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Post by finaledition on May 28, 2016 5:37:53 GMT
Just a few general thoughts and saving spoilers till tomorrow....
Hurray for the new opening scenes...hints of what's to come.
There is a scene with Jamie-be still my heart. Oh so sweet!
The mention of a character in a future book. Loved that little insert.
Twitter is abuzz over 2 things:
The jump the shark story line. It is a biggie for book readers. I am a book reader and can't say I love the change, but Anne Kenney states at the end that it was necessary for a future story line so I'm on the trust the production team.
2nd is people kept using the phrase-fade to black and not happy about their use of it. Lol. I'll let you see for yourself.
Loved the first half, but second half just seemed a little drawn out.
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Post by nitad on May 28, 2016 8:39:08 GMT
Jump the shark storyline?? Not sure what that even means but it sounds ominous and I don't think I'm gonna like it!! LOL. Here in BC I have to wait until Sunday to watch  |
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Post by finaledition on May 28, 2016 14:42:41 GMT
Jump the shark storyline?? Not sure what that even means but it sounds ominous and I don't think I'm gonna like it!! LOL. Here in BC I have to wait until Sunday to watch We had a thread about this a couple weeks ago. Diana Gabaldon posted on Facebook about an episode that "jumps the shark" which had many fans speculating what she meant. She went on to clarify that she meant that she thought something went too far or was inappropriate and the book readers would not like it. Well based on what I saw on Twitter last night, book readers hated it. I'm a book reader and I'm just trying to keep an open mind about their reason. So if you are not a book reader you probably won't even think twice about it. |
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Post by annaintx on May 28, 2016 17:05:42 GMT
I can honestly say I didn't like it. Claire having the "vision" was so strange, although I loved Colum's disbelief of the whole thing. His facial expressions were awesome. And then the whole Leoghaire (or however it's spelled) thing was irritating. I did love the new opening--you can see (I think) Roger and Bree!! |
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Post by finaledition on May 28, 2016 17:52:15 GMT
I can honestly say I didn't like it. Claire having the "vision" was so strange, although I loved Colum's disbelief of the whole thing. His facial expressions were awesome. And then the whole Leoghaire (or however it's spelled) thing was irritating. I did love the new opening--you can see (I think) Roger and Bree!! Did you not like the episode or the Laoghaire part? And I agree, I went back and watched the opening scene and I do think that is Bree and Roger. Did you catch the reference to Aunt Jocasta?
And that part with Jamie and the baby, that was my favorite part last night.
As for Laoghaire, here's what I think. They made a decision in season 1 to have Jamie know that it was her that caused Claire to be tried as a witch. I don't think he finds that out until book 4 (possible 3, but I think it's much after the fact). So now they are forced to alter this whole storyline because of that 1 storyline decision in episode 1. So I suppose there were other ways to make it work, but I guess you need to be giving them credit for thinking of an idea now and weaving it into the storyline. That's not to say I think it was the best choice, but if you take it from the point of view of a non-reader, it works in terms of adding to that storyline and prepping you for things to come.
Overall, I just wish the whole episode was at Lallybroch. Sigh, I just love so much about the characters and interactions there. |
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Post by chaosisapony on May 28, 2016 19:23:02 GMT
How is everyone watching it so early? Is it on demand before the airing time or something?
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Post by finaledition on May 28, 2016 19:38:22 GMT
How is everyone watching it so early? Is it on demand before the airing time or something? You can watch thru the STARZ app. Unfortunately I have fricken Comcast and they don't authenticate the app, but I can also get it thru a Comcast app. It becomes available at 12:01 am eastern time on Saturday. I live on the west coast so can watch it at 9:00 Friday night. |
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Post by norcalscrapper on May 28, 2016 20:10:40 GMT
I'm also on the west coast. I have Comcast too, but I watch my episode Friday night through Amazon prime with the starz subscription.
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Post by chaosisapony on May 28, 2016 20:29:59 GMT
How is everyone watching it so early? Is it on demand before the airing time or something? You can watch thru the STARZ app. Unfortunately I have fricken Comcast and they don't authenticate the app, but I can also get it thru a Comcast app. It becomes available at 12:01 am eastern time on Saturday. I live on the west coast so can watch it at 9:00 Friday night. I have Comcast too. I've had a horrible experience trying out the HBO Now app so I've been reluctant to try the Starz app. I didn't know Comcast had one, I'll have to check it out. Thanks. |
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Post by stittsygirl on May 28, 2016 22:52:11 GMT
I've read the books, but I don't remember enough of DIA (I only read it once) to see what the book loyalists are upset about. I can see how they are now setting up a future storyline that is in the books.
