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Post by refugeepea on May 18, 2016 18:55:43 GMT
Once he turns 18, he is legally his adult. I'd leave the decision to him to register or wait. I wouldn't get involved.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on May 18, 2016 19:23:16 GMT
You are borrowing trouble. And why would it affect his ability to play basketball? Well most schools have policies the students must be in school in order to play game, I would think this would be an exemption if it should happen. How can he be on the court, if he is in court during the game?
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Post by STBC on May 18, 2016 19:25:58 GMT
How can he be on the court, if he is in court during the game? Again, you're worrying about something that is ***highly unlikely*** to happen. Impossible, no, but very improbable.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on May 18, 2016 19:34:42 GMT
It may not be a punishment but it can be dang inconvenient sometimes. OP, if I lived in your area I'd be seeing what I could do to change your system there. Who ever heard of a nursing mother being required to do jury duty? Or being told to "get over" grief, or "wean your baby"? Seriously? Someone in that court system needs to retire. As for what your son should do -- I remember my own kids' excitement to vote for the first time, and this would be a great election to start one's voting record with... So I don't know. Yeah, not too helpful, sorry. Plenty of women work full time and breast feed infants. Not having a baby sitter is not a viable excuse when you are given several weeks to get one. As far as her mother goes, where I work we get 5 paid days off for losing a spouse and then they expect you back at work. So a couple of months after losing your spouse doesn't seem like an excuse they should take either. Harsh? Perhaps but in the real world every has problems and inconveniences they have to deal with to serve on juries. Deal with it. There is a thread about "grief fog" going on right now. My MIL quit driving during it because she was scared when she couldn't remember where she was suppose to be going. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want someone suffering from it to be even partially responsible for determining my fate. YMMV
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 18, 2016 19:37:40 GMT
You are borrowing trouble. And why would it affect his ability to play basketball? Well most schools have policies the students must be in school in order to play game, I would think this would be an exemption if it should happen. How can he be on the court, if he is in court during the game? What time are your basketball games? I mean are you seriously worrying about your son missing a basketball game next year due to jury duty - really?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 18, 2016 19:39:59 GMT
How can he be on the court, if he is in court during the game? What time are your basketball games? I mean are you seriously worrying about your son missing a basketball game next year due to jury duty - really? This was my thought too. When I was in high school games were held in evenings on weeknights or on the weekends. Does he have day time basketball games? And even then, I agree that you are worrying about a lot of "what ifs" and causing yourself a lot of unnecessary worry.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 18, 2016 19:40:54 GMT
Plenty of women work full time and breast feed infants. Not having a baby sitter is not a viable excuse when you are given several weeks to get one. As far as her mother goes, where I work we get 5 paid days off for losing a spouse and then they expect you back at work. So a couple of months after losing your spouse doesn't seem like an excuse they should take either. Harsh? Perhaps but in the real world every has problems and inconveniences they have to deal with to serve on juries. Deal with it. There is a thread about "grief fog" going on right now. My MIL quit driving during it because she was scared when she couldn't remember where she was suppose to be going. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want someone suffering from it to be even partially responsible for determining my fate. YMMV You know what - then she should have just gone down to the court house and told the judge that she was mentally unfit to serve. I mean good grief, you're making what is a minor inconvenience into a fantasy about the jury system having some vendetta against your family.
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Post by STBC on May 18, 2016 19:44:46 GMT
There is a thread about "grief fog" going on right now. My MIL quit driving during it because she was scared when she couldn't remember where she was suppose to be going. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want someone suffering from it to be even partially responsible for determining my fate. YMMV I highly doubt she would have actually been selected for a trial, but the court can't make that decision until a person actually shows up and is questioned. The reason was still not a valid one.
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Post by Tamhugh on May 18, 2016 19:48:13 GMT
Both of my kids registered to vote as soon as they turned 18 and neither of them have ever been called for jury duty. I don't think it is common for newly registered voters to be called immediately, but it probably happens on occasion. I have been registerd for 33 years and have never had to serve (and I want to). I was only called once and I asked for a deferment since I was scheduled to teach VBS that week. They excuse me instead and I was so disappointed.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on May 18, 2016 20:21:43 GMT
How can he be on the court, if he is in court during the game? What time are your basketball games? I mean are you seriously worrying about your son missing a basketball game next year due to jury duty - really? The subject was brought up to the kids that will be 18, by the coaches. It's what started the conversation with DS, and my thread. It never crossed my mind before they brought it up. They have seen students miss oppertunities because of situations that could have been avoided. I guess I'll reassure him that you said it would be just one game. Where did you get your crystal ball, because mine is cracked?
