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Post by gar on May 7, 2016 9:45:16 GMT
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Post by katiejane on May 7, 2016 9:45:38 GMT
I think as a parent of a younger kid the boaty discussion made them interested in finding out more about the work the ships do. It has been a big discussion in school and at home. My kids are so disappointed that it has a different name. Not because they don't appreciate who Attenborough is or his legacy, but because they felt boaty belonged to them. I am pleased that there will be a boaty, and can see that engaging people and kids.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 7, 2016 9:53:51 GMT
Oh yes, definitely the best of both worlds! Boaty is the perfect name for the robotic sub sea vehicle this ship carries - and the Royal Navy won't now have to find a nickname for it because 'Boaty' is the perfect one!
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Post by jennyap on May 7, 2016 11:25:41 GMT
I'm delighted that the ship has been named after David Attenborough, but really pleased that they are still using Boaty McBoatface. (Not something I've ever thought about before, but I wonder if the Queen approves the names of ships with a Royal designation?)
I really believe that the BBC produces some of the best wildlife programming in the world, and Attenborough is a huge part of that. (Steve Irwin, who I'd bet most Peas are familiar with, was apparently greatly influenced by Sir David). For those who don't know his work, if you have any interest in wildlife/natural history I'd really encourage you to find something to watch. He's done so much it's hard to pick out one thing in particular to recommend, but maybe I can narrow it down to two - very recently there was The Great Barrier Reef. Not only really interesting but gives an idea of the length of Attenborough's career, and how awesome he still is. Or going way back (to 1979!) there is Life on Earth. Episode 12 especially has some magical - and very famous - scenes. Perhaps they wouldn't seem remarkable now, but 37 years ago it was groundbreaking.
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Post by raindancer on May 7, 2016 11:43:27 GMT
I actually disagree. I think that they should have run with it. If they had they could have had a huge twitter and Facebook following, and really gathered a lot of attention for the work they are doing. It was an awesome opportunity to create a fun and exciting way to grab public attention around the globe, engage kids in the reseatch, encourage science and learning for all. Merchanidising, children's books, etc. Could have added to research funding, which is always needed. Disappointing decision, IMO, because frankly now no one will care about this vessel and the work they are doing. What a shame. I disagree. The title of the ship is actually RRS (Royal Research Ship) Sir David Attenborough and it follows ships named Ernest Shackleton, James Cook and Discovery. These ships work with Royal Navy vessels, currently HMS Protector, to provide logistics and scientific support to the British Antarctic Survey. To run with the suggested name would have just made it into a complete farce, a big joke! The people who serve on these ships for up to a year at a time and on the Survey team don't deserve that! These ships do research on behalf of our Government so no contribution to funding from a commercial source could be accepted anyway. Naming the new ship RRS Sir David Attenborough honours one of the UK's favourite and well loved Naturalists on his 90th birthday. In my opinion, it's an apt and fitting name for the new ship joining the Royal Research Ship fleet. And a lot of us here do care about these ships and the work they are doing and the media report on the work they are doing! I meant in the global sense. I realize to you it's a good name and maybe you hear about the research all the time. But I can tell you that American interest has now been lost. And that's totally fine. You don't have to do things for us, but I think for a global impact particularly for children, it's a lost opportunity. I know who it's named for. And I think it's a nice honor. But as a scientist I was hopeful for the outreach and interest this brought to real research.I'm hopeful that the sub drives that interest in a similar manner. I feel like scientists cannot afford to be hidden behind cultural and geographical boundaries. If no one else will come together to promote knowledge and discovery and it's benefits to humanity as a whole, we owe that to the world. Scientists should not be worried about the governments, and independent monies can be extremely useful to that pursuit, because it frees us from political motivations. When government money is how research goes on you are always going to introduce bias. And that's something we should all be very concerned about.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 7, 2016 11:46:11 GMT
I wonder if the Queen approves the names of ships with a Royal designation?) A Warrant signed by The Queen is needed before any ship can be designated Royal Research Ship but I don't suppose she necessarily has to like the name as the application is put to her by a Government minister.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 7, 2016 13:17:21 GMT
But I can tell you that American interest has now been lost. I honestly don't believe that real American interest in the ship would have been maintained even if they had gone with that name. It's a British research vessel with British interests and areas as projects and under normal circumstances, like our other research vessels, will not warrant many column inches, air time or education time in the US when she starts operations in the future because it will not be of any relevance or interest to children and the general public in the USA. You have your own research vessels. We in the UK, schoolchildren and general public, do not hear anything about the United States Antarctic Program projects or vessels or your NOAAA vessels and projects etc., under normal circumstances. I can't see one vessel with a jokey name anything like the one suggested in the list of US Research Vessel names for instance but maybe you will get one in the future to help with scientific education now that we have decided against it. Just my opinion of course! Not scientific but I do care hugely about our Royal Navy and vessels crewed by Naval personnel. Naming the robotic sub sea vessel 'Boaty' that the RRS Sir David Attenborough will carry is perfect. These little craft always acquire nicknames and this one will have a ready made nickname! Whether it makes any impact on the scientific education of children here or anywhere, remains to be seen.
