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Post by smalltowngirlie on May 25, 2016 17:33:25 GMT
When my sister died very unexpectedly last fall, I called one cousin from each part of the family and asked them to let their family know. I also called a few other people that needed to know ASAP for a variety of reasons. I asked for nothing to be put on social media until my sister's children were ready to post something. I know some of the people are very active on Facebook and such. We wanted to to our best to let family know first. I cannot guarantee everyone heard either from a phone call or face to face before it was posted.
We all do what we have to do at that time. I am not going to mourn the loss any different or comfort them any different because of how I heard about it. Unless I hear that my husband, son or father died via Facebook, I am good.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 25, 2016 17:34:31 GMT
In this day and age it is impossible to control the spread of any news so we will have to learn to accept it. I worry people assume you will see it on facebook and it will be too late when you actually find out to attend a service or be helpful. I too have made the phone calls and it is draining... especially when it's unexpected. This is what happened to me. I was told in the trauma bay that I had to make phone calls RIGHT NOW. I was not given time to process the confirmation he was dead. It was a slow news day and once they found out he was an officer, the news was all over it. Most of the department knew before I did. They had me make the notifications from my hospital gurney because the odds of the news releasing the name before family was notified was a concern. Not to mention the news was spreading like mad throughout the department. Best way to ever get information fast (not necessarily accurate) hit the media and the Police Department My husband did not die on duty. There have been other accidents in that particular area before due to high winds. So we weren't anything extraordinary, it was just a slow news day, combined with his job that led to how the notifications needed to be handled. Everything was super sped up. no time to process. no time to figure out the canned speech you would use with the phone calls, no time to have answers for questions that would come up because those answers hadn't been found yet. No time to scream, or melt down. Just notify notify notify. Im sure the phone calls I made and the conversations I had with his family were disjointed and not remotely thought out or done in a loving manner. It was done out of shock and pressure. Not the best circumstances in which to notify. That doesn't even take into account the people that kept trying to call me back to ask questions, arrange their travel for them etc. wanting more information than I could give etc. There was nobody at that moment that could make the calls that needed to be made. I had to talk to people without having any information other than he was gone due to an accident. People wanted more than that. They wanted details. I called his mom and his sisters, I told my kids... Everyone else found out in other various forms but not directly from me. It caused drama. Everyone felt they had a Right to know by my voice and a right to know the details of how he died, but you know what? They didn't. It is not necessary to know the play by play, not that I remembered much at that point anyway. It is not necessary to hear it from me. I have no clue who informed family past his mother and sisters. I don't even care at this point. People tend to not take into account the people who are involved in the immediate circle of grief. With the younger generations leaning more and more on social media for notifications, FB, Twitter, Snap Chat, instagram are going to become the ways these things are handled.
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Post by tduby1 on May 25, 2016 17:41:06 GMT
It's impersonal, end of story. I get that a close relative may be in the grips of sorrow and mourning, but that's why there are other relatives and/or friends who can make those calls. I think anyone grieving gets a pass when it comes to etiquette and all the many different rules.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 25, 2016 17:46:05 GMT
I remember way way in the way back days when a phone call was considered impersonal, inconsiderate and horrible way to break the news. Face to face in person was the only acceptable way to break this news. Now we think a phone call is the right way. I wouldn't want to find out my child, spouse or parent died on facebook... but beyond that small circle I wouldn't be surprised or upset about it. I think we're similar ages, mid/late 50s. If the sandwich generation can accept it, I would think others could too. My mom, almost 80, likes the FB posts from my high school friends about their parents if they're people she hasn't kept in touch. She sometimes likes to send a note, and many don't live in our hometown, neither do we.
