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Post by fredfreddy on May 20, 2016 3:40:30 GMT
Alex, 13, fessed up tonight to being on the roof of the local jr high with a friend and getting caught by the principal. Seems we will be getting a call tomorrow. I would be a lot madder if I didn't know when they called though I would already know because the other mom texted me because her son fessed up too. Extra chores will be done this weekend because it was stupid and dangerous.
I have had situations with my oldest where she was totally caught with damning evidence and she still proclaimed her innocence. Pissed me off for years.
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Post by boatymcboatface on May 20, 2016 3:44:09 GMT
I will always give a more lenient punishment to a kid who fesses up and takes responsibility than one that tries to lie and hide about something wrong they did. I will punish the lying and the original offense if I need to but come to me and say you messed up and you're sorry and we will find an appropriate consequence but it won't be near as bad as if you try to bs me.
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Post by scrappychick on May 20, 2016 3:50:56 GMT
Always.
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 20, 2016 3:51:21 GMT
I will always give a more lenient punishment to a kid who fesses up and takes responsibility than one that tries to lie and hide about something wrong they did. I will punish the lying and the original offense if I need to but come to me and say you messed up and you're sorry and we will find an appropriate consequence but it won't be near as bad as if you try to bs me. Some things are just kids being stupid (or accidental) but lying is intentional. Lying is definitely the worse offense.
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Post by Scrapper100 on May 20, 2016 4:04:06 GMT
Lying gets him in so much more trouble than fessing up.
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Post by peano on May 20, 2016 4:04:24 GMT
Yes. DS is an only child and STILL won't cop to stuff we know the dog or cat can't possibly have done, not having opposable thumbs and all. It drives me nuts.
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Post by PLurker on May 20, 2016 5:28:51 GMT
Yep. I always told mine that lying (or hiding things) would make a small thing a HUGE thing. Don't lie to the mama.
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Post by mom on May 20, 2016 5:38:37 GMT
Lying sends me over the roof (and intentionally leaving out information falls into the lying as well).
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Post by my2apps2 on May 20, 2016 6:05:56 GMT
I'm not necessarily less mad, but the punishment is much lighter than it would be if they lied or didn't fess up. I always appreciate honesty and being willing to admit your wrongdoing. To me, that shows maturity...or at least growth.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 20, 2016 6:13:48 GMT
Of course.
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Post by gsquaredmom on May 20, 2016 10:06:59 GMT
My kids knew being honest was more important than any wrongdoing. I wanted them to know I would help them deal with whatever it was, but I had to hear about it from them. We never had to meter out much punishment.
While not intended, I think they felt they could talk to us about a lot of things other kids could not talk with parents about.
Fortunately, nothing serious really came up, and I have two fine sons in college who still feel like they can come and talk to us.
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Post by Merge on May 20, 2016 10:47:26 GMT
Yep, and at school, too. Nothing irritates me more than a kid who stands there and insists that he was not doing the thing that I just stood there and watched him do. The smarter kids in my class (and in my house) learn pretty quickly that the best way to avoid trouble is to own up, say sorry and stop doing whatever it was.
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Post by GamGam on May 20, 2016 11:02:29 GMT
Alex, 13, fessed up tonight to being on the roof of the local jr high with a friend and getting caught by the principal. Seems we will be getting a call tomorrow. I would be a lot madder if I didn't know when they called though I would already know because the other mom texted me because her son fessed up too. Extra chores will be done this weekend because it was stupid and dangerous.
I have had situations with my oldest where she was totally caught with damning evidence and she still proclaimed her innocence. Pissed me off for years. What is it with boys getting on roofs of their schools? my son did the same thing in high school, and got caught, of course.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 20, 2016 11:07:48 GMT
Yes.
Doing dumb shit is just part of the learning of life.
Lying is a character flaw that I won't tolerate and makes me think less of a person.
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Post by melanell on May 20, 2016 13:09:54 GMT
Most definitely.
Them doing something wrong makes me upset. Them lying to me or sneaking around behind my back makes me angry.
So if they mess up, and they just tell me, I might be upset, but I won't be angry. But if they mess up, and then go out of their way to keep that from me, then I'm going to be upset and angry.
DS has only managed to wind up in the principal's office once so far, but he did tell me what he did wrong the moment his butt hit the seat when I picked him up. And the consequences on our end were much less than they would have been if he hadn't said anything and the call and letter from the principal came as a surprise.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 20, 2016 13:23:08 GMT
Absolutely. Everyone makes mistakes (I was the queen of doing dumb shit). Owning our mistakes is a sign of maturity.
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Post by blue tulip on May 20, 2016 13:27:03 GMT
yes, always. we are trying to impress upon our youngest son that the thing you did wrong is one thing. covering it up or lying about it is a whole lot worse thing, and THAT is going to bite you much harder.
