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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2016 19:27:38 GMT
The problem I have with Republican leadership now is that I don't think any of them really want to take care of our military. They want to spend more on defense, sure, but really help the military - those folks are few and far between.
Helping vets is more than writing a check, you have to see that care go through. You have to see that many of our Veterans are on food stamps, you have to see how their health care is handled when they are back.
I have yet to see anyone have a good plan that helps the military directly through military spending. If I'm missing it, I would love some links to read.
I used to work in defense on the contractor side. I have seen a lot of how it works that I wish I hadn't. I also realize that I probably just skim the surface of what is really going on, but it disgusted me. I am not naïve enough to think that if we just increase spending every soldier will have the body armor they need, or they will have the protection they need to be in the field. For as much as we spend now, those things shouldn't be an issue, but they most certainly are.
ETA - I have not watched video of the speech from the OP, although maybe I will when I have time. I'm certain I will not vote for Trump and I most likely will not vote for Hilary either. Not sure who I will vote for at this point - if the speech makes me feel differently I will come back and post.
That's definitely one of the marks against the Republicans and Democrats in power now. Their disregard have given Trump a lot of support. But who believes Trump will actually fix it? He isn't about taking care of the little guy. Not one of the people I know in active service think Trump will focus on servicemen/veteran care.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 3, 2016 19:41:39 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans? I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. And that being the case, and people still vote for The Donald.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:41:42 GMT
I googled this and the only thing coming up with this viewpoint are from some pretty far right conservative sites...i.e. Allen West, Washington Times, Bare Naked Islam , and of course, fox news. On the other hand, I think the military spending of approximately 2.5 BILLION to 3.5 BILLION developing a new class of destroyers called the Zumwalt class isn't necessarily indicative of a decimated military, sure it's down from the 22 BILLION that the Navy was seeking, but don't blame that on Obama, when the Navy went 81% over the original estimate of the cost of the program, it was required by law to re-certify and re-justify the program to Congress...that happened just 5 days after President Obama took office. Currently our military industrial complex is funded to more than 20% of our entire federal budget, so that doesn't sound so decimated to me either. We still have the single most technologically advanced, most far ranging and far reaching military on earth that is filled with better equipped, better trained and more experienced troops than any other country on earth, so I'm really not buying that whole "decimated military" talking point. You may believe that we are doing all we can for our military health, welfare and overall strength, but I do not. Call me whatever names float your boat. Sure, you can "believe" whatever you want, but that doesn't make it so....can you name some specific examples of where our military has been decimated? and for that matter, which specific over-regulations against employers have caused them to take their jobs overseas? perhaps the idea that they need to pay their fair share in taxes and pay their employees a livable wage with the opportunity to purchase health insurance? those "over-regulations"? Personally, I think the best thing we can do for the health and welfare of our military is keep them out of ill-advised and pre-emptive wars.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:43:01 GMT
I also agree with her about Trump's slogan "Making America Great Again". That is nothing but an insult to the country and the people in this country. This country is pretty darn good even with our faults. And yes we have some doozies but there are few other countries I would want to live in even with its warts. one of the things that grates on me the most about Trump is when he says we have to make America great again. I think The U.S. is still great despite some ups and downs we have gone through as a nation. our ability to make it through hard times is what makes us great. to me, a bad day in The US is still way better than a good day in lots of other countries.
Trump just sounds so ungrateful for the opportunities this country has given him. after all, it's enabled him to become as wealthy as he is today. It's allowed him to file bankruptcy time and time again while allowing him to keep his personal wealth. Our freedom of speech has also allowed him to say the stupid and hateful shit he's said. The USA should be the greatest country on Earth to trump.
Can We be better? sure, but on the whole, I think the USA will always be great.
ETA: and not to be nit picky, he should be saying "let's make the United States great again. AMERICA includes Canada and Mexico and his Presidency would not extend to those countries. Idiot.