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Post by tduby1 on May 25, 2016 18:00:04 GMT
Back in "the day", that's what we did- made phone calls. And it's not easy - but it's an adult thing to do. When you tell people and they ask what they can do - tell them to make phone calls. I'm also an only child - and had to make the calls years ago when my mom died, and last year when dad died. I couldn't get to my favorite uncle - left a vm to call me, then called his daughter - asked her not to tell him, that I would handle it. And I did. When a high school friend's husband died the day after they got married, I helped (along with a few others) make those calls. It's what you do. And I realize I may handle things differently - but when there's a tough job to be done, you roll up your sleeves and do it. The world may be changing with social media, but it can't replace the words that need to be said. But then for some people even that (bolded) wouldn't be good enough. We have a family member who was upset she didn't get a personal phone call from her niece when she lost her teenaged daughter in a tragic car accident. It was a ridiculous expectation as far as I am concerned!
I say those closet to the deceased get to make the call how the info is dispersed. There is no etiquette for such things. For a cousin's death I would fully expect to hear it by word of mouth and FB may well be the method.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 25, 2016 18:41:01 GMT
I had to make the phone calls when my father died. It was so hard to keep having the same difficult conversation. Most of the people that my mother wanted me to call, I didn't even know. I think immediate family and very close friends should be notified by phone call. I think it's an excellent idea to offer assistance in making phone calls. I know I sure would have appreciated that offer.
People want to run to fb to be the first to report news, and they don't even think that immediate family may not all know yet. I would hate to find out through fb that my sibling or parent has died.
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Post by anniefb on May 25, 2016 18:59:03 GMT
I think the objection to finding out on FB is when it is a family member. Family should be notified before public notifications.
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 25, 2016 19:15:02 GMT
As mean as this might sound in our family nieces/nephews and cousins more then likely would not be considered immediate family. Parents, grandparents, children and siblings. After that I would think people are free to offer condolences to anyone they wish in any format they wish. If I wanted to offer condolences to my sister on the death of say her inlaws, then I honestly may not stop and think "I wonder if there is a niece somewhere who hasn't heard yet". I did see the death of my aunt on FB before I heard about it. She lived back home in Canada. I wasn't mad at my cousin for posting about his mom and I wasn't mad that my Dad didn't make me a priority when his sister died. He called me the first chance he had. ETA: I have 67 first cousins on my dad's side of the family alone. Imagine trying to call every single niece/nephew in a timely manner. I don't think it sounds mean. It's essentially how I feel about it, too. My extended family is very large, and for that reason alone I wouldn't have any problem with a FB notification unless we're talking about one of my own parents or sister. I read the posts by scrappinspidey2 and pjaye and I think what they say really hits me hard. I've not been in a position to make those calls, but I can only imagine how painful that must be. A few years ago my cousin lost her infant son to histiocytosis. She was constantly posting updates on FB--and that's how our large, extended family knew what was going on. It was the easiest way for her to communicate with everyone, and it brought her comfort to share her thoughts and know she was supported. I did find out about his death from one of her posts. I would never have expected a phone call from her or from anyone else. I was just appreciative that I was able to support her and to find out what was going on. I agree ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) For me it isn't about me and how I receive the information, it's about the people that lost their loved one that has to deal with that loss ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) It's about their pain, not my need for how I receive the information. I can not imagine having to worry about calling people over and over and yes, consoling them while I was trying to process my own grief and loss. I'm lucky that I have two sisters that will do that for me if I ever need it, but that doesn't change how hard it must be for others
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Post by supersoda on May 25, 2016 19:22:15 GMT
I don't think every extended family member needs an immediate, personal phone call, but people need to use a modicum of common sense and allow a grace period for news to flow to close family members before sharing in a public forum.
When my mother passed away, her husband's ex-wife immediately posted on FB. My nieces were away at a soccer game and my brother wanted to tell them in person when they got home that evening. We should have had that option. Spouses, children, grandchildren and siblings trump everyone else. And for god's sake, when your the ex-wife of the widower it's not your f'ing news to share anyway.
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Post by oliquig on May 25, 2016 19:30:47 GMT
For me, this is two different issues.
1. The tangential people who post about the death before given the okay by the next of kin.m
2. The next of kin choosing to use FB to let people know about the death.
For 1, I think it is the asshattiest thing to do if you don't have the parent/child/SO/closest person to the deceased's express permission and blessing to do so.