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Post by debmast on May 20, 2016 13:49:24 GMT
My girls always know, do something you shouldn't, there will most likely be punishment. Lie about it, and the punishment will increase!
Good kids do stupid things sometimes. It happens. But I agree with the person who said lying is intentional!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 13:57:36 GMT
Hell hath no fury like a mama who has been lied to. Own your crap.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 20, 2016 15:06:23 GMT
Yep. I just spent a fortune on dance stuff for my daughter. I asked her to be VERY careful with the tights. As it would be nice for them to last for the 6 times she needed to wear them. She wasn't. She took them off at a show because she was hot. ( I get that) But she was rushed putting them back on and now couldn't be worn for the dance recital. When does she choose to share this nugget with me. THE NIGHT BEFORE THE DANCE recital dress rehearsal. I was very annoyed. Not because she ripped them, but because she withheld this information, which meant a special run to the dance shop, on my lunch hour, and they cost almost twice as much as ordering on line. Guess who paid for them!! If she had told me when it happened I would have been annoyed, but now I was pissed! I think handing over the $23 for the tights made her realize that it was not worth hiding from me. now the question is how many pairs for two weeks of theatre camp??
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 20, 2016 16:48:28 GMT
Full disclosure - I used to climb up on the roof of our local school on a regular basis to retrieve balls.
I was just never caught.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 20, 2016 16:58:35 GMT
Hell hath no fury like a mama who has been lied to. Own your crap. ...and just as a random check...never discount sitting down to dinner and asking 'is there something that you need to tell me?' with a cocked eyebrow and a questioning look... (my poor gullible children fell for that one more often than they should have...)
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 20, 2016 17:34:06 GMT
I don't tolerate lying. I have always, always, stressed that that lying breaches trust and is a character flaw. Getting in trouble is to be expected as they grow up. I completely lose my shit when I find out I've been lied to. I think my kids have learned that lesson, though.
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Post by ilikepink on May 20, 2016 17:54:29 GMT
I always told them if you lie, there will be twice as much punishment. And even as "adults" I issued some punishment: Before I moved south, I cleaned out a lot of stuff. There is a church-run charity in a city about 30 min away that I routinely donated to. All the boys have been with me one time or another to donate; we found about it through their scout troop. They have met the nun who runs it. So, I ask two of my offspring (25 and 23) to bring these things to this donation center. I gave exact directions (they may not have driven there on their own before). That night at dinner, I asked how it went, did they get lost, etc. And I got a silent response. Then some hemming and hawing, followed by the "fine, why would ask" deflective response. Turns out they dumped the stuff in a donation box at Target rather than making the "long" drive. I was annoyed at the donation (those boxes mostly have the garments made into rags, and these clothes were still usable) but I was Livid at the lies - You lie to your mother about donating to a nun? ? Guess who did the dishes, floors and whatever else I asked for for days? And I still get on them about it. I still love them, even if they are going to hell for lying about a nun.
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Post by mlana on May 20, 2016 18:10:04 GMT
Separate offense warrant separate punishments, with lying usually carrying a punishment as heavy, if not worse, as the original offense.
I always tried to be very clear when mine got in trouble, as in 'you will do x because you went on the school roof and you will do y because you lied about it.'
My DH caused me no end of trouble when he once told our then very young son 'ask forgiveness, not permission, ' and 'plausible deniability.' Sometimes I just wanted to smack the husband!! My son would stand there with paint dripping off his clothes and tell me he hadn't played in the paints! Separating the two punishments out was the best way I knew to make him understand that he was doubling his crime when he lied about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 18:19:00 GMT
My DD got in trouble for telling a kid to butt out of her conversation while they were riding the bus home. He told his mother and my daughter got in trouble but totally fessed up that she wasn't very nice to him. Thank God she did because since she didn't get into trouble, he then turned around and told his mother that she's been swearing on the bus. She denied doing it but has been punished anyway because the other mother raised such a stink. Great way to show her that it pays to tell the truth
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Post by refugeepea on May 20, 2016 18:39:56 GMT
Yes. The other day my son yelled at me for something trivial. When I picked him up for work, he got in the van and immediately said I'm sorry I yelled at you earlier I was stressed about being late for work because a manager was coming in. It's a good thing he apologized because I was stewing for a while.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 20, 2016 20:08:02 GMT
Full disclosure - I used to climb up on the roof of our local school on a regular basis to retrieve balls. I was just never caught. I just liked to sit up there. I did it for years before they put in some kind of alarm that notified the police - oops. Luckily my 12 year old self just got a talking to- I'm not sure my parents ever knew.
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Post by winter on May 20, 2016 20:12:45 GMT
Yep. I nanny too young kids, so it's not hard to see when they're lying. I'm definitely more lenient if we don't have to go through all the ridiculous squabbling beforehand (though sometimes it's hard not to smile when she tries to use her 5 year old logic to weasel her way out of it).
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