That's how millions of Americans felt when Obama said over and over that he wants to "fundamentally change America". I think Trump's "make America great again" is a response to that. Most of those insulted by Trump's slogan had no problem with Obama's. Things that make you go hmmmm.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 3, 2016 19:43:53 GMT
The problem I have with Republican leadership now is that I don't think any of them really want to take care of our military. They want to spend more on defense, sure, but really help the military - those folks are few and far between.
Helping vets is more than writing a check, you have to see that care go through. You have to see that many of our Veterans are on food stamps, you have to see how their health care is handled when they are back.
I have yet to see anyone have a good plan that helps the military directly through military spending. If I'm missing it, I would love some links to read.
I used to work in defense on the contractor side. I have seen a lot of how it works that I wish I hadn't. I also realize that I probably just skim the surface of what is really going on, but it disgusted me. I am not naïve enough to think that if we just increase spending every soldier will have the body armor they need, or they will have the protection they need to be in the field. For as much as we spend now, those things shouldn't be an issue, but they most certainly are.
ETA - I have not watched video of the speech from the OP, although maybe I will when I have time. I'm certain I will not vote for Trump and I most likely will not vote for Hilary either. Not sure who I will vote for at this point - if the speech makes me feel differently I will come back and post.
That's definitely one of the marks against the Republicans and Democrats in power now. Their disregard have given Trump a lot of support. How do you feel about Trump's fundraiser for veterans and the donation he supposedly made? I hope that is not an indication of how he will treat our veterans if elected.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 3, 2016 19:45:53 GMT
I think Hillary won when it became obvious Trump would be the Republican nominee. I think they both suck, but she's by far better qualified. I'll probably vote 3rd party. It will be interesting to see what happens in my normally Republican state. I have heard many say they will not cast a vote for Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:47:09 GMT
I googled this and the only thing coming up with this viewpoint are from some pretty far right conservative sites...i.e. Allen West, Washington Times, Bare Naked Islam , and of course, fox news. On the other hand, I think the military spending of approximately 2.5 BILLION to 3.5 BILLION developing a new class of destroyers called the Zumwalt class isn't necessarily indicative of a decimated military, sure it's down from the 22 BILLION that the Navy was seeking, but don't blame that on Obama, when the Navy went 81% over the original estimate of the cost of the program, it was required by law to re-certify and re-justify the program to Congress...that happened just 5 days after President Obama took office. Currently our military industrial complex is funded to more than 20% of our entire federal budget, so that doesn't sound so decimated to me either. We still have the single most technologically advanced, most far ranging and far reaching military on earth that is filled with better equipped, better trained and more experienced troops than any other country on earth, so I'm really not buying that whole "decimated military" talking point. You may believe that we are doing all we can for our military health, welfare and overall strength, but I do not. Call me whatever names float your boat. Who called you names?
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Post by Merge on Jun 3, 2016 21:13:35 GMT
one of the things that grates on me the most about Trump is when he says we have to make America great again. I think The U.S. is still great despite some ups and downs we have gone through as a nation. our ability to make it through hard times is what makes us great. to me, a bad day in The US is still way better than a good day in lots of other countries.
Trump just sounds so ungrateful for the opportunities this country has given him. after all, it's enabled him to become as wealthy as he is today. It's allowed him to file bankruptcy time and time again while allowing him to keep his personal wealth. Our freedom of speech has also allowed him to say the stupid and hateful shit he's said. The USA should be the greatest country on Earth to trump.
Can We be better? sure, but on the whole, I think the USA will always be great.
ETA: and not to be nit picky, he should be saying "let's make the United States great again. AMERICA includes Canada and Mexico and his Presidency would not extend to those countries. Idiot.
