M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on Aug 1, 2014 6:56:04 GMT
Do you wish that the local law enforcement where your kid goes to college would teach a self defense/how to stay safe class?
Violence against students is become a massive problem in the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill area. Would you encourage your kids to attend an event taught by sheriff's deputies and women volunteers on how to stay safe. Info on local Self Defense classes would also be given to all participants.
I'm just wondering how much of a desire this kind of class would generate. I know the local sheriff's department would be happy to teach it if students wanted to attend. I'm willing to be the speaker, but I wanted to see what exactly women want to know.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 7:18:41 GMT
I'd prefer to see it taught at the high school level. IMO, we keep high schoolers in an babyish bubble then turn them loose for college where they are both bombarded by adult stuff they suddenly have to know (anywhere from how to do my own laundry to self defense to balance my checking account and deal with finacial aid, registration and all the specialty stuff)
I think they should arrive on campus able to defend themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 10:08:30 GMT
Volt, my oldest is going to be a college freshman in the fall and I couldn't agree more.
OP, that being said, it's something I would strongly encourage my daughter to attend.
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Post by julieinsweden on Aug 1, 2014 11:02:28 GMT
I did a course like this when I was 16. They taught the pressure points as away of realeasing any holds. I still remember them 25 years later - glad that I've never had to use them. But always groan when movie characters don't fight back whilst being strangled. PSA - if the are close enough to be strangling you, then the are close enough to poke their eyes out or use the underarm pressure point or kick them between the legs.
In addition to actual self defence. I think its important to talk about not getting yourself into the situation where self defence is needed. I.e how to walk home/plan route. How to read a group looking for trouble. What services are provided by collages to transport party goers home safely. And a reminder to drink safely (drugs) and minimise the amount drunk.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 1, 2014 12:01:04 GMT
I'd prefer to see it taught at the high school level. IMO, we keep high schoolers in an babyish bubble then turn them loose for college where they are both bombarded by adult stuff they suddenly have to know (anywhere from how to do my own laundry to self defense to balance my checking account and deal with finacial aid, registration and all the specialty stuff) I think they should arrive on campus able to defend themselves. Isn't that the truth?? I have one going to college in about three weeks. As a single mom, I have been pretty good about making my kids participate so they are going to be prepared for the concrete things like laundry...but some of the more nebulas things? I'm not so sure and that concerns me.
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Post by miominmio on Aug 1, 2014 12:26:17 GMT
In addition to actual self defence. I think its important to talk about not getting yourself into the situation where self defence is needed. I.e how to walk home/plan route. How to read a group looking for trouble. What services are provided by collages to transport party goers home safely. And a reminder to drink safely (drugs) and minimise the amount drunk. This is so important! A self defense class can give a false sense of security, so the best thing is to stay safe. It's also important to remember that a lot of men know martial arts, and a few hours of self defense class will not help you against someone who is better trained than you and physically stronger.
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Post by lilacgal on Aug 1, 2014 12:37:33 GMT
I just took a self defense course offered in Charlotte. One couple enrolled with their high school son and soon to be college freshman daughter. I hadn't thought about it before then (my DD being only 5), but now it's something I'll make sure she does while in high school. I think it's quite important.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Aug 1, 2014 12:43:21 GMT
They already do. At orientation at DS's college, they had a program just like this for the incoming students, and they had a separate session for parents. Both sessions were run by the police department in conjunction with other resources on campus. It was really valuable for parents to be able to ask questions of the police department. I should add that this was not specifically a self-defense class. It was more of a staying safe class. But lots of information about self-defense resources was given out at this session.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 13:42:47 GMT
It is a little earlier in the day for clear thought processes. For the OP, are you familiar with the Clery Act and how the campuses in the area already have self defense programs in place on campus since campus crime has such a high impact on a college? Your post sounds a bit like you are shooting from the hip and aren't fully aware of what goes on campus already.. just an assumption nothing is.
While you talk about violence against students and if we would send our students it is also clear you have a bias about female students. You need to clarify what the issues are in order to know how to address them. You also need to know what is going on already to address the issues. The Clery Act means campuses should have educational programs already in place. Often they fall in the curriculum in pe/health courses, safety courses or orientation to college courses. Have you looked on campus to see what is already in place and to what extent it gets utilized by the students (all this info should be open to public inquiry)
If the issue is city/county crimes against college aged people there is a broader societal issue and needs a better police presence in the community. A short course in "self defense" targeted at just women isn't the solution to the problem.
I still think girls do need a self defense course but at much younger than college age.
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Post by auntkelly on Aug 1, 2014 14:51:15 GMT
In addition to actual self defence. I think its important to talk about not getting yourself into the situation where self defence is needed. I.e how to walk home/plan route. How to read a group looking for trouble. What services are provided by collages to transport party goers home safely. And a reminder to drink safely (drugs) and minimise the amount drunk. ITA. I don't think parents (including myself) fully appreciate how vulnerable young adults can be. My daughter told me about a group of friends who befriended another group of girls on the beach on Destin over spring break. The other group of girls asked my daughter's friends if they could use the bathroom in their condo since it was right on the beach and the other girls' condo was far away. My daughter's friends said "sure." Of course, my daughter's friends never saw the other girls again and when they got back to their condo they had been robbed blind. My daughter's friends trusted the other group of girls because they were wearing sorority shirts and said they were from Ole Miss. My daughter's friends were just lucky nothing more serious happened. At freshman orientation, the rector in my son's dorm (he goes to a Catholic school) told me that whenever he saw one of the boys around the dorm with a girl after dark, he always reminded the boy to walk the girl back to her dorm when it was time to go home. He said half the time the boy would say "Oh we're not dating, we're just studying together." It never occurred to the students that it was a safety issue rather than an etiquette issue.
