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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 14:42:51 GMT
I didn't do them in college nor did my kids. I've always been kind of ignorantly prejudiced about them. What is your experience?
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Post by sugarmama on May 26, 2016 14:45:38 GMT
My kids have been in them. They all were required to keep a certain gpa, have study hours and participate in campus activities and philanthropies. Yes, there were a lot of social functions, as well. It's a great way to meet people and also provides a network when they graduate and begin job hunting.
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Post by bosoxbeth on May 26, 2016 15:03:20 GMT
I had a very positive experience. We had a lot of structured philanthropy, fun social events, we were a diverse group of women I never would have gotten to know, and we had a GPA requirement in order to remain in the group.
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Post by kitkath on May 26, 2016 15:11:51 GMT
My younger daughter was in one and loved every minute of it. I believe that she has made some lifelong friends.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on May 26, 2016 15:19:55 GMT
I am still involved in my sorority today. I've was a chapter adviser for 7 years, and I serve on the local Panhellenic council and on a national committee. My sorority experience began in college, but it is just as meaningful to me today.
Sororities aren't what TV and movies portray. The sororities that are members of NPC (National Panhellenic Council) all have strict rules and guidelines for the protection of the members (and for the legal protection of the organization). Hazing isn't allowed and is punished swiftly when discovered. In most cases, there is strong alumnae and parent involvement. Most chapters have some members who appear to be the typical sorority girl, but most also offer a very diverse membership - brains, jocks, performers, organizers, leaders, etc. They need a varied membership to function as a well-rounded group that is able to put on huge philanthropy events, throw great parties, compete in intramural sports, and meet the high academic and programming standards required by schools and national organizations.
I will admit that local sororities make me a little uncomfortable because the accountability to a larger organization isn't there.
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Post by monklady123 on May 26, 2016 15:30:53 GMT
Some of us who come from a certain era have a prejudice against sororities, I think. I always looked at them as groups of girls who are in school for their Mrs. degree, probably wealthy, kind of snooty....etc. And maybe there are still groups like that. My dd says that it depends a lot on which university you're attending. My dd's sorority has the reputation at other schools of being unfriendly to "outsiders" yet at her university it's not at all like that.
I totally changed my opinion of sororities when my dd joined one during her freshman year. Her school is very Pan-Hellenic and unlike some other schools at hers all the sororities get along and do things together. In fact her apartment -- dd and three other girls -- has four different sororities there. They even had their photo taken for one of the Greek events during rush week last year.
It has given my dd leadership skills that she never had before. She's an officer in the sorority, a Greek Ambassador, and serves on the Pan-Hellentic Council. She has met a diverse bunch of girls and as someone said above she now has a network of friends, and sisters who she doesn't even know personally.
They have a philanthropy that they support -- both the national one and then one that their chapter supports. Her chapter is the Alpha Chapter (the founding chapter) so that gives them (in their eyes) extra responsibility to represent the sorority well. Dd has learned all sorts of things about working with a group, leading a group, running a group, she's learned to interact with adults as equals (which is something not everything learns in high school, lol). They have a required GPA that they have to maintain, but if they don't the sorority doesn't just kick them out. Instead they rally around and help the person who's having troubles. Dd said there was one girl last year who hit the "sophomore slump" and Chemistry at the same time and was really struggling. The girls helped her be in touch with the tutoring center at school, and they organized among themselves to help her other times. She pulled her grade up, and I thought that was a wonderful lesson to all the girls about helping when people have troubles.
Her dues aren't even very expensive, which dd says is because they don't have houses. There's one dorm that's the sorority dorm and each sorority has a section in it (or some live off-campus, like dd). Dd said the sororities who live in a house usually have more expensive dues because they have the upkeep, utilities, etc. on the house.
Anyway... I have nothing negative to say about my dd's sorority experience.
eta: I just read this thread to my dd and she says she hopes those of you have a negative opinion would explore them further if you have a daughter who is interested. She also says that any fraternity stories you've heard are probably true and that has nothing to do with how the sorority girls act. lol. But then she added that she does know some nice fraternity men. She says there is a different between "frat boys" and "fraternity men". lol
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 15:57:00 GMT
My neighbor's son is in a frat. I am not impressed with the stories they tell. Same with my daughter's friend.
Stories of heavy drinking and sex.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on May 26, 2016 16:06:12 GMT
That's about all I had heard too and seen back in the 90s. LOTS of parties and crazy wild times. Also secret stuff with the sororities, girls grades dropping and that mean girl mentality. Though the people that were involved in Greek life are still friends with each other now.
