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Post by jumperhop on May 18, 2016 14:06:38 GMT
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on May 18, 2016 14:06:45 GMT
I called for an extension, because I was a SAHM, with no child care, and I chose not to bottle feed my children. I was told "how nice, you have 6 weeks get wean your child, and find a baby sitter. Your civic duties out trump your mommy duties". My MIL received a summons 2 weeks after my FIL passed away, after being his main care giver, on home hospice. MIL told them she needed some time to clear her head, before she could serve. They told her her date was 8 weeks away. "Plenty of time to gather herself." I think you need to change your attitude. Your MIL asked for a deferment and was granted one. You got one as well and your husband could have taken one day off from work while you went to go serve and act in a way to make sure you weren't picked. Jury duty is inconvenient for a lot of people, but you have to do it. They don't have time to listen to everyone's excuses in detail. Neither of us were given a deferment, and my DH took unpaid time off ,so I could show up for duty., not knowing how long it would last.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 18, 2016 14:07:46 GMT
Where do you live? Where I live they pull from other sources besides just voter registration and I've found the process pretty accommodating. You are able to defer service if you have a conflict and I found they were pretty good about excusing people if it was a hardship for them to serve.
It's your son's decision, but I think he should register to vote - especially for such an important election. There is no guarantee that he will even be chosen for jury duty. If he has a conflict he can defer or show up and explain his situation. I can't imagine the school would punish him for serving jury duty.
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Post by tincin on May 18, 2016 14:11:11 GMT
Jury duty is not a punishment. It may not be a punishment but it can be dang inconvenient sometimes. OP, if I lived in your area I'd be seeing what I could do to change your system there. Who ever heard of a nursing mother being required to do jury duty? Or being told to "get over" grief, or "wean your baby"? Seriously? Someone in that court system needs to retire. As for what your son should do -- I remember my own kids' excitement to vote for the first time, and this would be a great election to start one's voting record with... So I don't know. Yeah, not too helpful, sorry. Plenty of women work full time and breast feed infants. Not having a baby sitter is not a viable excuse when you are given several weeks to get one. As far as her mother goes, where I work we get 5 paid days off for losing a spouse and then they expect you back at work. So a couple of months after losing your spouse doesn't seem like an excuse they should take either. Harsh? Perhaps but in the real world every has problems and inconveniences they have to deal with to serve on juries. Deal with it.
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Post by jumperhop on May 18, 2016 14:16:00 GMT
You are overthinking this. How many times have you heard of a high school senior life being ruined by jury duty? Never! If this had happened before it would have been a topic of discussion hear on twopeas. And in all my years here I have never seen a, "Harvard wouldn't accept my son because he had to serve Jury duty." " My daughter lost her full ride scholarship to USC because she served Jury duty." "My sons high school wouldn't let him graduate because he missed school for jury duty. " You are creating a problem before it's an issue. Jen
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Post by bc2ca on May 18, 2016 14:27:49 GMT
You are really overthinking this. He can't be the first 18 year old senior to have registered to vote and faced possible jury duty in your school district.
At 18, the decision is his, but I would encourage my child to register to vote and show up for jury duty if called.
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Post by knit.pea on May 18, 2016 14:30:43 GMT
Interesting. I had not considered they could serve in HS.
Yes, if my DS had been called for the week of his AP exams (he took 4) that would have been monumental to him.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 18, 2016 14:38:20 GMT
I'm proud my son is so interested in our future and eager to vote. He's a Senior and went by himself to vote in our Primary after school. There is no way I'd start providing him with reasons to not vote, let alone not register. Some people complain about this uncaring, irresponsible generation- that would be encouraging it!
look at the unique essay opportunity it will provide if you are truly concerned about jury duty marring his college applications.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 18, 2016 14:38:56 GMT
"Getting called for jury duty could ruin everything I've worked for"I'm confused- how could having jury duty ruin everything? Ruin what-he might miss a few days of school but he can easily make up the work. There are cases that end up taking several weeks or even months to decide, and if the kid got picked to be on the jury for a case like that it could seriously impact their grades, sports, extra curriculars, everything. The odds of that happening are pretty low but it does happen. There have been stories in the news of people who got stuck on long term juries who lost jobs, their house, went bankrupt, etc. because they were out for so long without pay. Google it, it's crazy! After we moved I got something in the mail from the court and because I am the primary caregiver for our kid who at the time was a preschooler, I could call in and they would grant me an exemption for a while so that's what I did. DH is self employed (both of us are, but I'm PT and work from home) and we had no other options for full time care for our kid, and he couldn't afford to be off work to cover for me for any extended time. If he doesn't work, he doesn't get paid and if he doesn't get paid we can't pay our bills. That would definitely create a hardship. My mom got called up after she had fairly advanced Alzheimer's! There was no way she was fit to serve on a jury at that point and she was exempted after a I called in for her. She had already been called up multiple times prior to that in her lifetime and was picked for a couple cases, so she did her civic duty.