That Fergus is such a cutie. I'm glad we still get to see a little more of him this season.
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Post by genny on May 29, 2016 12:22:29 GMT
DH was laughing at the scene where Claire was 'faking' and Colum was like 'whaattt'. He said they are SUCH bad actors - like, I mean they are GOOD actors being really good at being bad actors!
All through that episode I kept telling him what wasn't right, what is supposed to happen later etc. I couldn't wait to come on here to discuss some of the changes with people who know how it's supposed to be. I get that they have to change some things to make it translate better on screen, or to have to make the book fit properly into the season. Some things just didn't feel right though.
It's been a while since I read this book, but I thought I remembered that Young Simon was not a wimp as portrayed---am I wrong in that memory?
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Post by genny on May 29, 2016 12:25:30 GMT
annaintx you're right Jamie finds out that thing about Loaghaire or however you spell it in, in The Fiery Cross, which I think is 4. When i found out how that was pronounced, You know I was like wtf? I am sure there are a hundred gaelic words or names I've mispronounced reading them in my head all this time. I would have never guessed the pronunciation in 100 years.
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Post by JustTricia on May 29, 2016 12:37:48 GMT
I'm wondering if this now changes Colum's future as he didn't meet privately with Claire, or if that will happen later. I thought what came out of their meeting was powerful; if that changes it will be a let down.
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Post by Katie on May 29, 2016 12:54:03 GMT
annaintx you're right Jamie finds out that thing about Loaghaire or however you spell it in, in The Fiery Cross, which I think is 4. When i found out how that was pronounced, You know I was like wtf? I am sure there are a hundred gaelic words or names I've mispronounced reading them in my head all this time. I would have never guessed the pronunciation in 100 years. I've not read the books but I'm with you...never in a million years would have pronounced her name the way they say it in the show! And how she pronounced her last name as Beecham...never would have gotten that from Beauchamp. |
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Post by JustTricia on May 29, 2016 12:59:00 GMT
annaintx you're right Jamie finds out that thing about Loaghaire or however you spell it in, in The Fiery Cross, which I think is 4. When i found out how that was pronounced, You know I was like wtf? I am sure there are a hundred gaelic words or names I've mispronounced reading them in my head all this time. I would have never guessed the pronunciation in 100 years. I LOVE watching YouTube videos that show the name written and then how to pronounce it. It's fascinating. Makes me want a new name! |
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Post by annaintx on May 29, 2016 13:49:08 GMT
annaintx you're right Jamie finds out that thing about Loaghaire or however you spell it in, in The Fiery Cross, which I think is 4. When i found out how that was pronounced, You know I was like wtf? I am sure there are a hundred gaelic words or names I've mispronounced reading them in my head all this time. I would have never guessed the pronunciation in 100 years. Now that most have probably seen it... I think it was in Voyager that Jamie found out Laoghaire had Claire arrested for the witch trials. He did not know until much, much later in the timeline. (Don't want to give too much away if anyone here hasn't read the books!) Colum did not show up at the castle in the books, wonder how this will affect the storyline. Genny you are right--Jamie's cousins were much more brutal with him in the books, and Simon wasn't the way he was portrayed in the show. This is the first time I've been disappointed with the adaptation. i don't know how they are going to manage the Laoghaire storyline as it plays out in the books after including her so much in this episode. |
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Post by finaledition on May 29, 2016 18:41:20 GMT
chaosisapony I use the xfinity to go app to view it. Katie I'm an audio listener (mostly) to I have to do double takes to know if I spelled it correctly. Beauchamp...yep, never would have spelled that one correctly. stittsygirl I love the Fergus scenes. That boy they cast...he is beautiful. I know that's not how a boy would want to be described, but my goodness he is striking. And he is a good little actor to. I rewatched again last night and enjoyed it more the second viewing...I think I caught more that time and while I still wish it was a Lallybroch focused episode, there were a lot of key things that went on with Lord Lovett. Like the opening credits-I definitely think that's Bree and Roger. But there is also a shot that looks like a truck with military floodlights. In fact, there are a couple WWII looking shots, so I'm guessing Claire has some flashbacks. Anyone here have a problem with the "fade to black" criticism? Imagine, Outlander being criticized for not having enough sex in it? LOL We have 5 episodes left and so