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Post by tduby1 on Apr 25, 2016 18:05:06 GMT
I wasn't arguing she *shouldn't move whether it was an officer or not. Someone else questioned why she didn't recognize it as an officer and I offered a reason. I wasn't saying you were arguing and I didn't quote you. I just noticed a couple people mentioned that, not just you I knew you didn't quote me, just wasn't sure if it was my posts you were referencing.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 25, 2016 18:07:37 GMT
ing" the law, as Cindy is being scolded for not doing, there would be no need for it, right? So, in essence those "left lane passers" are actually breaking the law by speeding, too, right? Why is one way of breaking the law ok but the other not? Because the person behind might be an emergency vehicle, as it was in this case, which is not necessarily subject to posted speed limits. I am probably sounding like a broken record... isn't traffic moving *above* posted speeds breaking the law as well? I am having a hard time wrapping my brain around a law designed to penalize people driving the speed limit-- and thus causing them to be labeled as the ones "breaking the law" for the convenience of the people breaking the law to begin with. I am not trying to be oppositional, but I have never gotten this. Legally, I think they would have a hard time making a case for the OP impeding traffic if she was actually going above the speed limit. Improper lane usage, maybe. Speeding, sure. But by arguing that she was impeding traffic, they are giving an implicit stamp of approval on speeding. She was impeding a cop, who doesn't necessarily have to observe posted speed limits. As I said, in most places, they do unless they have their lights and/or sirens on.
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Post by elaine on Apr 25, 2016 18:22:33 GMT
Except it happened in a jurisdiction that had a well publicised campaign to education drivers on the law and let them know LEO would be ticketing drivers. If you are forcing another car to slow down or pass you on the right side, you are impeding traffic. Forcing traffic to slow down to a speed already above the speed limit - not impeding traffic.
Honestly, people who do it tend to piss me off but, legally, I think you can make an argument.
I understand what you are saying, but it isn't the legal definition of impeding traffic. In Michigan, the law about impeding traffic does not make any mention of speed limits. It only talks about blocking the normal flow of traffic. If someone is behind you in the passing lane for miles and you block, or IMPEDE, his or her ability to drive faster than you are, you are breaking Michigan law. The posted speed limit has nothing to do with it in terms of legal definitions. You could try to argue it, but I don't think legally you have much of a leg to stand on. Apparently there has been quite the campaign out there in MI - when looking up the legal definition of "impeding traffic" a number of complaints of being ticketed for it in Michigan came up in my Google results.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 25, 2016 18:24:29 GMT
Forcing traffic to slow down to a speed already above the speed limit - not impeding traffic.
Honestly, people who do it tend to piss me off but, legally, I think you can make an argument.
I understand what you are saying, but it isn't the legal definition of impeding traffic. In Michigan, the law about impeding traffic does not make any mention of speed limits. It only talks about blocking the normal flow of traffic. If someone is behind you in the passing lane for miles and you block, or IMPEDE, his or her ability to drive faster than you are, you are breaking Michigan law. The posted speed limit has nothing to do with it in terms of legal definitions. You could try to argue it, but I don't think legally you have much of a leg to stand on. Apparently there has been quite the campaign out there in MI - when looking up the legal definition of "impeding traffic" a number of complaints of being ticketed for it in Michigan came up in my Google results. Interesting. And ironic.
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Post by katlady on Apr 25, 2016 19:02:17 GMT
In one of the videos that MizIndependent posted the officer even states that the speed limit doesn't matter when it comes to impeding traffic. You could be going the speed limit and still be impeding traffic if you are not going with the flow. But then what is the "limit"?! It is like a circular question.