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on May 18, 2016 20:23:59 GMT
What time are your basketball games? I mean are you seriously worrying about your son missing a basketball game next year due to jury duty - really? This was my thought too. When I was in high school games were held in evenings on weeknights or on the weekends. Does he have day time basketball games? And even then, I agree that you are worrying about a lot of "what ifs" and causing yourself a lot of unnecessary worry. Games are Tuesday and Thursday at 3:00. The concern was raised by the coaches based on previous experience.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 18, 2016 20:27:37 GMT
All I can think is that you live in the Twilight Zone for jury duty.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 18, 2016 20:32:45 GMT
I called for an extension, because I was a SAHM, with no child care, and I chose not to bottle feed my children. I was told "how nice, you have 6 weeks get wean your child, and find a baby sitter. Your civic duties out trump your mommy duties". My MIL received a summons 2 weeks after my FIL passed away, after being his main care giver, on home hospice. MIL told them she needed some time to clear her head, before she could serve. They told her her date was 8 weeks away. "Plenty of time to gather herself." I think you need to change your attitude. Your MIL asked for a deferment and was granted one. You got one as well and your husband could have taken one day off from work while you went to go serve and act in a way to make sure you weren't picked. Jury duty is inconvenient for a lot of people, but you have to do it. They don't have time to listen to everyone's excuses in detail. In MO, if you are breast feeding you can now defer. I think that is a reasonable reason to defer. I didn't not read that they MIL was given a deferment.. but rather that she was notified 8 weeks in advance. To the OP, I have only been called once and I have been registered to vote since 1981. The one time I was called was in the summer, and I was moving houses and temporarily living with my mother, in another state.(about a mile away) I wanted to serve they would not let me. I would encourage my son to register and to vote. I am sure if he was called, the ramifications could be explained.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 18, 2016 20:34:32 GMT
What time are your basketball games? I mean are you seriously worrying about your son missing a basketball game next year due to jury duty - really? The subject was brought up to the kids that will be 18, by the coaches. It's what started the conversation with DS, and my thread. It never crossed my mind before they brought it up. They have seen students miss oppertunities because of situations that could have been avoided. I guess I'll reassure him that you said it would be just one game. Where did you get your crystal ball, because mine is cracked? Good lord - drama queen much. I suggest you tell your politically active son to gather all those boys and girls who've missed out on Championship games and "ruined everything they've worked for" in previous years to start a petition to change your local courts exemptions to include high school students.
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Post by cade387 on May 18, 2016 21:06:51 GMT
I got summoned when DD was 2 months old. I called for an extension, because I was a SAHM, with no child care, and I chose not to bottle feed my children. I was told "how nice, you have 6 weeks get wean your child, and find a baby sitter. Your civic duties out trump your mommy duties". How far apart are your kids? If they are close then there has been many years between when you were a SAHM with an infant to now. Things change; processes change. In three years between when I was called the first time to the second time it was a completely different experience. The first time I was called you had to go for a week and sit in a room on a jury pool. They called from your group all week and if by Friday you weren't picked then you were done with your service. If you got picked it was obviously the length of the trial.
3 years later and it had changed to you had to show up for one day and see if you get picked. If you didn't then it still counted as you "served" your time.
I believe now you just call in per one friend I talked to but it has been 8+ years since I have served. I have no idea what the actual process is.
Sounds like you are making a mountain out of a mole hill - or his coaches are.
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Post by Country Ham on May 18, 2016 21:14:45 GMT
My brother in law coaches our high school boys basketball team. They went all the way to state this year so trust me when I say he takes his team seriously. I stopped by their house to give sister in law her tickets for the recital on Saturday. I asked BIL what his concerns were when his players registered to vote and eligibility for jury duty at 18. He looked at me like I had 2 heads. It wasn't something that even crossed his mind in his 15 plus years of coaching. When he asked why I asked I just mumbled something about being curious. I would never mentioned an online message board lol.