I am not sure how much has changed since then, but the news only of course reports the bad stuff.
BUT from reading things posted on 2peas, it has opened my eyes to the good things and some people love what they get out of it. It can be positive experience for some young people. Of course I think it has a lot to do with the part of the country the college/university is in and also how much of a party school it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 16:39:33 GMT
After the news story about the students trashing an island in California, people are going to start believing all the bad about sororities and frats.
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Post by beaglemom on May 26, 2016 16:49:16 GMT
Before college it wasn't even on my radar. Once I decided on a school and was put in touch with some current students I learned that they were very big at the University I was going to attend. I did some research over the summer, but wasn't 100% sure going into rush. Rush was an amazing experience. I pledged and was a very happy member during my 3 years at that university. I transferred colleges at that point and then new school I attended did not have a chapter of my sorority. I definitely missed it as I was finishing school. I got re-involved 5 years ago with my local alumna chapter and have been very involved ever since.
In college - there was a very strict gpa requirement, if you had a bad semester you had a semester probation where you had to attend mandatory study sessions in the house and you were paired with an older girl to help you. They were very strict about under age drinking, no boys allowed overnight in the house. We had a certain number of service hours that needed to be completed every semester. Everyone was very involved in other activities on campus and very well rounded.
I am still friends with many of the girls that I pledged with and would encourage my own daughter to explore her options when she heads to college.
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Post by ilikepink on May 26, 2016 16:53:37 GMT
When one of my DS announced he was pledging, I was in a panic. The stories/movie versions scared me to death. His particular fraternity had mostly members who were in the same/similar majors, and involved in sports (he was running track at the time). He became VP and then senior year was President. There were a lot of issues with the town (they had a rather run down house) and he had lots of interaction with the school, the town, and the national chapter. What he learned had nothing to do with academics, but a lot of life lessons. He met his girlfriend (now DF) through Greek life - she was president of her sorority--quite the "power couple"! lol
There were GPA requirements (with tutoring when necessary), a lot of philanthropic activities, participation in school activities, friends and contacts for life, and, yes, some drinking. Overall, I'm happy for his experience.
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Post by krc11 on May 26, 2016 16:58:02 GMT
Meh! My college had a big greek system. It was very exclusionary. There were greeks and GDI (g*d d*mn independents) and not much interaction. There were crazy parties and typical greek BS. That, being said, I did join, but couldn't get past having peers boss me around. I'm not against rules, but things like I needed to do xx hours of study hall in a place near kitchen and front door with the rest of the house being loud so you couldn't study and then they'd get mad if you went somewhere to actually study so you could keep your grades up. We did have a charity. I guess I'm just not one of those joiner type people. I gave it a go, but in the end the cost/benefit ration was lacking.
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Post by bc2ca on May 26, 2016 19:07:57 GMT
After the news story about the students trashing an island in California, people are going to start believing all the bad about sororities and frats. This is a horrible story - the photos are just disgusting 90 abandoned tents, sleeping bags, etc. University of Oregon frats trash Lake Shasta
I'll admit I've always had a bias against frats & sororities buying into the Animal House version. DH had a little sidejob gig going many years ago where he worked at University of Washington sorority houses and came home saying our then 2 year old was never joining a sorority. He was often there on a Sunday morning and the girls were catching each other up on what happened the night before . A cousin excitedly joined a frat at UW and was completely disillussioned at how controlled his life became with required events and activities and I'm not even sure he lasted a year. More recently the DD of friends just graduated and is heading to her new job in San Francisco. Her sorority experience was really positive and connections through that helped her find a place to live and are definitely making her (and her parents) feel more comfortable about her next move.