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Post by STBC on Apr 25, 2016 19:12:08 GMT
I am a left lane driver and I read some where that depending on a person being left or right eye dominant they'll be more comfortable and relaxed in either the right or left lane. Until I read that it never occurred to me! I'm left eye dominant and don't have a lane that I consider more comfortable than the other. I use the left lane to pass, otherwise, I'm in the right lane.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 21:23:07 GMT
Be glad you don't live in NC, where they were giving out tickets for being ONE mile over the speed limit a couple of weeks back. Sorry you got a ticket OP. I too have a perfect driving record and hope to keep mine. It's tough when you're going through a new place and aren't familiar with the laws in that area. I am so glad I saw your post!!! DD and I will be traveling to the east coast of NC this weekend. I try my best to stay at the posted speed limit but I will be driving our Tundra and I can be speeding before I realize it. I wasn't planning on using our Garmin, just Google maps on the phone, but I think I will keep the Garmin on the dash. That way my DD can help me keep track of my speed since the Garmin shows how fast I am going. I don't want to get a ticket and spoil our trip. Apparently, this is a new initiative that ends on Sunday April 3rd. Here's some more information for you: theweek.com/speedreads/614984/north-carolina-might-ticket-going-1-mph-over-speed-limitI don't know how hard they're enforcing it now, but about a week ago, my neighbor saw a bunch of cars being pulled over. Enjoy your trip to NC. It's a good time of year to visit... warm but not humid.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 21:42:01 GMT
I'll have to disagree. Coming from NY to NC, that is one law we would love to have here. I can't tell you how many time people drive below the speed limit in both lanes. This allows gridlock and impedes the flow of traffic. I can tell you that in the Greater Toronto Area, if the left lane was empty for passing only and traffic was only in the other two lanes gridlock would be a nightmare. It's a nightmare on many of the highways with people in all three lanes. Trust me, in my area, a passing only lane would make things worse not better. You can only go the speed that the traffic is going in gridlock and that's in all three lanes. Having experience with losing one lane to either mandated HOVs for the PanAm or even just an accident, traffic goes at a crawl in two lanes, a passing only lane will not make it better. Not even close. [br See we will have to disagree and we are doing it nicely. Why can't more be like that:)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 21:47:31 GMT
Be glad you don't live in NC, where they were giving out tickets for being ONE mile over the speed limit a couple of weeks back. Sorry you got a ticket OP. I too have a perfect driving record and hope to keep mine. It's tough when you're going through a new place and aren't familiar with the laws in that area. I am so glad I saw your post!!! DD and I will be traveling to the east coast of NC this weekend. I try my best to stay at the posted speed limit but I will be driving our Tundra and I can be speeding before I realize it. I wasn't planning on using our Garmin, just Google maps on the phone, but I think I will keep the Garmin on the dash. That way my DD can help me keep track of my speed since the Garmin shows how fast I am going. I don't want to get a ticket and spoil our trip. That was a DOT initiative,not a LEO one. The troopers and many other LEO agencies said they are given discretion with enforcement and would continue with it with speed enforcement. NC is an absolute speed state, meaning they can write for one over. Personally I go 5 over and know many that do. If I get pulled I get a ticket and yes I've have been ticketed before.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 25, 2016 22:18:30 GMT
After a number of years , tickets no longer show on your record. As far as anyone knows, *I* have a perfect driving record.
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Post by beepdave on Apr 25, 2016 22:35:49 GMT
I was in Grand Rapids. The west side of the state. Of course. I was going to ask you if it was GR area. That's where I live and they have been enforcing it hardcore. I know of several people who have been ticketed recently. It's like they've created a sting operation like they do with the seatbelt checkpoints.
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Post by YooHoot on Apr 26, 2016 1:37:30 GMT
Wait....you didn't notice the motorcycle behind you? I bet if you had moved over to allow someone to pass he probably wouldn't have pulled you over. Sounds like you ride in the left lane oblivious to what is going around you. THAT is probably why he ticketed you. She noticed the motorcycle. She didn't know it was a police officer, is what she said. They are not common in our part of the state, if they even exist. I have never seen one and don't know if I would recognize one.
Doesn't matter. She was impeding traffic. She should have moved. Laws aside...it's rude. Cop or no cop.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2016 1:43:31 GMT
To answer some questions....
I was on the west side of the state. Grand Rapids. I live two hours east of Grand Rapids. There is no campaign for that law where I live contrary to what the cop said. Everyone I told about this was shocked to hear that it was a ticketable offense and had never heard "the campaign". Even the attorney I work for thought I was joking when I told him about it.