much to squeeze in, especially knowing they seem to be including some future scenes. So my wish is that they include all those tender moments between Jamie and Claire (like in the potato scene) and they keep reinforcing the amazing bond they have. As for Laoghaire (or as I've seen in the webosphere~Leghair  ), after thinking about it, I guess what I would say to people who are strongly opposed~what would you have them do? They already changed the story in season 1, it cannot play out like it did in the book without some adjustment along the way. Laoghaire is still portrayed as a villain (not to the BJR extent, but she clearly has not changed her desire for Jamie). I guess Claire opened the door for Laoghaire by having Jamie thank her. I don't know how fans expected it to play out. Just my 2 cents. Jamie referred to Simon as his cousin....that's his uncle. Slip in the writing or could all same age kin just be cousins? I think that I would not criticize this episode, more that I would just argue that is just one of several reasons that Dragonfly in Amber deserved more than 13 episodes. There are so many storylines that deserve to be filmed and not as condensed as it is feeling. I have appreciated most of the additions to the story this season-more Murtaugh, Colum at the castle, Louise at the hospital. And I do think most other people have as well, but I guess we pay the price for adding when we realize there is a finite amount of film for season 2 so they make some tough choices in cutting. I just think they are cutting too much between Jamie and Claire. Off to listen to the Scot and the Sassenach. I caught the first 10 minutes last night and they are really struggling with the timeline. The whole timeline goes over my head, but they were making my head spin with how messed up it is.
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Post by chaosisapony on May 29, 2016 19:34:44 GMT
I downloaded the Starz Play app using my existing Comcast subscription. I couldn't find an Xfinity app. But the Starz Play works perfectly and it was super easy. I got to watch Outlander earlier! I'm stoked to not have to stay up late just to watch it.
It seems like they really rushed the transition from France back to Scotland. I wasn't ready for it and it was a little bit confusing. They spent so much time in France doing NOTHING (I hated the time spent in France in the book too) and now that we're about to get into the thick of it they're going to rush it all into 5 episodes? Not a good plan.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 29, 2016 22:13:52 GMT
Just finished watching. eh...I don't see how any of that storyline changed up anything, OR jumped the shark. Just because they showed what's her name now, mean's nothing. it's setting up for them later.
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Post by lucyg on May 29, 2016 22:19:56 GMT
I'm not watching, but I've been buying my sister each season as it comes out on DVD. Two so far, right? Or two parts of season one or something? I'm just posting to find out what season we're on and if I've missed anything.  Thanks!! |
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Post by chaosisapony on May 29, 2016 23:46:38 GMT
Season 1 was divided into two parts. The current season is season 2. |
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Post by lucyg on May 30, 2016 0:02:32 GMT
Season 1 was divided into two parts. The current season is season 2. Thank you! I'll watch for it to come out on DVD. |
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Post by finaledition on May 30, 2016 1:09:37 GMT
lucyg I'm asking this in a just curious way, but why are you not watching? I watched the first episode last year while it was on for free and I could not sign up for STARZ fast enough-and I had never subscribed to a premium cable channel before. I grew up with Thorn Birds and Winds of War so I guess you can say I always loved those big sweeping stories. I have convinced many people to try it. One was put off by the sex, most because they don't want to pay to watch, and a few because they had a hard time classifying the genre. So I'm just curious why you aren't watching?
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Post by jackietex on May 30, 2016 2:04:45 GMT
I enjoyed episode 208, it reminded me a lot of season 1. Loved the Lallybroch scenes, didn't realize that it was supposed to take place seven months after they arrived. Jamie and the baby? That scene could have been ten minutes long and I would have loved it. I didn't mind the fade to black. I enjoy the sexy times, but I don't have to see it played out to fruition every time. I don't think Diana Gabaldon understood the true meaning of "jump the shark" when she wrote it. I was okay with it since they didn't make Laoghaire out to be genuinely sweet and changed, still a creeper. They made her so so so evil in season one that it makes part of Voyager hard to believe, so they had to let Jamie see a slightly better side of her.
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Post by finaledition on May 30, 2016 4:00:19 GMT
Read an interesting Q&A on Twitter with Maril Davis (producer) Here's a few interesting tid bits.
The time that passed from episode 7 to the opening of episode 8 is about 8 months.