That's how millions of Americans felt when Obama said over and over that he wants to "fundamentally change America". I think Trump's "make America great again" is a response to that. Most of those insulted by Trump's slogan had no problem with Obama's. Things that make you go hmmmm. Actually, Obama said it exactly once. It was not a slogan of his campaign by any means and the context in which it was said was important: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/feb/06/what-barack-obama-has-said-about-fundamentally-tra/It was the conservative media who latched on to the phrase, took it out of context, repeated it over and over, and assigned all manner of nefarious meaning to it. Trump's slogan, on the other hand, is an actual campaign slogan, and he's been very explicit about what he means by it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 21:41:10 GMT
That's how millions of Americans felt when Obama said over and over that he wants to "fundamentally change America". I think Trump's "make America great again" is a response to that. Most of those insulted by Trump's slogan had no problem with Obama's. Things that make you go hmmmm. Actually, Obama said it exactly once. It was not a slogan of his campaign by any means and the context in which it was said was important: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/feb/06/what-barack-obama-has-said-about-fundamentally-tra/It was the conservative media who latched on to the phrase, took it out of context, repeated it over and over, and assigned all manner of nefarious meaning to it. Trump's slogan, on the other hand, is an actual campaign slogan, and he's been very explicit about what he means by it. I'm glad you brought that up, because I was going to knowing that it wasn't said "over and over" nor was it a part of our President's campaigns....BOTH of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 21:48:22 GMT
That's how millions of Americans felt when Obama said over and over that he wants to "fundamentally change America". I think Trump's "make America great again" is a response to that. Most of those insulted by Trump's slogan had no problem with Obama's. Things that make you go hmmmm. Actually, Obama said it exactly once. It was not a slogan of his campaign by any means and the context in which it was said was important: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/feb/06/what-barack-obama-has-said-about-fundamentally-tra/It was the conservative media who latched on to the phrase, took it out of context, repeated it over and over, and assigned all manner of nefarious meaning to it. Trump's slogan, on the other hand, is an actual campaign slogan, and he's been very explicit about what he means by it. You're right, it was the media that repeated it, but it certainly did go along with his campaign slogans of Hope and Change and Michelle saying she hasn't been proud of her country in her whole adult life until people wanted change. It created the same feeling then about Obama's statements on it that Trump is creating now with his.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 3, 2016 23:15:00 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans? I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. That's about where I'm at. She bills herself as such a foreign policy expert, but then you look at her record as well as the Obama record - of which she claims to want a third term. I really thought one of the big lessons we learned from Iraq was that you don't depose a dangerous leader without a plan for the peace. Nope, not Hillary, look what happened in Libya - it's a mess. As a matter of fact, the whole middle east is much more of a mess than when Obama took office. He let ISIS take hold, he proved there is no red line, there is nothing for our enemies to fear. Unless you count "strongly worded" letters or speeches. Ooo, terrifying.
Remember that missile defense shield Bush promised Eastern Europe? The one that Obama cancelled in 2009? Yeah, it appears it is now revived and going in. Hey, maybe Bush did that for a reason after all, eh? Our ships have been buzzed by Soviet aircraft. Our sailors have been taken hostage by Iran. China is expanding its military in the South China sea. They've installed surface to air missiles and extended radar there on outlying islands, affecting our allies in the region and our ability to go to their aid should the need arise.
Obama insults our friends and our allies can't count on us. Our enemies thumb their noses at us.
Hillary potentially put lives in danger with her little e-mail "lapse in judgement" and not following proper rules in place in the State Department when she took office. She and 8 of her closest aids refuse to cooperate with the Inspector General. She deleted, rather than turn over, her e-mails as required when she left office. She didn't want her e-mails searchable or subject to FOIA.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CeuYStd3s
And Trump is supposed to be the dangerous one?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 23:18:24 GMT
Actually, Obama said it exactly once. It was not a slogan of his campaign by any means and the context in which it was said was important: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/feb/06/what-barack-obama-has-said-about-fundamentally-tra/It was the conservative media who latched on to the phrase, took it out of context, repeated it over and over, and assigned all manner of nefarious meaning to it. Trump's slogan, on the other hand, is an actual campaign slogan, and he's been very explicit about what he means by it. You're right, it was the media that repeated it, but it certainly did go along with his campaign slogans of Hope and Change and Michelle saying she hasn't been proud of her country in her whole adult life until people wanted change. It created the same feeling then about Obama's statements on it that Trump is creating now with his. No, not really, but you keep trying to make fetch happen...lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 23:25:34 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans? I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. That's about where I'm at. She bills herself as such a foreign policy expert, but then you look at her record as well as the Obama record - of which she claims to want a third term. I really thought one of the big lessons we learned from Iraq was that you don't depose a dangerous leader without a plan for the peace. Nope, not Hillary, look what happened in Libya - it's a mess. As a matter of fact, the whole middle east is much more of a mess than when Obama took office. He let ISIS take hold, he proved there is no red line, there is nothing for our enemies to fear. Unless you count "strongly worded" letters or speeches. Ooo, terrifying.