I was passing traffic in the right lane. I was going with the speed flow of traffic in the left lane. I couldn't tell when I looked in my rear view mirror that it was a cop cycle. He was at least a car length behind me and it probably wasn't a mile and a half that he followed me. . I couldn't tell until he pulled up to my bumper and flashed his lights that it was a cop. I had trouble moving over to the right lane to merge off because of the right lane traffic.
I was very polite and had the radio off and my license and registration ready when he came to the window. I referred to him as a fucker because he told me "you do have an excellent record. Here's your ticket" with a smile. I didn't call him a fucker to his face.
The campaign obviously hasn't made it to my side of the state yet. If it has, I've never seen a sign or heard a commercial for it.
Some people drive over the speed limit and some drive under it. He never made mention about my speed. If that was a problem for him he certainly would have cited me for that too, I'm sure. He told me that they were "the stay right" law in force that weekend.
Maybe I used the wrong choice of words when I said I didn't deserve it. I didn't mean to sound entitled. I hate entitled people. I still think he could have given me a warning. He knew where I lived. He probably knew that the chances of me driving 4 hours to fight were slim to none.
It is what it is.
Cindy
And I am going to maintain that 40 years without a ticket or accident could have warranted a warning.
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Post by quiltz on Apr 26, 2016 2:15:29 GMT
To answer some questions.... I was on the west side of the state. Grand Rapids. I live two hours east of Grand Rapids. There is no campaign for that law where I live contrary to what the cop said. Everyone I told about this was shocked to hear that it was a ticketable offense and had never heard "the campaign". Even the attorney I work for thought I was joking when I told him about it. I was passing traffic in the right lane. I was going with the speed flow of traffic in the left lane. I couldn't tell when I looked in my rear view mirror that it was a cop cycle. He was at least a car length behind me and it probably wasn't a mile and a half that he followed me. . I couldn't tell until he pulled up to my bumper and flashed his lights that it was a cop. I had trouble moving over to the right lane to merge off because of the right lane traffic. I was very polite and had the radio off and my license and registration ready when he came to the window. I referred to him as a fucker because he told me "you do have an excellent record. Here's your ticket" with a smile. I didn't call him a fucker to his face. The campaign obviously hasn't made it to my side of the state yet. If it has, I've never seen a sign or heard a commercial for it. Some people drive over the speed limit and some drive under it. He never made mention about my speed. If that was a problem for him he certainly would have cited me for that too, I'm sure. He told me that they were "the stay right" law in force that weekend. Maybe I used the wrong choice of words when I said I didn't deserve it. I didn't mean to sound entitled. I hate entitled people. I still think he could have given me a warning. He knew where I lived. He probably knew that the chances of me driving 4 hours to fight were slim to none. It is what it is. Cindy And I am going to maintain that 40 years without a ticket or accident could have warranted a warning. However, you got a ticket. Life goes on.
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Post by tincin on Apr 26, 2016 2:24:00 GMT
Sort of a spin off but I remember years ago when a state in the DC area (can't remember which) had signs posted when you entered the state saying how much the fines were for each mile you went over the limit. For instance 1-5 miles over was $X00.00, the sign was headlined with "Drive as Fast as You Can Afford" or something like that. I loved it and I drove 5 over the entire time I drove in the state, I could afford it.
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Post by cmpeter on Apr 26, 2016 3:18:05 GMT
This is the law in WA...
I have seen this somewhere too and thought the same thing...that the fine for going 5-10 miles over the speed limit was low enough that it wouldn't be a deterrent to anyone. But, it wasn't in the DC area, I have never driven there. TX or AR maybe?
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Post by shaniam on Apr 26, 2016 3:30:38 GMT
That does suck. I gotta say though one of my pet peeves is having to pass someone on the right side.