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Post by JustTricia on May 18, 2016 14:40:10 GMT
I'll validate your son. To a senior, working his ass off during practice and games for four years and not being able to play in a championship game because you get called for jury duty (not being in school that day could cause him to not be eligible to play) WOULD be a basketball career ruiner. If he gets called that week and has to miss the game, that is a lifetime experience that he would never be able to get back, it would be over forever. He could do his civic duty by serving on a jury any time.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 14:46:22 GMT
I'd tell my child to wait. In my county, you get called like clockwork. Usually when one member of the family gets called, the rest will follow shortly behind. It's our civic duty, but it's a huge inconvenience when you are called that frequently and incur lost wages each time.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 18, 2016 14:46:28 GMT
I think you're borrowing trouble. Every county has a deferment procedure. If he happens to be called the week of AP exams, defer (IN WRITING). The most likely scenario is it's some random week during the year and he'll call in the night before and they'll say they don't need him. Or he shows up some morning and explains it'd be impossible to serve on a 6 month capital murder trial as HE'S A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT!. No judge is going to seat him.
And if it was MY kid, and it did just happen to occur the week of of AP exams and they refused his deferment, and he called in the night before and he was suppose to show up - my kid would go to the AP exam. I'd have zero issue with him showing up if he's ever summoned with his AP schedule, written proof that he requested a deferment and explain to the judge why he was not able to show up for jury duty. My cousin missed jury duty when he was in the hospital. Shockingly the judge didn't throw him in jail or fine him when shown his medical records.
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Post by StephDRebel on May 18, 2016 14:52:23 GMT
I think this is a case of 'if you're always looking for problems you won't have a problem finding them '
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 18, 2016 14:54:35 GMT
Ok, I guess I'm an idiot, I didn't realize this was a hypothetical question. I thought he had actually been called for jury duty, and was deciding what to do!
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Post by giatocj on May 18, 2016 14:55:36 GMT
We can ask for one postponement of jury duty where I live. The new date is usually about 6 months later than the original.
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Post by delila on May 18, 2016 14:59:35 GMT
I wonder if the OP would be thinking the same way if her son needed a jury trial? If you are the defendant would you not want the jury members to want to be there & not see this as punishment? I think we all want a fair trail by our peers.....
Not that it matters but I love jury duty as feel as if it is my duty to do so. I feel as if it should be the law to show up at jury duty. If you can't make it then you will be fined.
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Post by luckyexwife on May 18, 2016 15:01:28 GMT
I'm surprised that jury duty rules are specific to each county. I guess I wrongly assumed that procedures and policies would be standard for all jury duty summons. I was called for jury duty when I was almost 9 months pregnant, so I asked to be excused due to pregnancy, and having a newborn. I was excused, and didn't have to show up.
My husband was called for jury duty during the busiest time of his work. He is self-employed, and if he doesn't work he doesn't get paid, and he's in danger of losing his contract. He wrote a letter explaining that, and asking if he could be put back in the rotation in a month or so when his business slows down and his job is a little more flexible. He also was excused, and has not yet been called back. Come to think of it, my youngest is 6, and I haven't been called back either.
OP ~ can you contact the school and ask what their policy is on jury duty? I can't imagine that the school would punish him for being on a jury.
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Post by *KAS* on May 18, 2016 15:06:23 GMT
I agree with those that saying you're just looking for a problem that doesn't even exist. When he turns 18, he should do what is most important to him. If voting in November is high on the list (which I assume by you saying he bought a Hillary shirt with his own money and him not liking Trump it is) then he should vote. If he's in school, he should be able to defer in writing. I understand that you and your MIL weren't given deferrals, but neither seems like a valid reason as much as being a high school student does. I mean, I understand it's harsh after what MIL went through, but it was two MONTHS after. That seems like a reasonable time to allow somebody to clear their head. Most people would have to be back at work before that. And as for a breastfeeding mother, if you were told to wean, that's ridiculous. But many working moms breastfeed when they go back to work when the child is almost 4 months old. They pump during the day. It's not unheard of. So you're worried that (a) he gets a summons and (b) has to actually go to court and (c) maybe has to spend one day there (b/c I highly doubt a judge and lawyers want to keep a high school senior out of class for long) and (d) it might be in the month of March when the championship basketball game is and (e) that it would count as an 'absence'? That seems like a lot of assumptions to possibly skip the election; the probability of any or all of those coming true are pretty slim. I'd table the worry until 2017 at a minimum.