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Post by joelise on May 7, 2016 14:15:08 GMT
I'm happy with the name change  Sir David Attenborough was my grandma's second cousin.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 7, 2016 14:41:56 GMT
On my car radio yesterday I heard both UK stories: the Boaty/Attenborough story and the story about the Muslim man being elected mayor of London. Among all the other news (Trump! Trump! Did I mention Trump?!), these were a welcome respite. Keep them coming, please.
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Post by raindancer on May 8, 2016 0:19:26 GMT
But I can tell you that American interest has now been lost. I honestly don't believe that real American interest in the ship would have been maintained even if they had gone with that name. It's a British research vessel with British interests and areas as projects and under normal circumstances, like our other research vessels, will not warrant many column inches, air time or education time in the US when she starts operations in the future because it will not be of any relevance or interest to children and the general public in the USA. You have your own research vessels. We in the UK, schoolchildren and general public, do not hear anything about the United States Antarctic Program projects or vessels or your NOAAA vessels and projects etc., under normal circumstances. I can't see one vessel with a jokey name anything like the one suggested in the list of US Research Vessel names for instance but maybe you will get one in the future to help with scientific education now that we have decided against it. Just my opinion of course! Not scientific but I do care hugely about our Royal Navy and vessels crewed by Naval personnel. Naming the robotic sub sea vessel 'Boaty' that the RRS Sir David Attenborough will carry is perfect. These little craft always acquire nicknames and this one will have a ready made nickname! Whether it makes any impact on the scientific education of children here or anywhere, remains to be seen. Well I think you proved my point. There shouldn't be a "British" interest or a "USA" interest when it comes to research for the planet. It SHOULD warrant column inches, and air time in a global context. All science should. It impacts every single person on the planet. And more people should care about it. Getting our panties in a wad over if a name is "jokey" is precisely why, we need to stop taking ourselves so damn serious, it's less important than getting people to give a damn about science. Clearly, we have a HUGE disconnect between researchers and the general public. Getting off our damn high horses and breaking out from under the political pressure that suppress discovery is vital to understanding the world we live in, and the more we open it up and stop acting like it's some big sacred thing, the more normal it will become and the further we will go. It's not a US vs. British thing. It's not about culture or your navy or our navy. Nor should it. Once it does become about that, we've lost something. An opportunity. A connection. A bridge. And for what? So we can look down our collective noses and say "Silly peasants who just don't understand how important the work is!" What the hell good is the work when people in the general public (here, there, everywhere) are basically scientifically illiterate?
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 8, 2016 10:25:22 GMT
raindancer, I didn't say that research itself isn't shared globally, doesn't become common knowledge or part of education. I said the vessels or methods involved and names of people doing the research rarely impact, or are of interest to, the general public so wouldn't attract media coverage in the years ahead in the US anyway, jokey name or not! It's the subject of the research which gets media coverage. In this particular case, the ship is still being built and won't enter service until 2019......by then very few people will even remember the discussion about a name, and in five, six, seven years time when completed research results start coming it will be history and have been forgotten altogether! It will be at the very least ten years before any of the results from that research reach High School classrooms. As a scientist you know that a lot of research projects now involve scientists from around the world and the results of that research are shared, particularly about Planet Earth. What does not usually impact with the vast majority of people is the names of those involved in the research or the name of the project, no matter what it is called. A while ago, my husband did several eight month voyages in the Pacific with a large team of international scientists on British ships with very memorable names. Today the research they did is an established part of the shared pool on that subject but there are very few people who could name where the research took place or what the project was called! And of course there are going to be UK this, US that, Canadian this, Australian that, New Zealand this things about science or anything else........! The only way of that not happening would be a world happy to have common funding with no country name attached to it and everyone having an equal say - and that doesn't look like a possibility any time soon! Anyway, I think we have to agree to differ on this. Oh, and by the way, no panties wadding here, just not my style.
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Post by raindancer on May 8, 2016 11:40:31 GMT
raindancer, I didn't say that research itself isn't shared globally, doesn't become common knowledge or part of education. I said the vessels or methods involved and names of people doing the research rarely impact, or are of interest to, the general public so wouldn't attract media coverage in the years ahead in the US anyway, jokey name or not! It's the subject of the research which gets media coverage. In this particular case, the ship is still being built and won't enter service until 2019......by then very few people will even remember the discussion about a name, and in five, six, seven years time when completed research results start coming it will be history and have been forgotten altogether! It will be at the very least ten years before any of the results from that research reach High School classrooms. As a scientist you know that a lot of research projects now involve scientists from around the world and the results of that research are shared, particularly about Planet Earth. What does not usually impact with the vast majority of people is the names of those involved in the research or the name of the project, no matter what it is called. A while ago, my husband did several eight month voyages in the Pacific with a large team of international scientists on British ships with very memorable names. Today the research they did is an established part of the shared pool on that subject but there are very few people who could name where the research took place or what the project was called! And of course there are going to be UK this, US that, Canadian this, Australian that, New Zealand this things about science or anything else........! The only way of that not happening would be a world happy to have common funding with no country name attached to it and everyone having an equal say - and that doesn't look like a possibility any time soon! Anyway, I think we have to agree to differ on this. Oh, and by the way, no panties wadding here, just not my style. I don't think we are disagreeing, rather I think we are talking over each other. Either way. It doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 14:20:32 GMT
The only way that ship is going to stay in the news is if they make Prince George and Princess Charlotte honorary crew members.
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