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Post by molove on Apr 26, 2016 4:43:02 GMT
Never change, peas. Never change.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 26, 2016 5:02:18 GMT
Well, this has been a very interesting thread. I opened it up early on, saw the OP's completely disrespectful references to a law enforcement officer doing his job, and walked out again. But I came back based on the spin-off thread, and actually I've learned a lot here. This is not the law in California, as far as I know, but I'll be looking up exactly what the CVC does say. But it IS the law that you can't cruise in the far left lane (aka the number one lane) holding up traffic behind you that wants to go faster, no matter what speed you're going. So now that I understand the purpose and workings of this passing-lane law, it makes total sense. Even if California doesn't call it a passing lane, it functions the same way. You need to be going faster than the number two lane, and you need to not be holding up anyone behind you. I think the people who are outraged by it don't understand how it works. It doesn't mean "you can't drive in this lane unless you're actually passing someone" or "we're subtracting one lane of traffic and causing yet more congestion," it means "only the fastest traffic belongs in this lane ... everyone else move over one lane." I like it! OP, a perfect driving record is not an entitlement. You lost your right to yours when you broke the law. I don't understand your insistence that you should have gotten a warning instead. What the heck? A warning is a gift, not a given, and not in any way tied to your past driving record that I've ever heard of. And I don't like it when people talk about cops just doing their job the way you did. Except it happened in a jurisdiction that had a well publicised campaign to education drivers on the law and let them know LEO would be ticketing drivers. If you are forcing another car to slow down or pass you on the right side, you are impeding traffic. Forcing traffic to slow down to a speed already above the speed limit - not impeding traffic.
Honestly, people who do it tend to piss me off but, legally, I think you can make an argument.
The distinction is irrelevant, at least in California. The law is that if there is room for you to pull over (a lane to the right, or a pullout at the side of the road) you don't hold up traffic gathering behind you, whether they're speeding or not. Their speeding is a separate issue that may also be addressed, but it isn't your place to hold them up. If you are holding them up, you are impeding traffic. Ironic or not.
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Post by tduby1 on Apr 26, 2016 10:06:14 GMT
She noticed the motorcycle. She didn't know it was a police officer, is what she said. They are not common in our part of the state, if they even exist. I have never seen one and don't know if I would recognize one.
Doesn't matter. She was impeding traffic. She should have moved. Laws aside...it's rude. Cop or no cop. I wasn't arguing that. I was answering someone question why she didn't realize it was an officer.
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Post by compeateropeator on Apr 26, 2016 11:10:22 GMT
The law isn't there for places and times where there is gridlock and heavy traffic. It's there for open freeway driving where traffic is moving at or above posted speeds. Fair enough. I still think it's a stupid law that creates more trouble than it's worth. Stay in your lane, go the right speed and stop changing lanes every two seconds. If everyone did that, things would flow much more efficiently. Passing lanes just encourage more lane changes, which create more accidents, which creates more gridlock. Even in free flowing areas. I don't know how many times I've experience a three lane highway reduced to a crawl because one lane is taken out. Usually because of bad lane changes because slow drivers aren't doing the speed of traffic. Get rid of the slow drivers and there's no need for passing. As others have said typically it is not a law that would be actively ticketed for in gridlocked or heavy traffic areas. The problem comes with cruising traffic. When all of the lanes are bumper to bumper there is obviously not one lane sitting open idle because people would be using it to pass, that is silly to even think that. I think in cruising traffic, one person is causing a gridlock is far more dangerous than changing lanes. Our speed limit on the interstates is 45 - 65 miles per hour. So someone who is going 45 is going a legal limit, (I can't even imaging that...hahaha) but incredibly slow. You can't just "get rid of slow drivers". If that is all they are comfortable going to force them to go 65 is much more dangerous, and to then say well they just shouldn't drive is even more ridiculous. There are multiple lanes so that most are able to travel on it. If more people would learn how to drive on the interstate and would engage in common sense and common courtesy they would be a lot less dangerous. I see this topic is going the way that the merging on to the interstate one did. Driving etiquette and rules are right up there with politics and religion. ETA. I should have read further before posting this because many peas explained so much better. ETA2 - I am glad someone else remembered that merging on thread...hahaha.
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Post by Florida Cindy on Apr 26, 2016 11:40:03 GMT
Laws change in every state, at least 1x a year. I'm a nerd who researches the changes in laws every year. Is it worth your time to research the changes or get a ticket?