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Post by STBC on May 18, 2016 15:15:43 GMT
I agree with those that saying you're just looking for a problem that doesn't even exist. When he turns 18, he should do what is most important to him. If voting in November is high on the list (which I assume by you saying he bought a Hillary shirt with his own money and him not liking Trump it is) then he should vote. If he's in school, he should be able to defer in writing. I understand that you and your MIL weren't given deferrals, but neither seems like a valid reason as much as being a high school student does. I mean, I understand it's harsh after what MIL went through, but it was two MONTHS after. That seems like a reasonable time to allow somebody to clear their head. Most people would have to be back at work before that. And as for a breastfeeding mother, if you were told to wean, that's ridiculous. But many working moms breastfeed when they go back to work when the child is almost 4 months old. They pump during the day. It's not unheard of. So you're worried that (a) he gets a summons and (b) has to actually go to court and (c) maybe has to spend one day there (b/c I highly doubt a judge and lawyers want to keep a high school senior out of class for long) and (d) it might be in the month of March when the championship basketball game is and (e) that it would count as an 'absence'? That seems like a lot of assumptions to possibly skip the election; the probability of any or all of those coming true are pretty slim. I'd table the worry until 2017 at a minimum. Nicely said and I totally agree.
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Post by mrssmith on May 18, 2016 15:17:31 GMT
I'd do it. Call and just double check the exemption possibilities just in case something has changed. I think our county used to be more lax and let people call/write about exemptions. Now they will give a 3 month deferral automatically if you call (you don't have to provide a reason), but then you DO have to show up 3 months later when they send you another notice. I did this when I was a primary caregiver. We also used to have a system where you call the morning of and listen if they do actually need you to come in. Do they call a lot of 18 y.o. HS students? That seems odd to me but I guess it can certainly happen.
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Post by tduby1 on May 18, 2016 16:19:47 GMT
I'm surprised that jury duty rules are specific to each county I think they are actually specific according to individual court. Here, in our county we have a two different court systems (and one city court, I believe). I have been called for jury for both county courts and both were ran very different. One had the 'call in the night before" method. The other, you actually went in, sat in a room all day and waited to see if they were even going to seat a jury. You sat four to five hours and was sent home if they decided not to seat a jury. For me, I went in two consecutive Thursdays and was sent home around noonish.
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Post by ilikepink on May 18, 2016 16:35:54 GMT
I think the OP is borrowing worry. It's all If - and none of it may come to pass. It's his 18 y/o decision to make, but I'd advise my son to register, vote, and then deal with the rest if it comes to pass - for heaven's sake, they may not make it to the championship game! (Hope they do, but still...)
Worry never does anyone any good. Deal with the problem when and if it presents itself.
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Post by 950nancy on May 18, 2016 17:13:38 GMT
Are you sure it's only from voter registration. Around here that is an urban legend. They pull from drivers licenses, directory listings, all over the place. I also find it hard to believe they would pull a high school student. He should vote. My first experience was Presidential and I will ALWAYS remember how it felt. I was thrilled to vote. I just had jury duty and we all had to watch a video and this is what it said on the video. OP, my boys were both 18 their whole senior year. Neither one was called, but I think there were exceptions for high school and college classes. I would definitely check with your local area. They are tough on people out of school because so many people try to get out of it.
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Post by 950nancy on May 18, 2016 17:17:35 GMT
I agree with those that saying you're just looking for a problem that doesn't even exist. When he turns 18, he should do what is most important to him. If voting in November is high on the list (which I assume by you saying he bought a Hillary shirt with his own money and him not liking Trump it is) then he should vote. If he's in school, he should be able to defer in writing. I understand that you and your MIL weren't given deferrals, but neither seems like a valid reason as much as being a high school student does. I mean, I understand it's harsh after what MIL went through, but it was two MONTHS after. That seems like a reasonable time to allow somebody to clear their head. Most people would have to be back at work before that. And as for a breastfeeding mother, if you were told to wean, that's ridiculous. But many working moms breastfeed when they go back to work when the child is almost 4 months old. They pump during the day. It's not unheard of. So you're worried that (a) he gets a summons and (b) has to actually go to court and (c) maybe has to spend one day there (b/c I highly doubt a judge and lawyers want to keep a high school senior out of class for long) and (d) it might be in the month of March when the championship basketball game is and (e) that it would count as an 'absence'? That seems like a lot of assumptions to possibly skip the election; the probability of any or all of those coming true are pretty slim. I'd table the worry until 2017 at a minimum. Nicely said and I totally agree. They take about 2-3 hours to select the jury by asking all of these questions. In my last experience last month, there were over 40 people chosen to sit on a 6 man trial. So almost everyone went home after a day.