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MaryC
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Post by MaryC on Aug 1, 2014 18:03:39 GMT
Personal / Campus Safety was a required part of incoming student orientation for all students back in the dark ages (1970s) when I was a college freshman. It was taught by the campus public safety department. While some basic self-defense moves were taught and practiced, most of the focus was on prevention - keeping your drink in your hand at parties; parking in lit areas; staying in your locked car and surveying the area for danger before getting out; going out in groups rather than alone. Also, survival strategies like using keys, hair spray, and ink pens as improvised weapons; and yelling "fire" rather than help to attract attention and minimize the bystander effect.
This type of training is equally important for men and women - women are not the only victims of sexual assault, and men are even less likely to report it and seek help. I don't have daughters, but we've been reinforcing all these concepts with our sons since they started school. All four are tall, athletic kids, and it's easy for them to get cocky because they think their size protects them.
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Post by SnowWhite on Aug 1, 2014 18:10:11 GMT
In addition to actual self defence. I think its important to talk about not getting yourself into the situation where self defence is needed. I.e how to walk home/plan route. How to read a group looking for trouble. What services are provided by collages to transport party goers home safely. And a reminder to drink safely (drugs) and minimise the amount drunk. This is so important! A self defense class can give a false sense of security, so the best thing is to stay safe. It's also important to remember that a lot of men know martial arts, and a few hours of self defense class will not help you against someone who is better trained than you and physically stronger. I don't think that's true at all. And I teach self-defense classes. Studies show that simply the act of taking a self-defense class has a huge impact on the outcome of any self-defense scenario, even in the event that things go wrong (that's a mental thing). "A lot of men" do not know martial arts, watching MMA does not make one a martial artist Training and strength can be overcome. The sheer act of fighting back will end many self-defense situations, would-be attackers and rapists need someone who is an easy mark who they can quickly overcome, fighting back breaks that cycle and may force them to disengage. Personally, I think every female over the age of 15 should take a self-defense class and they should practice those skills regularly to avoid freezing in the event they are attacked. A lot of self-defense is about avoidance, anticipate and action BEFORE things go horribly wrong.
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M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on Aug 12, 2014 2:58:13 GMT
Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I've been very sick the past couple of weeks and my thoughts and memory have been very scattered--low blood pressure and malnutrition when I can't eat makes me extremely ill.
The schools in my area are having a huge problem with assaults on college kids on and around campus. You'd think the schools would be more proactive about helping students learn to be more safety conscious. Unfortunately the schools are more intent on covering their asses than helping prevent more crime. The local police department has an awful reputation of being incompetent. There has been an ongoing scandal and protests at UNC Chapel Hill because the school pressures victims of sexual assault to go through the school's crime and punishment student board instead of reporting incidents to the police. So incidents that are signs that a predator is escalating (peeping toms, panty stealing, being sexually aggressive) don't get reported to police and nothing is done until there is a series of rapes.
I also think girls should be taught safety earlier than college age. In previous threads about prevention of violent crimes, many peas have pooh-poohed the idea of learning tactics to keep an individual safe by saying that kind of thinking is paranoid and is living in fear. My dad taught me ways to stay safe from an early age and prevent being in a situation where I would have to use self defense. I actually feel more confident about being alone or being out in public because I have good skills to keep my husband and me safe.
I should have been clearer---I would be helping with info on preventing situations where self defense would be needed. Such as, not leaving a friend alone with a lot of guys, especially if she's been drinking, not walking alone in secluded areas, especially at night, letting people know where you are going and when you plan to return, listing to you gut instincts.
If the students want more self defense training, a lot of deputies teach those classes. I myself want more self defense training, since my muscles are very weak and my heart and back would keep me from being able to out run anyone. My doctor has strongly suggested I get my pistol carry permit, but obviously that isn't possible or wise for college students.
I do think that girls need more classes since they're statistically more likely to be a victim. Women need to know that 90% of gunshot victims survive, and the likelihood of a predator shooting an uncompliant victim in a crowded parking lot for not getting into his vehicle is much less likely than the victim not surviving being taken to a secondary, remote location.
Also, since the statistics show that women are much more likely to be harmed by boyfriends or spouses, they need to know what kind of behaviours to be wary of. Young women are taught to be trusting and sweet, not independent and confident enough in themselves to not get into a controlling relationship or taught that there's no shame in getting out.
It's not about fear or paranoia, its about having the knowledge and skills to make yourself the least appealing target for someone.
I have the free time to put this information together as well as friends in law enforcement that would like to help but need someone to do the grunt work of putting up a website and printed information.
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