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Post by alissa103 on May 26, 2016 19:08:38 GMT
I had a very positive experience. I'm an extroverted introvert so it definitely helped me to meet friends! It's almost been 20 years since I pledged (good grief!) but there's a core group of us who are still very close. In fact, my little family and another "sister's" are spending Memorial weekend together at a lake! No hazing, no forced anything. NONE. Had to keep up a GPA above 3.0 at a very tough school to remain active. I think this is a positive, motivating thing though! I also had access to other members who were willing to tutor and help study. I would have flunked calculus without that accessible, no-judgement & FREE help. I got a B! I in turn tutored girls in my major later on as well. We watched out for one another at parties. I didn't find the Greek parties to be any better or worse in terms of drinking & behavior than non-Greek parties. If you want to party, you'll find a party, KWIM? DH was in a fraternity and he is older than me. After he graduated and I was still on campus, the guys in his fraternity treated me like their sister. I never had to walk home alone at night or drink crappy beer at their house. They were very gentleman-like. I always felt safe there, although there was one house on campus where I didn't and i ever went there. Post college, I met many friends through alumnae groups in all the various cities we've lived. It's pretty awesome to have an instant network while job hunting in a new city too. My sorority's philanthropy is CASA (court appointed special advocate) for children. DH and I have collectively done more for them post-college than we would have ever dreamed, just bc of my connection to them. It's pretty cool to see other alumnae do the same thing, even if it's just choosing that org as their United Way beneficiary through work planned giving.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 26, 2016 19:27:56 GMT
I wasn't in one but had lots of negative experiences with them when I was in college. I would not particularly want my child to be involved with one.
Snotty people who think they are better than those who aren't "Greek", lots of drinking, secret initiations, etc. I had a friend from high school who was in a sorority and seeing her experiences made me even more against them. That, and having many, many times where people would talk to me until they found out I wasn't in a sorority. Then they would get up and leave.
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Post by bc2ca on May 26, 2016 19:35:37 GMT
I had a very positive experience. I'm an extroverted introvert so it definitely helped me to meet friends! It's almost been 20 years since I pledged (good grief!) but there's a core group of us who are still very close. In fact, my little family and another "sister's" are spending Memorial weekend together at a lake! No hazing, no forced anything. NONE. Had to keep up a GPA above 3.0 at a very tough school to remain active. I think this is a positive, motivating thing though! I also had access to other members who were willing to tutor and help study. I would have flunked calculus without that accessible, no-judgement & FREE help. I got a B! I in turn tutored girls in my major later on as well. We watched out for one another at parties. I didn't find the Greek parties to be any better or worse in terms of drinking & behavior than non-Greek parties. If you want to party, you'll find a party, KWIM? DH was in a fraternity and he is older than me. After he graduated and I was still on campus, the guys in his fraternity treated me like their sister. I never had to walk home alone at night or drink crappy beer at their house. They were very gentleman-like. I always felt safe there, although there was one house on campus where I didn't and i ever went there. Post college, I met many friends through alumnae groups in all the various cities we've lived. It's pretty awesome to have an instant network while job hunting in a new city too. My sorority's philanthropy is CASA (court appointed special advocate) for children. DH and I have collectively done more for them post-college than we would have ever dreamed, just bc of my connection to them. It's pretty cool to see other alumnae do the same thing, even if it's just choosing that org as their United Way beneficiary through work planned giving.
As a CASA, I can't tell you how awesome it was to read this!!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 21:40:48 GMT
I was not impressed with them while I was in college-didn't have any positive experiences with sororities or fraternities.
Neither of my kids went that route in college, and I was inwardly relieved.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 22:29:32 GMT
I too was relieved when neither DD went to a university with the Greek system. I wasn't involved when I was in college (paying my own way and trying to make enough to eat didn't leave any $s left over for dues, tshirts, parties, etc)
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Post by utpea on May 26, 2016 22:48:38 GMT
My neighbor's son is in a frat. I am not impressed with the stories they tell. Same with my daughter's friend. Stories of heavy drinking and sex. I was in a sorority in college and I was a fraternity "little sister" as well. I had a wonderful college experience and most of it revolved around Greek life. From day 1 of my freshman year, I automatically had 40 new friends (my pledge class). There were guys in fraternities that partied too much and/or had casual sex. I saw that happening as well with college boys who were not in fraternities. I think that is just part of college life for some people. The Animal House depiction of fraternities is a bit exaggerated (based on my experience). I will definitely encourage my son and daughter to join a fraternity/sorority if they express an interest.
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Post by Tamhugh on May 26, 2016 23:30:10 GMT
DH and I were involved in Greek life in college and so were both of our boys. It was a positive experience for all of us. My closest friends now are still my sorority sisters from 30+ years ago even though we are spread across the country. I went to a school that had a lot of very wealthy students. There were also middle class and lower class (I was on the very poor end) and my sorority was a mix of all three. I was never made to feel like I was less than anyone because I came from nothing.