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Post by MizIndependent on May 18, 2016 17:25:24 GMT
Good grief, what kind of place do you life in? I've been called about 9 times - once to Federal Jury Duty - and have yet to serve. In all the districts I've lived in (from Washington to Oregon), I've been able to prove "undue hardship" to serve and have gotten out. Of course, now that I CAN serve, am I called? No, lol. DD turned 18 in the beginning of her senior year (she's turning 21 this year) and she has yet to be called. Seems like you are the victim of an overzealous system. One sure way to deal with it if your DS does get called is to have him purposefully get dismissed by going in biased to whatever case is on the docket. Not sure how ethical that is but if they don't allow for important life situations, then perhaps they deserve to have their system monkeyed with. (this is probably awful advice btw, lol)
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Post by mlana on May 18, 2016 17:26:40 GMT
I'd suggest that you suggest to him that he go online and find out what is required to get a deferral of duty. This allows you to change the date of service without excusing you from it altogether.
In our state, you can defer your duty once, with no reason given. At the time you request the deferral, the clerk will give you the list of dates for the for the next series of juries and you can ask to be put in the jury pool for the one that works best for you. If something comes up and you can't make that date either, then you have to provide a reason. If you call as soon as you know of the conflict, the clerk is usually able to reschedule you with no problem. If you wait until the week before your duty, you will have to provide documentation.
This happened to me last year. I was called for duty not long after my DH had his stroke and I was still driving him around. I called as soon as I got the summons and the clerk gave me a list of dates to choose from. When I got within 2 weeks of that date, I called the clerk and told her that my grandmother was dying and I asked to reschedule. Again, she gave me a list of dates and I chose one that was far enough out that I thought we would be done with the funeral and such before it came up. the clerk told me that if I needed to reschedule again, I would need to provide some proof of my family emergency. That seemed fair to me. I didn't need to do that, though.
Marcy
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Post by anonrefugee on May 18, 2016 17:45:38 GMT
What are the odds he will be picked? My son has decent common sense, but I'm trying to envision a case where attorneys would allow him to be on a jury.
I've only had to serve on a jury once. But each time I was called attorneys from both sides questioned us - first in groups and then individually. These happened to be criminal, Is it different for other types of cases?
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on May 18, 2016 17:46:25 GMT
I can tell you that in oregon High school students can get extentions so they serve on school breaks like spring break or summer break. My daughter turned 18 in November 2010 and in January of 2011 she got called for jury duty. she sent her paper in and told them she was still in high school and they told her she had to serve on July something 2011. She went on to finish her senior year of high school, graduate, and She then did her jury duty.
they usually work with Students.
I can tell you that I got summoned to jury duty and I was not a registered voter. We had just moved and the last thing on my mind was registering to vote. But I got it. when I went down to the court house they told me that it doesn't matter if you are a registered voter or not. It goes on your dmv file. so if you have a drivers license or a id card through the dmv you will be on the jury duty list. I asked them if it was just Oregon or if other states did it like that and the lady said it is all states.
there is only 4 states in the united states that use only registered voters. all others use anything from drivers license, id cards, home owners, and any utility in your name. The only way to never be summoned is to never have anything in your name. no job, no ss number, no nothing.
I wouldn't worry about it I would let your son register and vote and deal with it if the time comes. you can't stop living just because you don't want him to serve.
When I was on jury duty Iw as afraid at first but as the day went on I started to like (lack of a better word) it but it was cut short by one of the other jury guys told the judge he knew one of the witnesses right at we left for lunch. I was so mad because when we came back from lunch we sat in the room for 2 hours then went back into the court room and was told we had to be replaced by another group of jurors. since then I have often thought about this guy and why he said he knew the witness hours into the case. The witness he said he knew was on the list of names the judge asked the jurors if they knew them. He said no. the name was a very unique name and If you knew a person with that name you would know you know the person. HE said he didn't know it was her until he saw her. I think he just didn't want to be there and said he knew her.
I would do jury duty again. If i got paid I would sit there every day on every trial. I could do it full time as a job. It isn't hard and it is worth it.
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Post by STBC on May 18, 2016 18:21:12 GMT
They take about 2-3 hours to select the jury by asking all of these questions. In my last experience last month, there were over 40 people chosen to sit on a 6 man trial. So almost everyone went home after a day. It also depends on the case. I served on a jury where the entire process from jury selection to verdict took one day. Larger cases can take a day, or several days, just to select the jury.
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Post by 950nancy on May 18, 2016 18:29:51 GMT
They take about 2-3 hours to select the jury by asking all of these questions. In my last experience last month, there were over 40 people chosen to sit on a 6 man trial. So almost everyone went home after a day. It also depends on the case. I served on a jury where the entire process from jury selection to verdict took one day. Larger cases can take a day, or several days, just to select the jury. You are right. Both times I was kicked out first. That process for me only lasted that long. Our judge just said my particular trial would last that long. He even knew when the jury would be deliberating and how long that would take. I guess he has done it for years.
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