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Post by mom on May 18, 2016 21:22:54 GMT
Worrying about this is just crazy. IF you ds doesn't want to do his civil duty, so be it. But to blame it on something that might/could/possibly happen is just insane.
And the idea that it might ruin everything he has worked for? Really? I would think more of whatever achievements he might have if he did the adult thing and kept his responsibilities as an adult in the US.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 18, 2016 22:33:43 GMT
I've reported for jury duty seven times and was selected once. I actually WANTED to be on a jury, but the trial was supposed to last a week and I had an unusual work dilemma. (I taught deaf kids and it was the year we had absolutely no subs who could sign.) With no expectation for success, I explained the situation to the clerk, who talked to the judge, who interviewed me in chambers and then excused me.
So, that's another way to get excused, even after being selected. The sky does not necessarily have to fall. (In my family, I would discourage the kind of hyperbole that results in statements like "...ruining everything I've worked for.")
Also, it was intimated that the school would not provide opportunities for make-up exams or late homework for kids on jury duty. That seems very peculiar.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:42:44 GMT
I'd bet my last dollar that no prosecutor or defense attorney would want an 18yo on their jury. IF he were to get called I can't believe he'd end up actually serving for a trial. I would think any attorney would want someone with life experience.
My state takes from driver license information plus registered voters. I've been called twice. First time was for a small city, call in the night before to see if you have to go in. Never had to go in. Second time for District court. That one I had to go in for but was dismissed the second day because on the way home from the first day's duty some a-hole hit my car and totaled it. That was a rough way to get out of jury duty.
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Post by Belia on May 18, 2016 23:58:33 GMT
I think you're being ridiculous to even worry about this. It hasn't happened yet... it probably won't happen... even if it does happen it's 6 months to a year away. "Ruin everything he's worked for" Seriously- unclench. And if your son's coaches REALLY advised his teammates to NOT register to vote JUST IN CASE they get called for their civic duty and it interferes with their games? ? I would for sure be having a conversation with them about that. WTH message is that to send? This whole thing sounds crazy.
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Post by my3freaks on May 19, 2016 1:12:49 GMT
I also think that even IF he got a jury summons, and couldn't get a deferment based on being in high school, the chances of him getting selected to be on a jury are slim to none. I certainly wouldn't want my fate (or my clients, if I was a lawyer), even partially in the hands of an 18 year old high school kid. Why worry so much about something that is really such a small probability. The odds get even smaller of him getting summoned at exactly the time of basketball championship games. How do you know his school is going to be in the championships next year anyway?
Voting in the presidential election IS a guarantee, and if he's legally able to, and chooses not to, then he really doesn't get to complain about the outcome of it if he doesn't like the way it goes.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 1:25:32 GMT
The first time DD was called was when she was 18.50, so depending on when the OP's son turns 18 and where he lives, his odds of being summoned might be greater than others. OP, is your son's birthday close to the elections date? If there's a significant gap in time, why not wait until closer to elections to register?
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Post by luckyexwife on May 19, 2016 1:39:35 GMT
This was my thought too. When I was in high school games were held in evenings on weeknights or on the weekends. Does he have day time basketball games? And even then, I agree that you are worrying about a lot of "what ifs" and causing yourself a lot of unnecessary worry. Games are Tuesday and Thursday at 3:00. The concern was raised by the coaches based on previous experience. Have you contacted the school to find out the official policy on students missing school due to jury duty? Do you know the official policy on making up work, and if he is able to play in a game if he misses school?
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Post by txdancermom on May 19, 2016 1:48:33 GMT
If he wants to vote, he needs to register and vote. this upcoming election is too important and it sounds like he realizes that fact.
If he gets summoned for jury service, and it conflicts with school, he can work it out with them to postpone it. In our county, if you are a student, or a the primary caregiver of a child you are excused, and I am surprised that your county doesn't do that. sounds like a change is in order.
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Post by mlynn on May 19, 2016 2:30:34 GMT
I can understand the statement about ruining everything he has worked for. Making up work is not the same as being in class. It just is not. And this young man may have been working very hard to have the grades and background for something very specific. He may be needing academic scholarships to be able to go to college. Also, he could be hoping for a sport scholarship to fund his education. Missing practices is not conducive to playing in games. The team prepares to function as a unit. If someone has been missing practice, they just are not able to function that way. Then you add in the factor of being wrapped up mentally and emotionally in someone's trial with the responsibility of serious repurcussions in that person's life, and you have a huge distraction that interferes with your ability to function at your best in other areas of your life. And then you could end up on the jury of a lengthy trial or even sequestered. Yeah...it could ruin everything he has been working towards.
