 2016 22:40:59 GMT
She won the NY Senate seat with only 4 counties. Crap like this is why I am in favor of the electoral college and wish that each state had something similar.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 0:33:19 GMT
She won the NY Senate seat with only 4 counties. Crap like this is why I am in favor of the electoral college and wish that each state had something similar. Me, too. AND I wish the electoral college worked the same in each state for presidential elections re: whether or not they are percentages or winner-take-all (I favor a percentage-based method.) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 0:46:08 GMT
Hillary had more votes that the three GOP candidates combined!
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Post by MizIndependent on Apr 21, 2016 1:44:39 GMT
Exactly. Too much of that happening, not just here in NY and in Arizona, but other places across the country have also mentioned it. California residents are finding out that their registration has been changed without notice. I could research the problems other states have had, but my lunchtime is almost over! So I won't. But it is real and happening. Incompetence I could see if a few isolated cases, but this is really far spread. Do you have a source for this statement? Or are you referring to the recent story about California residents who selected to be affiliated with the American Independent Party when they meant to register with no party prefence? on my phone and it sucks for linking...so, Heavy.com has a story reporting these issues in CA, PA, CT, MD too: heavy.com/news/2016/04/election-fraud-voter-registration-changed-suppression-party-affiliation-sanders-clinton-ca-ny-az-md-pa-what-to-do/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 2:58:21 GMT
The title of the story is :" Election Fraud: Why are voters registrations changing?" At this point no one knows if "fraud" was the reason for what happened. Another possibility of what could have happened was "widespread clerical errors". This option was buried in the story while the author chose to lead with "Election Fraud" with no question mark. You think the author wanted to suggest something? When one commits fraud it is usually to benefit themselves in some way by a fraudulent act. From what is being reported in this story and other sources the changes happened to both Democrats and Republicans. So who benefits? Unless one thinks in the affected states there is a Republican voter registration worker thinking "I'll show you Democrats" and sets about inactivating or deleting party affiliations of Democrat voters and the worker in the next desk over happens to be a Democrat and is doing the same thing but to Republican voters. There is no questions this needs to be checked out and fixed. But I don't think we are anywhere close to the point where the word "fraud" can be used to describe what happened. My guess in the areas where this happened the various offices involved tried to run their offices/election on the cheap. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 21, 2016 3:09:25 GMT
She won the NY Senate seat with only 4 counties. Crap like this is why I am in favor of the electoral college and wish that each state had something similar. Yep! |
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