Remember that missile defense shield Bush promised Eastern Europe? The one that Obama cancelled in 2009? Yeah, it appears it is now revived and going in. Hey, maybe Bush did that for a reason after all, eh? Our ships have been buzzed by Soviet aircraft. Our sailors have been taken hostage by Iran. China is expanding its military in the South China sea. They've installed surface to air missiles and extended radar there on outlying islands, affecting our allies in the region and our ability to go to their aid should the need arise.
Obama insults our friends and our allies can't count on us. Our enemies thumb their noses at us.
Hillary potentially put lives in danger with her little e-mail "lapse in judgement" and not following proper rules in place in the State Department when she took office. She and 8 of her closest aids refuse to cooperate with the Inspector General. She deleted, rather than turn over, her e-mails as required when she left office. She didn't want her e-mails searchable or subject to FOIA.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CeuYStd3s
And Trump is supposed to be the dangerous one?
Phooey!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 23:50:34 GMT
You're right, it was the media that repeated it, but it certainly did go along with his campaign slogans of Hope and Change and Michelle saying she hasn't been proud of her country in her whole adult life until people wanted change. It created the same feeling then about Obama's statements on it that Trump is creating now with his. No, not really, but you keep trying to make fetch happen...lol Yes, it did create the same feeling then about Obama's statements on it that Trump is creating now with his. Just because you didn't feel that way, doesn't change that for others. But you keep pretending you're Regina George.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 23:58:09 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans? I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. That's about where I'm at. She bills herself as such a foreign policy expert, but then you look at her record as well as the Obama record - of which she claims to want a third term. I really thought one of the big lessons we learned from Iraq was that you don't depose a dangerous leader without a plan for the peace. Nope, not Hillary, look what happened in Libya - it's a mess. As a matter of fact, the whole middle east is much more of a mess than when Obama took office. He let ISIS take hold, he proved there is no red line, there is nothing for our enemies to fear. Unless you count "strongly worded" letters or speeches. Ooo, terrifying.
Remember that missile defense shield Bush promised Eastern Europe? The one that Obama cancelled in 2009? Yeah, it appears it is now revived and going in. Hey, maybe Bush did that for a reason after all, eh? Our ships have been buzzed by Soviet aircraft. Our sailors have been taken hostage by Iran. China is expanding its military in the South China sea. They've installed surface to air missiles and extended radar there on outlying islands, affecting our allies in the region and our ability to go to their aid should the need arise.
Obama insults our friends and our allies can't count on us. Our enemies thumb their noses at us.
Hillary potentially put lives in danger with her little e-mail "lapse in judgement" and not following proper rules in place in the State Department when she took office. She and 8 of her closest aids refuse to cooperate with the Inspector General. She deleted, rather than turn over, her e-mails as required when she left office. She didn't want her e-mails searchable or subject to FOIA.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CeuYStd3s
And Trump is supposed to be the dangerous one?
Every time I see someone make a complaint about a Republican politician, there are always equally matched issues with the Democrat they support. They won't hear it though. It's always different in their mind. They'll latch onto some unimportant little point and claim that's what makes it different, despite how similar the issue is.