For 2, once the other parents/children/SO/closest people, if there are any, (and by closest people I mean people the deceased saw or spoke to on a weekly basis, minus co-workers) he next of kin can inform people, or direct someone to inform people, any darn way they please. FB, phone calls, smoke signals for all I care. Their pain and loss far exceeds any butt hurt people seem to have over the loss of an uncle they hadn't spoken to in over a year. Not to say they don't feel a loss, but there is no comparison.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on May 25, 2016 19:31:36 GMT
I think the objection to finding out on FB is when it is a family member. Family should be notified before public notifications. Yeah--this^^^ I saw a little upset when I found out my only niece was pregnant via Facebook.
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Post by tincin on May 25, 2016 20:44:39 GMT
I don't think it is too much to ask for a person to wait a couple of hours before posting the news of someone's death on Facebook. That gives the family time to call those closest to the departed. I think it is rude and inconsiderate to race to be the first person to post someone's death. If the immediate family wants to post it, they will, otherwise back the hell off and let them have some time to deal with the death and the notifications.
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Post by jenjie on May 25, 2016 21:19:08 GMT
I don't think it is too much to ask for a person to wait a couple of hours before posting the news of someone's death on Facebook. That gives the family time to call those closest to the departed. I think it is rude and inconsiderate to race to be the first person to post someone's death. If the immediate family wants to post it, they will, otherwise back the hell off and let them have some time to deal with the death and the notifications. This. There seems to be an immediacy, "gotta be the first one to tell." When dh died my plan was to call his sisters (his parents were with us) , tell my kids when they woke up, inform close friends and then maybe later in the day or even the next day put it on fb. Instead, I called sil #1. She posted on FB before sil #2 found out. Sil #2 didn't answer her phone so mil and fil raced to her house to tell her but she still saw it on fb before they were able to tell her. Then she turned around and did the same dang thing! I felt like I had to do damage control. I had to wake my kids up to tell them because I was afraid their friends would See and text them before I was able to get to them. I had to formulate a thoughtful fb post that I wasn't yet ready to give. I didn't call everyone close to us, they already knew it would be in the next 24 hours. I sent a text to those people.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2016 22:00:33 GMT
If I have to explain it, I guess you just won't get it.
Some things should just be personally handled amongst family.
My husband found out that his grandmother had passed when his cousin posted it immediately on Facebook. He was on a plane when it happened. His mom was trying to call him in the meantime. It just really sucked to find out his grandmother had passed that way.
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Post by Karene on May 25, 2016 22:22:35 GMT
When my mother was diagnosed with a brain tumour, 2 of my siblings were with me at the hospital. We called our other brother to let him know. We then called my mother's sister and one of my father's sister's and asked them to let the rest of their siblings know and they could let their children know. My father was already in a nursing home with alzheimer's. I kept everyone updated on her status through mass family emails.
When she died, we did the same thing, except my siblings weren't there so I called them first. One aunt from each side was responsible for letting everyone else know. I wasn't in any state to mention it over and over.
My younger son knew we had rushed to the hospital because my mother was at the end, but we didn't get home right away because we had to make some arrangements. I didn't want to call and tell him on the phone, so we waited until we got home. Unfortunately, one of my mom's friend called my home to talk to me about arranging the funeral sandwiches. That was how he found out his grandmother died. I still feel guilty about it. Why didn't she just ask my son to call me back, without telling him the reason?