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Post by whipea on Apr 26, 2016 12:24:48 GMT
I was going to stay out of this but just can't. My DH is a law enforcement officer and I work in the field too in training, education and research. As mentioned by others the officer was doing his job. At least when he stopped OP, she stated she was polite and did not pull a sawed off shotgun and blow his face off or run him over with her car. With this in mind no stop is just for grins or just because they are "fuckers". Thank you.
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Post by cade387 on Apr 26, 2016 12:36:33 GMT
To answer some questions.... I was on the west side of the state. Grand Rapids. I live two hours east of Grand Rapids. There is no campaign for that law where I live contrary to what the cop said. Everyone I told about this was shocked to hear that it was a ticketable offense and had never heard "the campaign". Even the attorney I work for thought I was joking when I told him about it. I was passing traffic in the right lane. I was going with the speed flow of traffic in the left lane. I couldn't tell when I looked in my rear view mirror that it was a cop cycle. He was at least a car length behind me and it probably wasn't a mile and a half that he followed me. . I couldn't tell until he pulled up to my bumper and flashed his lights that it was a cop. I had trouble moving over to the right lane to merge off because of the right lane traffic. I was very polite and had the radio off and my license and registration ready when he came to the window. I referred to him as a fucker because he told me "you do have an excellent record. Here's your ticket" with a smile. I didn't call him a fucker to his face. The campaign obviously hasn't made it to my side of the state yet. If it has, I've never seen a sign or heard a commercial for it. Some people drive over the speed limit and some drive under it. He never made mention about my speed. If that was a problem for him he certainly would have cited me for that too, I'm sure. He told me that they were "the stay right" law in force that weekend. Maybe I used the wrong choice of words when I said I didn't deserve it. I didn't mean to sound entitled. I hate entitled people. I still think he could have given me a warning. He knew where I lived. He probably knew that the chances of me driving 4 hours to fight were slim to none. It is what it is. Cindy And I am going to maintain that 40 years without a ticket or accident could have warranted a warning. Not sure where you are from but the campaign is all over SE Michigan in the Tri-county area too (Oakland/Wayne/Macomb). I realize that 2 hours from GR could be several places, but I know they have ticketed several folks along I-96 near Brighton and I-94 near the airport as well.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 26, 2016 12:57:32 GMT
Well, this has been a very interesting thread. I opened it up early on, saw the OP's completely disrespectful references to a law enforcement officer doing his job, and walked out again. But I came back based on the spin-off thread, and actually I've learned a lot here. This is not the law in California, as far as I know, but I'll be looking up exactly what the CVC does say. But it IS the law that you can't cruise in the far left lane (aka the number one lane) holding up traffic behind you that wants to go faster, no matter what speed you're going. So now that I understand the purpose and workings of this passing-lane law, it makes total sense. Even if California doesn't call it a passing lane, it functions the same way. You need to be going faster than the number two lane, and you need to not be holding up anyone behind you. I think the people who are outraged by it don't understand how it works. It doesn't mean "you can't drive in this lane unless you're actually passing someone" or "we're subtracting one lane of traffic and causing yet more congestion," it means "only the fastest traffic belongs in this lane ... everyone else move over one lane." I like it! OP, a perfect driving record is not an entitlement. You lost your right to yours when you broke the law. I don't understand your insistence that you should have gotten a warning instead. What the heck? A warning is a gift, not a given, and not in any way tied to your past driving record that I've ever heard of. And I don't like it when people talk about cops just doing their job the way you did. Forcing traffic to slow down to a speed already above the speed limit - not impeding traffic.
Honestly, people who do it tend to piss me off but, legally, I think you can make an argument.
The distinction is irrelevant, at least in California. The law is that if there is room for you to pull over (a lane to the right, or a pullout at the side of the road) you don't hold up traffic gathering behind you, whether they're speeding or not. Their speeding is a separate issue that may also be addressed, but it isn't your place to hold them up. If you are holding them up, you are impeding traffic. Ironic or not. I don't think it's irrelevant to the discussion (otherwise, I wouldn't be discussing it). Sure, she's going to have to pay the ticket but, again, I find giving a ticket for impeding traffic when she's going over the limit illogical. Improper lane usage and speeding, I could get behind. Calling her violation 'impeding traffic' just doesn't make sense to me because it gives implicit approval to those who are speeding to get around her.