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Post by cajeanne on Jun 4, 2016 0:09:17 GMT
That's definitely one of the marks against the Republicans and Democrats in power now. Their disregard have given Trump a lot of support. How do you feel about Trump's fundraiser for veterans and the donation he supposedly made? I hope that is not an indication of how he will treat our veterans if elected. From what I hear he did make the donations. He was vetting the charities to make sure they were legitimate before he gave them money. And the Vets who were protesting at one of his rallies? Turns out they were helped by guess who? Yep Clinton's campaign. Fancy that.
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How do you feel about Trump's fundraiser for veterans and the donation he supposedly made? I hope that is not an indication of how he will treat our veterans if elected. From what I hear he did make the donations. He was vetting the charities to make sure they were legitimate before he gave them money. And the Vets who were protesting at one of his rallies? Turns out they were helped by guess who? Yep Clinton's campaign. Fancy that. Really it takes 4+ months to vet a charity? Surprising how fast that vetting got done once the press started asking questions. Hmm....fancy that!
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From what I hear he did make the donations. He was vetting the charities to make sure they were legitimate before he gave them money. And the Vets who were protesting at one of his rallies? Turns out they were helped by guess who? Yep Clinton's campaign. Fancy that. Really it takes 4+ months to vet a charity? Surprising how fast that vetting got done once the press started asking questions. Hmm....fancy that! Kind of like when three years in a row beginning in 2010, the Clinton Foundation reported to the IRS that it received zero in funds from foreign and U.S. governments, a dramatic fall-off from the tens of millions of dollars in foreign government contributions reported in preceding years. Until the press (Reuters) did a review.
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No, not really, but you keep trying to make fetch happen...lol Yes, it did create the same feeling then about Obama's statements on it that Trump is creating now with his. Just because you didn't feel that way, doesn't change that for others. But you keep pretending you're Regina George. Hmmm....let's see "Hope of Change" sounded like a pretty positive message after a horrible attack on our country, a disastrous ill-advised, COSTLY war, the edge of a financial meltdown that this country has never faced, a budget surplus that disappeared in eight short years, a tax cut that we're still paying for compared to........"Make American Great Again!" by let's see....building a wall, banning all muslims, insulting most minorities, attacking women, name calling anyone who dares question him, especially the media. I sure don't remember any of those things being in President Obama's campaign message. Actually, I probably more of a Cady Heron.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 0:50:06 GMT
Really it takes 4+ months to vet a charity? Surprising how fast that vetting got done once the press started asking questions. Hmm....fancy that! Kind of like when three years in a row beginning in 2010, the Clinton Foundation reported to the IRS that it received zero in funds from foreign and U.S. governments, a dramatic fall-off from the tens of millions of dollars in foreign government contributions reported in preceding years. Until the press (Reuters) did a review. Now if I go and check this out will I find the proof to support your claims or is this just another one of your off handed remarks?
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Post by amom23 on Jun 4, 2016 0:56:02 GMT
Really it takes 4+ months to vet a charity? Surprising how fast that vetting got done once the press started asking questions. Hmm....fancy that! Kind of like when three years in a row beginning in 2010, the Clinton Foundation reported to the IRS that it received zero in funds from foreign and U.S. governments, a dramatic fall-off from the tens of millions of dollars in foreign government contributions reported in preceding years. Until the press (Reuters) did a review. Obviously reading comprehension isn't your thing tonight. What does the Clinton Foundation have to with Donald's slow lack of vetting of charity groups?
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Yes, it did create the same feeling then about Obama's statements on it that Trump is creating now with his. Just because you didn't feel that way, doesn't change that for others. But you keep pretending you're Regina George. Hmmm....let's see "Hope of Change" sounded like a pretty positive message after a horrible attack on our country, a disastrous ill-advised, COSTLY war, the edge of a financial meltdown that this country has never faced, a budget surplus that disappeared in eight short years, a tax cut that we're still paying for compared to........"Make American Great Again!" by let's see....building a wall, banning all muslims, insulting most minorities, attacking women, name calling anyone who dares question him, especially the media. I sure don't remember any of those things being in President Obama's campaign message. Actually, I probably more of a Cady Heron. None of that was said by Donald Trump at the time that Obama said he was going to "fundamentally change America". So, my statement still stands to those "insulted" that Trump is saying he wants to "make America great again" are experiencing what others felt when Obama said something similar. Both statements by themselves sound pretty positive. It's the things that accompany them that lead people to not like the message they convey.
