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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 22:22:50 GMT
While the numbers are in the "must be nice" range, and it may seem hard to feel sympathetic, the flip side is that he's had a dramatic drop in income and I think anyone experiencing a major drop finds it challenging to adjust.
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Post by lucyg on May 3, 2016 22:27:56 GMT
I don't get why you people are so opposed to alimony. My dad paid my mom till he retired, and then she got a settlement from his estate when he died. My sister is getting divorced right now, and she'll be getting a generous settlement and/or alimony (I hope). She has an MBA and used to make a lot of money, but she also is close to 60 and you tell me how easy it is for a woman that age to get a good job. More to the point, though, she has a brain injury (indirectly caused by him) that makes it impossible to do the kind of executive work she used to do. She might be able to work in a bookstore or something, if she can stick with it. Also, he is a very rich man. He can support her for the rest of her life, as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem with the spouse who makes a lot of money sharing it with the spouse who doesn't. Permanently, if the circumstances support it (age, length of marriage, disability, gross abundance of available funds etc.). ETA I also don't have a problem with the amount being lowered over the years, if circumstances such as reduced income warrant it.
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Post by ladytrisha on May 3, 2016 22:28:15 GMT
my ex-sil has had to pay her husband alimony & child support. He was the house husband and stayed home while her career flourished. Sadly, she needed to divorce him when she stopped liking him (8 years) and she would have escaped free, but she stayed in it for 15 years and that meant she was on the hook. The calculator at court said she'd have to pay him something like $6200/month but they settled on a lower figure - but the fact he gets child support when he doesn't even see the kids pisses me off no end. She has worked really hard to get where she is and he has ample opportunity to work (movies/tv stuff) but when she mentioned going to court he said he'd just quit. He's a piece of work. Her alimony has a fixed end date - and she discovered the other day that the attorneys miscalculated so she gets to end it 3 years earlier than he thinks. Booyah!
(This is the same guy who walked away from his mother leaving us to deal with the Alzheimer's mess - Karma is quite fun sometimes) LOL
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Post by inkedup on May 3, 2016 22:28:35 GMT
David Hasselhoff has filed to get his $21,000 monthly alimony payment to his ex cancelled, claiming he has only $600 in the bank and can't live off his monthly income if he has to support her. According to this artcle, based on his court filing, his monthly income averages $112,000 and his outgoing expenses are $72,000 which leaves $40,000. It isn't clear if the alimony is included in his monthly expenses, so let's take it out and, in a worst case scenario, he is left with $19,000. Am I wrong in hoping the judge denies his petition? But, by the same token, I have to wonder why his ex can't scrape by on less than $21k a month.
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Post by myshelly on May 3, 2016 22:31:01 GMT
Not being able to live off of $19,000 does seem a little out of touch with reality. But I have question and I am sincere. What is alimony awarded for? Of all the people that I know who are divorced including me no one gets alimony. It was never discussed by the lawyers. It depends on the state. Some states don't have alimony. That may be why your lawyers never even discussed it.
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Post by oldcrow on May 3, 2016 22:32:40 GMT
I would have been really good at being rich. Jen Yes, me too.
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Post by lucyg on May 3, 2016 22:34:41 GMT
my ex-sil has had to pay her husband alimony & child support. He was the house husband and stayed home while her career flourished. Sadly, she needed to divorce him when she stopped liking him (8 years) and she would have escaped free, but she stayed in it for 15 years and that meant she was on the hook. The calculator at court said she'd have to pay him something like $6200/month but they settled on a lower figure - but the fact he gets child support when he doesn't even see the kids pisses me off no end. She has worked really hard to get where she is and he has ample opportunity to work (movies/tv stuff) but when she mentioned going to court he said he'd just quit. He's a piece of work. Her alimony has a fixed end date - and she discovered the other day that the attorneys miscalculated so she gets to end it 3 years earlier than he thinks. Booyah! (This is the same guy who walked away from his mother leaving us to deal with the Alzheimer's mess - Karma is quite fun sometimes) LOL Why is he getting child support if he doesn't have the kids? That shouldn't be tied to his having been home with the kids during their marriage.
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Post by oldcrow on May 3, 2016 22:42:43 GMT
I don't get why you people are so opposed to alimony. My dad paid my mom till he retired, and then she got a settlement from his estate when he died. My sister is getting divorced right now, and she'll be getting a generous settlement and/or alimony (I hope). She has an MBA and used to make a lot of money, but she also is close to 60 and you tell me how easy it is for a woman that age to get a good job. More to the point, though, she has a brain injury (indirectly caused by him) that makes it impossible to do the kind of executive work she used to do. She might be able to work in a bookstore or something, if she can stick with it. Also, he is a very rich man. He can support her for the rest of her life, as far as I'm concerned. I have no problem with the spouse who makes a lot of money sharing it with the spouse who doesn't. Permanently, if the circumstances support it (age, length of marriage, disability, gross abundance of available funds etc.). ETA I also don't have a problem with the amount being lowered over the years, if circumstances such as reduced income warrant it. Oh, I hope you did not think that I am against alimony because I'm not. I just did not understand what it is and why it is awarded. In my case and all that I know of there is a lump sum settlement made at the time of the divorce and a claim can be made to receive part of retirement monies. We, of course, had no pre-nup.