They have filmed two endings for the last episode of this season. More specifically I believe she said the last line is different. (This has me intrigued).
Voyager will likely not be broken up into 2 seasons.
Future seasons will not be 16 episodes as its too hard on cast and crew.
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Post by lucyg on May 30, 2016 5:32:17 GMT
lucyg I'm asking this in a just curious way, but why are you not watching? I watched the first episode last year while it was on for free and I could not sign up for STARZ fast enough-and I had never subscribed to a premium cable channel before. I grew up with Thorn Birds and Winds of War so I guess you can say I always loved those big sweeping stories. I have convinced many people to try it. One was put off by the sex, most because they don't want to pay to watch, and a few because they had a hard time classifying the genre. So I'm just curious why you aren't watching? I watched the first episode with my sister, but we never got back to it so that's why I started buying the DVDs for her. (We watch pretty much everything at my house because I have lots of cable and hers is minimal. She lives down the street from me.) I keep the TV on for cable news most of the day but just in the background. But I have trouble making myself sit down and focus on the TV for dramatic series. There's two seasons of Downton Abbey still sitting on my DVR that I haven't watched yet.  So I have to be pretty motivated to really watch ongoing TV shows and movies. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 30, 2016 15:55:25 GMT
They have filmed two endings for the last episode of this season. More specifically I believe she said the last line is different. (This has me intrigued). Voyager will likely not be broken up into 2 seasons. Future seasons will not be 16 episodes as its too hard on cast and crew. What does that all mean? I don't think this season is broken up in to two?? and so how many episodes will we get? Are they going the GOTs route? or what?? Which actually wouldn't work, because the series IS all written. |
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Post by finaledition on May 30, 2016 16:18:10 GMT
They have filmed two endings for the last episode of this season. More specifically I believe she said the last line is different. (This has me intrigued). Voyager will likely not be broken up into 2 seasons. Future seasons will not be 16 episodes as its too hard on cast and crew. What does that all mean? I don't think this season is broken up in to two?? and so how many episodes will we get? Are they going the GOTs route? or what?? Which actually wouldn't work, because the series IS all written. I think all future seasons of Outlander will be 13 (like this current season). This current season will play with no breaks till the end. There had been lots of speculation that one of the reasons we have not heard of season 3 renewal is because they might have been negotiating that Voyager be split into 2 season. I think for those of us who have read Voyager know that it is quite a monster of a book to tackle and retell in 13 episodes so I was definitely rooting for 2 season adaptation of Voyager. Listened to Ron's podcast, he and Anne are saying Episode 8 is 6-7 months after episode 7. And they also talked about how that scene with Jamie and the baby was nearly cut several times. That right there is why I'd like Voyager to be 2 seasons. I adore these small meaningful scenes straight from the book and too many of them will never become part of the Outlander adaptation. |
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Post by stittsygirl on May 30, 2016 17:00:29 GMT
What does that all mean? I don't think this season is broken up in to two?? and so how many episodes will we get? Are they going the GOTs route? or what?? Which actually wouldn't work, because the series IS all written. I think all future seasons of Outlander will be 13 (like this current season). This current season will play with no breaks till the end. There had been lots of speculation that one of the reasons we have not heard of season 3 renewal is because they might have been negotiating that Voyager be split into 2 season. I think for those of us who have read Voyager know that it is quite a monster of a book to tackle and retell in 13 episodes so I was definitely rooting for 2 season adaptation of Voyager. Listened to Ron's podcast, he and Anne are saying Episode 8 is 6-7 months after episode 7. And they also talked about how that scene with Jamie and the baby was nearly cut several times. That right there is why I'd like Voyager to be 2 seasons. I adore these small meaningful scenes straight from the book and too many of them will never become part of the Outlander adaptation. If that's the case, then the fourth book should be three seasons, and the fifth book four seasons, and so on and so on... they only seem to get longer  . |
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 30, 2016 17:01:50 GMT
I was going to say the same thing. EVERY book is pretty long.
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), after thinking about it, I guess what I would say to people who are strongly opposed~what would you have them do? They already changed the story in season 1, it cannot play out like it did in the book without some adjustment along the way. Laoghaire is still portrayed as a villain (not to the BJR extent, but she clearly has not changed her desire for Jamie). I guess Claire opened the door for Laoghaire by having Jamie thank her. I don't know how fans expected it to play out. Just my 2 cents. 
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