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Kind of like when three years in a row beginning in 2010, the Clinton Foundation reported to the IRS that it received zero in funds from foreign and U.S. governments, a dramatic fall-off from the tens of millions of dollars in foreign government contributions reported in preceding years. Until the press (Reuters) did a review. Obviously reading comprehension isn't your thing tonight. What does the Clinton Foundation have to with Donald's slow lack of vetting of charity groups? No need to insult me, but it goes along with the point I was making above that post.
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I appreciate the fact you provided a link. However to imply the Clinton Foundation revising tax returns is on the same level as Trump saying he donated alllll this money to veterans groups and no one being able to find actual proof until they forced Trump's hand are two different things. Especially since his previous donations were not as he boasted. The fact the Clinton Foundation revised their tax returns is not a big conspiracy to hide something as you would like one to believe. It happens all the time to non profits. The attached link is from the Clinton Foundation website and addresses the revised tax returns. From the link " All contributions were previously accounted for as revenue on other parts of form 990. In addition all of the donors now added to Schedule B had been disclosed on the Foundation's website." The website discusses donations from Foreign Countries and how they affect the Foundation now that Hillary is running for President. Of course there are those who are going to believe the worse about the Foundation because that is what they want to believe. Even though Charity Watch as given the Foundation an A rating. 88% of the donations received go toward their charitable programs. That includes in house programs and programs they specifically donate to.
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I appreciate the fact you provided a link. However to imply the Clinton Foundation revising tax returns is on the same level as Trump saying he donated alllll this money to veterans groups and no one being able to find actual proof until they forced Trump's hand are two different things. Especially since his previous donations were not as he boasted. ...... It's just that simple. It's not necessary to dissect why they aren't exactly the same.
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I appreciate the fact you provided a link. However to imply the Clinton Foundation revising tax returns is on the same level as Trump saying he donated alllll this money to veterans groups and no one being able to find actual proof until they forced Trump's hand are two different things. Especially since his previous donations were not as he boasted. ...... It's just that simple. It's not necessary to dissect why they aren't exactly the same. I suppose you are trying to make one of your " valid" points but I'm darned if I know what it is.
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You can't compare the two....totally different because it sure as hell wasn't Hillary Clinton standing at that podium at Drake University in Des Moines, IA after throwing a tantrum about the upcoming GOP debate and decided to skip it to hold his own party to "raise money for the vets".....Donald, Donald, Donald...if you want to publically announce that you're hosting a function to raise money for veterans out of spite to the other candidates debating a mere three miles away, but then four months later get all butt hurt when the public wants to know where the money is, might be a clue to him and his supporters that he probably isn't cut out for public service.
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...... It's just that simple. It's not necessary to dissect why they aren't exactly the same. I suppose you are trying to make one of your " valid" points but I'm darned if I know what it is. It really isn't that difficult, I even highlighted it for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 3:07:45 GMT
You can't compare the two....totally different because it sure as hell wasn't Hillary Clinton standing at that podium at Drake University in Des Moines, IA after throwing a tantrum about the upcoming GOP debate and decided to skip it to hold his own party to "raise money for the vets".....Donald, Donald, Donald...if you want to publically announce that you're hosting a function to raise money for veterans out of spite to the other candidates debating a mere three miles away, but then four months later get all butt hurt when the public wants to know where the money is, might be a clue to him and his supporters that he probably isn't cut out for public service. I'm not comparing the two instances, I'm comparing the point that neither of them did anything until the press got involved and forced their hand.
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