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Post by ladytrisha on May 3, 2016 22:44:13 GMT
Why is he getting child support if he doesn't have the kids? That shouldn't be tied to his having been home with the kids during their marriage. I first thought it was a continuation of her wimping out. Then I figured out that the child support has a faster end date (end of HS or 18 - their daughter has a Jan birthday so she's 18 now). As soon as they graduate she can stop paying it. So I think her attorney found a way around the huge alimony payment by splitting it this way. I've repeatedly told her to take him back to court, but she says that 3 year mistake will be worth it to her LOL
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Post by justkaren on May 3, 2016 22:46:41 GMT
Not being able to live off of $19,000 does seem a little out of touch with reality. But I have question and I am sincere. What is alimony awarded for? Of all the people that I know who are divorced including me no one gets alimony. It was never discussed by the lawyers. From what little I know, alimony is paid to the (typically) woman in cases where she may be a SAHM or earning well below him. It is often for half the length of the marriage if over 10 years and meant to give her time to get back on her feet, etc. It is often stopped if she remarries. (Traditionally), it is often the woman who gives up career opportunities to provide for the children so this is a way to help her while she gets current. Yes, there is a very old fashioned view of it so I could be way off current times. Just a bit of info. from what I know or hear. In my case, I was a SAHM for most of our marriage and at the time of the divorce (and currently), he makes almost 10x my yearly salary. In the state of MI there isn't a ln alimony calculator (like there is for child support), but the rule of thumb is one third of the married years. There was some sort of a point system based on education, age, current employment, etc. that helps determine the alimony amount. I feel I'm due the $ and I deserve it after 16 years of marriage. I don't expect to live the life I had during marriage (and there is no way I can), but I do deserve to live somewhat comfortably. It does end after a certain period of time and if I were to marry before payments are done, the alimony is done. Pressure is on me to earn/save enough money before payments are done so that I can live comfortably when I'm financially on my own.
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Post by M~ on May 3, 2016 22:51:13 GMT
For some people, 19k a month is not a lot, for some it's a huge amount. Shrug.
I kinda feel sorry for the man. If it's true that the x has her own production company and is financially stable, then it should stop at some point. She also had a hand in making the decision to not work. That's part of the consequence of doing so. But mostly, I feel that if she's back on her feet financially, it should stop.
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Post by marimoose on May 3, 2016 23:03:32 GMT
Yeah, while I can laugh at the fact that he's not able to live off of $19,000 a month, I do question an ex having to support their ex so lavishly and especially if they aren't having to take care of the kids anymore. I think it depends on the agreement. My dh and I agreed I would stay home and care for the kids while he grew in his career. He has indeed, and I will never come remotely close to his salary, even if I work well past retirement age and with my education. So lets say in smaller numbers (made up here for ease of discussion) that he made 200,000 a year as a result of all the support he had at home while I was home raising our kids. Then I go back to work and while I can support myself I only make 50000 a year. Now I can live on 50K, a lot of people do. But after 20 years of marriage, should I have to go back to living in a much smaller home, unable to take vacations, etc. while he now supports only himself on that 200K? We were partners in the decision and in the growth of that career, so do I really not deserve some part of that salary if he divorces me? I can see both sides of this argument, but if the agreement was made together (and usually they make this stuff go into their prenups I think), then she should get the money. I don't know how long that should last post-divorce, but if she put her career on hold in any capacity in order for him to build his, maybe that's not such a bad thing that he shares in that wealth. Maybe if she gave it up for 15 years, she should get 15 years in alimony. But the reality is that she has a lot of lost time she can never get back in terms of work growth and earning potential. It doesn't matter if it's 1 million or 100000, it's still about the lifestyle and the agreement. I totally agree. If I were to divorce I would be in the same situation. And I don't know what there situation is/was but if you take the numbers out and look at the situation, I think it should be treated the same as if one of us "common folk" divorced. Fair is fair. If you do look at the money, no matter what, it is hard to feel sorry for him at all.
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Post by mlynn on May 3, 2016 23:12:00 GMT
Not being able to live off of $19,000 does seem a little out of touch with reality. But I have question and I am sincere. What is alimony awarded for? Of all the people that I know who are divorced including me no one gets alimony. It was never discussed by the lawyers. Circa 1980, XH's parents divorced. She had MS and he had to pay alimony.
A couple of years ago DH's sister got divorced. XBIL had been fired or laid off. He had had a heart valve replacement. She ended up with all the debt because she was the only one working. Plus she has to pay him alimony.
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