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Post by momof3pits on Apr 26, 2016 13:33:59 GMT
To answer some questions.... I was on the west side of the state. Grand Rapids. I live two hours east of Grand Rapids. There is no campaign for that law where I live contrary to what the cop said. Everyone I told about this was shocked to hear that it was a ticketable offense and had never heard "the campaign". Even the attorney I work for thought I was joking when I told him about it. I was passing traffic in the right lane. I was going with the speed flow of traffic in the left lane. I couldn't tell when I looked in my rear view mirror that it was a cop cycle. He was at least a car length behind me and it probably wasn't a mile and a half that he followed me. . I couldn't tell until he pulled up to my bumper and flashed his lights that it was a cop. I had trouble moving over to the right lane to merge off because of the right lane traffic. I was very polite and had the radio off and my license and registration ready when he came to the window. I referred to him as a fucker because he told me "you do have an excellent record. Here's your ticket" with a smile. I didn't call him a fucker to his face. The campaign obviously hasn't made it to my side of the state yet. If it has, I've never seen a sign or heard a commercial for it. Some people drive over the speed limit and some drive under it. He never made mention about my speed. If that was a problem for him he certainly would have cited me for that too, I'm sure. He told me that they were "the stay right" law in force that weekend. Maybe I used the wrong choice of words when I said I didn't deserve it. I didn't mean to sound entitled. I hate entitled people. I still think he could have given me a warning. He knew where I lived. He probably knew that the chances of me driving 4 hours to fight were slim to none. It is what it is. Cindy And I am going to maintain that 40 years without a ticket or accident could have warranted a warning. Not sure where you are from but the campaign is all over SE Michigan in the Tri-county area too (Oakland/Wayne/Macomb). I realize that 2 hours from GR could be several places, but I know they have ticketed several folks along I-96 near Brighton and I-94 near the airport as well. I'm located in SE Michigan and haven't heard a thing about this "campaign."
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 26, 2016 13:58:45 GMT
I don't like driving in the right lane on our highway because there are so many on and off ramps and people can't figure out how to merge on or get off. I would be in big trouble! OP, can you go to court over the ticket? My sister got her first ticket and she went to court, the officer didn't show up, the judge saw her record and dismissed it if she didn't get another ticket in the next six months. This is me. I'm not from the city, and driving in it terrifies me. I feel much safer staying in the left lane than going back & forth all the time.
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Post by cindosha on Apr 26, 2016 15:23:15 GMT
I'm in Grand Blanc, near Flint..i listen to the radio all day long at work and have never heard a commercial. have never seen one on tv either. maybe it's coming....
Cindy
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Post by lucyg on Apr 26, 2016 15:32:28 GMT
I was going to stay out of this but just can't. My DH is a law enforcement officer and I work in the field too in training, education and research. As mentioned by others the officer was doing his job. At least when he stopped OP, she stated she was polite and did not pull a sawed off shotgun and blow his face off or run him over with her car. With this in mind no stop is just for grins or just because they are "fuckers". Thank you. ^^^^^I wish I could like this post 1,000 times.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Apr 26, 2016 15:39:21 GMT
My aunt (who is 71) has been pulled over 2 separate times by 2 different state policemen for going to slow on a highway. Each time she's told them she spent 49 years as an ER nurse and knows what speeding does to people. Both times the policemen had told her, if she is unable to drive the posted speed limit, she has no business driving on the highway. They are right. I have a friend who is an officer for the state police. He will tell you that regardless of the posted speed limit, that if you're the slowest car in the left hand lane, you're impeding traffic and should be moving over. I'm a left hand driver. It's the lane I'm most comfortable driving in. However, knowing it's the "high speed/passing" lane I am very aware of every car around me. No WAY is a cop going to be behind me without me knowing it. Also, any time I see a car closer than 3 car lengths behind me, I'm moving over to let them pass. But I'm a masshole so take what I say on driving with a grain of salt
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