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Post by scrappington on May 25, 2016 22:40:48 GMT
I was a fb offender. Unfortunately I didn't realize. 2 people who should have had a phone call from me or someone didn't get one. I felt horrible. But in my defense my husband collapsed an died for no reason. He was on life support for 40 hrs and I waited until he officially took his last breath before I posted. There were so many people to notify. I had to call his parents in the middle of the night to tell them their son had died. I called my parents as well and waited until 6 30 - 7am to start calling others. I didn't want to wake them because there was nothing that could be done. Certain people deserved the personal phone call from me. Others I did ask to call so and so. But when I realized the 2 people found out via myself even on fb. It was horrible. I wasn't in my right mind at that point and was mostly on auto pilot. The call to his best friend was one of the hardest. I get the hurt feeling of find out on fb. I was happy I could post the services that way as it was over xmas so that made it even more fun. And the worst part is people didn't understand when I would call and say my husband had died. I was trying not to be blunt and to do it properly and not like ripping a bandage off. But in the end I'd have to say he's dead. It sounded so cruel. Because it was so un expected and what have u. I don't wish the phone calls on anyone. I was trying to be sensitive to everyone else's feelings as well but at the same time I just lost my world.
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Post by epeanymous on May 25, 2016 22:45:39 GMT
So you call immediate family. Now the people not called get mad that they weren't considered "immediate" enough. Been there. Nothing like fighting through grief while mediating disputes about whose grief is more worthy of honor and respect.
I really, really get why people don't want to find out upsetting (or, in the case of pregnancy, I suppose, exciting) information on social media. I am not going to fault people who use it to disseminate that information, particularly when they really need to be just taking care of themselves, and I hope that people who are posting well-wishes to grieving family members on social media generally are doing so out of support and concern, rathe than wanting to one-up others in death currentness.
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Post by CarolT on May 26, 2016 3:06:14 GMT
When my dad passed away, I called my sister, and my dad's sister (my dh and kids were with me) right away. The following day, I called his former secretary (he was retired).
My aunt notified the extended family, my dad's secretary notified his former colleagues.
I wouldn't have wanted my aunt or sister to find out from any way other than a personal phone call, but there was no way I could call all of my cousins and everyone of his friends.
As my cousins learned about his death, everyone of them went onto FB and posted memories about my dad... I loved those sweet messages!
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Post by chaosisapony on May 26, 2016 3:09:53 GMT
I feel bad for the person that has to make all the phone calls notifying people. It must be absolutely emotionally exhausting. I can see the allure of one mass Facebook post after key immediate family members are notified. However on the other side of it being blind sided by a family member's death notice on Facebook would be shocking. Without someone there on the phone you can't get questions answered immediately and likely aren't in a good location for the emotional aftermath that will follow.
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Post by myshelly on May 26, 2016 3:26:09 GMT
To me the problem with using FB for something important like a death announcement is that FB is unreliable.
You never know who checks FB or when.
You never know if the notice that Aunt Jane passed will appear on Cousin Bob's newsfeed or not.
Immediate family should be told first and privately.
Now, unlike a lot of peas, I wouldn't have a problem with that being done in a text as opposed to a phone call. In fact I would prefer a text.
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Post by grinningcat on May 26, 2016 11:53:15 GMT
I guess what I am not understanding is why the people's "right" to get a phone call for comfort and to avoid "mental anguish" after a death trumps the mental anguish that the person forced to make all those calls is forced to endure, just so that people can get a "personal" notification. And really, what makes people so damn important outside the nuclear family that they deserve that kind of notification? Quite frankly, I think it's rude and unacceptable that extended family members or friends expect some poor bereaved immediate family member to have to endure hours of calls with fake concern and questions about what just happened instead of accepting that the information is incredibly difficult to deal with and to leave them alone. The information will be released, back off. Seriously, someone needs to invent a robocall type app that can send all the information out to these people so the family can grieve in peace.
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Post by ReneeH20 on May 26, 2016 13:59:38 GMT
I don't have a problem learning the news of a relative's death from FB, but the initial post should come from the immediate family - not someone in the extended family. When my sister-in-law died, we got the phone call from my parents. My aunt immediately posted to FB and vaguely at that. IMO, she should have waited until my brother (the husband) posted about it. He did post a day or so later. She is in her 70's so should know better. I mean how hard is it to wait a day until you see the family post about it. Send a private message if you want to offer condolences until they make it public.