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Post by gsquaredmom on May 19, 2016 11:03:55 GMT
Serious question. Does he ever get sick or does anyone pass away in your family? If one day off will ruin his life, he must live in extraordinary fear of illness or family emergencies.
I would be more concerned about coaches discouraging kids from voting. THAT would warrant a phone call to the coaches at the very least. Maybe principal to talk about the make up policy that is apparently so strict that jury duty is not excused. Vacations can even be excused! Maybe the school board to work on changing it if it really is as you describe.
Really, I think you have bigger problems. You seem to have an unusual mindset that you are passing on to your son.
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Post by STBC on May 19, 2016 13:42:47 GMT
I can understand the statement about ruining everything he has worked for. Making up work is not the same as being in class. It just is not. And this young man may have been working very hard to have the grades and background for something very specific. He may be needing academic scholarships to be able to go to college. Also, he could be hoping for a sport scholarship to fund his education. Missing practices is not conducive to playing in games. The team prepares to function as a unit. If someone has been missing practice, they just are not able to function that way. Then you add in the factor of being wrapped up mentally and emotionally in someone's trial with the responsibility of serious repurcussions in that person's life, and you have a huge distraction that interferes with your ability to function at your best in other areas of your life. And then you could end up on the jury of a lengthy trial or even sequestered. Yeah...it could ruin everything he has been working towards. Because the odds of an *18 year old* being selected for a lengthy jury trial and even being sequestered are what...close to zero That's something to worry about There are a lot of things that "might" happen between now and the spring ... accident, illness, abducted by aliens, zombie apocalypse.
It might be more beneficial to get facts instead of worrying: Contact the county circuit court's office: Is there a process for a student to defer jury duty, and if so, what is it? Contact the school: What is the school's official policy on jury duty? Factual information will help make an informed decision, rather than playing the "what if" game and worrying all day.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 19, 2016 15:55:37 GMT
You are borrowing trouble. And why would it affect his ability to play basketball? Well most schools have policies the students must be in school in order to play game, I would think this would be an exemption if it should happen. How can he be on the court, if he is in court during the game? Aren't the games played at night? All of our highschool games gave been evening affairs
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Post by scrapaddie on May 19, 2016 15:56:54 GMT
I can understand the statement about ruining everything he has worked for. Making up work is not the same as being in class. It just is not. And this young man may have been working very hard to have the grades and background for something very specific. He may be needing academic scholarships to be able to go to college. Also, he could be hoping for a sport scholarship to fund his education. Missing practices is not conducive to playing in games. The team prepares to function as a unit. If someone has been missing practice, they just are not able to function that way. Then you add in the factor of being wrapped up mentally and emotionally in someone's trial with the responsibility of serious repurcussions in that person's life, and you have a huge distraction that interferes with your ability to function at your best in other areas of your life. And then you could end up on the jury of a lengthy trial or even sequestered. Yeah...it could ruin everything he has been working towards. Because the odds of an *18 year old* being selected for a lengthy jury trial and even being sequestered are what...close to zero That's something to worry about There are a lot of things that "might" happen between now and the spring ... accident, illness, abducted by aliens, zombie apocalypse.
It might be more beneficial to get facts instead of worrying: Contact the county circuit court's office: Is there a process for a student to defer jury duty, and if so, what is it? Contact the school: What is the school's official policy on jury duty? Factual information will help make an informed decision, rather than playing the "what if" game and worrying all day.
Oh!! I hadn't thought about the possibility of a zombie apocalypse !!
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Post by scrapaddie on May 19, 2016 16:01:28 GMT
This was my thought too. When I was in high school games were held in evenings on weeknights or on the weekends. Does he have day time basketball games? And even then, I agree that you are worrying about a lot of "what ifs" and causing yourself a lot of unnecessary worry. Games are Tuesday and Thursday at 3:00. The concern was raised by the coaches based on previous experience. They have actually had a kid miss a game because of jury duty?
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