As for the drinking and sex, yes, it happens a lot in fraternities and sororities. But it happens alot in all aspects of college life even if there is no Greek life. My kids' friends who were not in frats tell stories about things that happened on their campuses that rival any fraternity or sorority story I have ever heard. My oldest still talks about how the wildest parties he ever attended were held at the houses of female sports teams.
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Post by Woobster on May 27, 2016 2:09:24 GMT
I was in a sorority and had a very negative experience. My brother was in a fraternity and had a fantastic experience. I think a lot depends on how each chapter is run. I would encourage anyone to be open minded about them, but to not hesitate to walk away if things just don't feel right.
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Post by auntkelly on May 27, 2016 2:56:22 GMT
I had a very positive experience. I'm an extroverted introvert so it definitely helped me to meet friends! It's almost been 20 years since I pledged (good grief!) but there's a core group of us who are still very close. In fact, my little family and another "sister's" are spending Memorial weekend together at a lake! No hazing, no forced anything. NONE. Had to keep up a GPA above 3.0 at a very tough school to remain active. I think this is a positive, motivating thing though! I also had access to other members who were willing to tutor and help study. I would have flunked calculus without that accessible, no-judgement & FREE help. I got a B! I in turn tutored girls in my major later on as well. We watched out for one another at parties. I didn't find the Greek parties to be any better or worse in terms of drinking & behavior than non-Greek parties. If you want to party, you'll find a party, KWIM? DH was in a fraternity and he is older than me. After he graduated and I was still on campus, the guys in his fraternity treated me like their sister. I never had to walk home alone at night or drink crappy beer at their house. They were very gentleman-like. I always felt safe there, although there was one house on campus where I didn't and i ever went there. Post college, I met many friends through alumnae groups in all the various cities we've lived. It's pretty awesome to have an instant network while job hunting in a new city too. My sorority's philanthropy is CASA (court appointed special advocate) for children. DH and I have collectively done more for them post-college than we would have ever dreamed, just bc of my connection to them. It's pretty cool to see other alumnae do the same thing, even if it's just choosing that org as their United Way beneficiary through work planned giving. I think we must be "sisters." CASA is a wonderful organization and I'm proud it's our sorority's philanthropy.
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Post by chendra on May 27, 2016 5:30:39 GMT
I had a very positive experience. I'm an extroverted introvert so it definitely helped me to meet friends! It's almost been 20 years since I pledged (good grief!) but there's a core group of us who are still very close. In fact, my little family and another "sister's" are spending Memorial weekend together at a lake! No hazing, no forced anything. NONE. Had to keep up a GPA above 3.0 at a very tough school to remain active. I think this is a positive, motivating thing though! I also had access to other members who were willing to tutor and help study. I would have flunked calculus without that accessible, no-judgement & FREE help. I got a B! I in turn tutored girls in my major later on as well. We watched out for one another at parties. I didn't find the Greek parties to be any better or worse in terms of drinking & behavior than non-Greek parties. If you want to party, you'll find a party, KWIM? DH was in a fraternity and he is older than me. After he graduated and I was still on campus, the guys in his fraternity treated me like their sister. I never had to walk home alone at night or drink crappy beer at their house. They were very gentleman-like. I always felt safe there, although there was one house on campus where I didn't and i ever went there. Post college, I met many friends through alumnae groups in all the various cities we've lived. It's pretty awesome to have an instant network while job hunting in a new city too. My sorority's philanthropy is CASA (court appointed special advocate) for children. DH and I have collectively done more for them post-college than we would have ever dreamed, just bc of my connection to them. It's pretty cool to see other alumnae do the same thing, even if it's just choosing that org as their United Way beneficiary through work planned giving. I think we must be "sisters." CASA is a wonderful organization and I'm proud it's our sorority's philanthropy. Then I'm a sister to both of you
It's hard to make a sweeping statement about "greek" life, as campus, organization and chapter cultures vary. My chapter was comprised of a very diverse group of women; we had to discuss everything endlessly because we never agreed upon anything! I joke that being in a sorority prepared me for workplace staff meetings. People are always surprised to hear that I was a "sorority girl" because I don't fit the stereotype in their minds. The fact is, not many of my sisters did.
When my daughter was interested, I told her to go in with an open mind, decide where she felt most comfortable without regard to my affiliation, and to not feel pressured to join if she didn't feel it was her thing. She did end up pledging and had a great experience; it really helped her come out of her shell, so to speak.
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Post by alissa103 on May 27, 2016 12:18:10 GMT
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