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Post by Country Ham on May 26, 2016 14:27:27 GMT
Sadly for some people FB is their family and support. My sister found out about our grandfather's death by FB from our first cousin. She was pissed off about it. Thing is we all tried to get a hold of her all day. She doesn't carry a cell phone on her, she refused to give us a work number for emergencies since she is not allowed personal calls. My dad tried everything he could think of. Our cousin doesn't have a lot of friends and kind of keeps to herself. She posted 6 hours after I heard about granddad. That online community was her main support and she needed them I guess. She had no way of knowing my sister still didn't know. There was no malicious intent in her posting.
I too hate social media for alerts. I don't mind texts but they should be in supplement to actual conversations about events. But unless I knew someone is being malicious I try and extend grace. Life happens.
ETA: from my experience 99% of the death posts I read are not announcements. They are usually someone offering condolences or someone requesting prayers after losing a loved one. I have a rule for myself, if I know someone died and I go to a friend's FB and no one has yet posted "sorry for your loss" I refuse to be the first poster and will not say anything but if others have I might add my own.
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Post by hop2 on May 26, 2016 15:28:48 GMT
Because public postings on FB can be seen ( delivered ) at some incredibly inopportune times.
But mostly my complaint is those who are NOT next of kin who RUN to FB to post or vague book before immediate family can be told. Like my sisters steps son's girlfriend who ran immediately to FB to post my sisters death before my brother in law could call her children and her sisters. Why not wait a f'in minute so people can find out without f'in vague booking shit your posting.
BTW after immediate family is told I do not mind tasteful informative FB notices posted publicly.
It sucks to find out either way but give those immediately affected a bit of time to notify those who may need a better form of notification, better timing or whatever before posting vague stuff that might be hurtful
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Post by JoanieBaloney on May 26, 2016 15:43:08 GMT
I am one of the 20 people in the world who is not on FB. I also don't live in the vicinity of any of my close family. If there is a death in the family, and I don't get a phone call, I will never know.
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Post by DEX on May 26, 2016 16:21:11 GMT
I can kinda speak to this. When my husband died I notified our immediate family. After all those phone calls, I was emotionally drained. The thought of making more phone calls to friends and distant family was just too much so I posted it on Facebook. I also know my mental state wasn't the best and my judgement may have been wrong.
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Post by missmiss on May 26, 2016 16:48:58 GMT
Back in "the day", that's what we did- made phone calls. And it's not easy - but it's an adult thing to do. When you tell people and they ask what they can do - tell them to make phone calls. I'm also an only child - and had to make the calls years ago when my mom died, and last year when dad died. I couldn't get to my favorite uncle - left a vm to call me, then called his daughter - asked her not to tell him, that I would handle it. And I did. When a high school friend's husband died the day after they got married, I helped (along with a few others) make those calls. It's what you do. And I realize I may handle things differently - but when there's a tough job to be done, you roll up your sleeves and do it. The world may be changing with social media, but it can't replace the words that need to be said. Back in the day people didn't have cars and had to walk to work. That doesn't mean you have to do it that way now. If you don't like it then fine but some people will do it that way because it is easier for them. I seriously doubt I will be able to talk if my sister, mom, or dad pass away. If someone doesn't get called and they find out on social media then oh well at that point in time I could care less.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 16:49:10 GMT
Thank you for all the various opinions on this. I can see both sides but still think as time goes on Facebook will be a more common form of communicating.
For our family we use Facebook quite a bit. It let's everyone keep in touch as we are scattered all over the country.
I do understand if someone passed away unexpectedly it would be shock to see it on Facebook but to me it would also be just as shocking to get a phone call.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on May 26, 2016 17:27:56 GMT
I can kinda speak to this. When my husband died I notified our immediate family. After all those phone calls, I was emotionally drained. The thought of making more phone calls to friends and distant family was just too much so I posted it on Facebook. I also know my mental state wasn't the best and my judgement may have been wrong. DEX, you were not wrong at all. You did the best you could and that is good enough. if they don't like it, they can bite me ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/OrTI4SBmZ2ZYSFv6ag4f.jpg) **hugs**
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