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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:18:18 GMT
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As a rule I don't listen to an entire speech of any politician for a lot of reasons. Today I listened to Hillary give her Foreign Policy speech in San Diego. I think she did a pretty good job. She made her points and her case why we should be very afraid of a Trump Presidency. And the differences between them. Especially like the part where she called him thin skinned. I remember thinking you certainly can't say that about Hillary. And I think to be President in this country you have to have a really thick skin. I also agree with her about Trump's slogan "Making America Great Again". That is nothing but an insult to the country and the people in this country. This country is pretty darn good even with our faults. And yes we have some doozies but there are few other countries I would want to live in even with its warts. And whether she meant to or not she also, I think, took a successful swipe at Sanders. Yup I was pretty impressed with her speech today. She surprised me in a good way.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 2, 2016 21:30:28 GMT
I also agree with her about Trump's slogan "Making America Great Again". That is nothing but an insult to the country and the people in this country. This country is pretty darn good even with our faults. And yes we have some doozies but there are few other countries I would want to live in even with its warts. one of the things that grates on me the most about Trump is when he says we have to make America great again. I think The U.S. is still great despite some ups and downs we have gone through as a nation. our ability to make it through hard times is what makes us great. to me, a bad day in The US is still way better than a good day in lots of other countries.
Trump just sounds so ungrateful for the opportunities this country has given him. after all, it's enabled him to become as wealthy as he is today. It's allowed him to file bankruptcy time and time again while allowing him to keep his personal wealth. Our freedom of speech has also allowed him to say the stupid and hateful shit he's said. The USA should be the greatest country on Earth to trump.
Can We be better? sure, but on the whole, I think the USA will always be great.
ETA: and not to be nit picky, he should be saying "let's make the United States great again. AMERICA includes Canada and Mexico and his Presidency would not extend to those countries. Idiot.
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Post by phyllis on Jun 2, 2016 21:43:18 GMT
I think America is great already! Sure, we can be better, but I think we have pretty good opportunities here in the USA. Trump just scares me-- for many years, we have been working on anti-bullying in the schools, and along comes a presidential candidate who is one of the biggest bullies I have seen. I cannot imagine how bad it must look to other countries. I have raised my children to practice kindness, and to treat others with respect. It just saddens me to watch the news.
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Post by gar on Jun 2, 2016 22:13:56 GMT
I cannot imagine how bad it must look to other countries. Bad, but not as bad as it will if you actually elect him
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 2, 2016 22:48:33 GMT
It was excellent. She eviscerated Trump.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 22:51:12 GMT
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A scripted TV program?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 22:52:06 GMT
(null) A scripted TV program? Well Mizindependent deleted her post as I was questioning it.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 2, 2016 23:05:11 GMT
I decided it wasn't appropriate to post. I evolved on the issue.
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Post by amom23 on Jun 3, 2016 0:23:32 GMT
Great speech! Way to go after it Hillary!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 0:52:03 GMT
I was watching the talking heads on MSNBC talk about the speech. While they liked the speech they felt it was geared to political elites and not your everyday blue collar workers.
I don't think it was but everyday voters may have tune it out because it involved foreign policy and didn't address their concerns here in the US.
I think that is a mistake on anybody's part to dismiss the importance of foreign policy.
Our fate, whether it's safety or economic, depends on what is happening in the rest of the world. Just as the rest of the world's fate is tied to what happens here in the US. Look how our Great Recession darn near sank Europe's economy and how now folks in the US are keeping a close eye on China's economy. The price paid for globalization is we are all hooked together.
The truth is not any of the three candidates will get much if any of their agenda through Congress. Although I see Ryan seems to think with Trump as president they can work together and push through the Republican's agenda. Apparently Ryan is ignoring members of his own policy and the Democrats.
This country has shown it can limp along sort of ok without Congress. We have been doing it for years. Where we run into problems is when the rest of the world has problems, even worse then we have with a do nothing Congress. When that happens foreign policy becomes more important then domestic issues and that is why it's a mistake for the everyday or blue collar voters to dismiss foreign policy and what is said by the candidates. It does matter.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 3, 2016 5:43:19 GMT
I thought it was a fantastic speech, and I think Trump's response tonight was juvenile and, well, just plain batshit crazy.
ETA and I rarely listen to politicians' speeches all the way through, either. The talking heads give me the highlights. This speech pretty much had me riveted all the way through. I think she won the election today, just as Mitt Romney lost his election in 2012 with his 47% speech.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 13:44:45 GMT
I can't wait until she cleans his clock during a/the debate(s) I'm almost salivating at the thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 13:48:28 GMT
I don't like to jinx things but watching that speech I agree I think she did win the election yesterday after that speech.
The comparison between Trump's rant last night and the Hillary's speech is breathtaking. Trump is such a petty SOB
But Bay Area Democratic peas we have a problem. Someone pointed out last night if the NBA Team from the West wins the finals during an election year a Democrat won't be in the White House. (who has the time to notice these things?)
So let's hope this trend is broken and both the Warriors and Hillary win.
Go Warriors! Way to go Hillary!
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Post by casii on Jun 3, 2016 14:18:56 GMT
That was a speech worth sharing and I would if not for the Trump loving members of my family who have already posted about how he showed Hilary with his response. Okay..., I'm befuddled how some of these folks are on my family tree.
I have visions of a debate where Trump, frustrated by his inability to intelligently articulate a response to Hilary, will end his rebuttals with phrases along the lines of "Because I said so, that's why" or "So there!"
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Post by amom23 on Jun 3, 2016 15:06:22 GMT
That was a speech worth sharing and I would if not for the Trump loving members of my family who have already posted about how he showed Hilary with his response. Okay..., I'm befuddled how some of these folks are on my family tree. I have visions of a debate where Trump, frustrated by his inability to intelligently articulate a response to Hilary, will end his rebuttals with phrases along the lines of "Because I said so, that's why" or "So there!" OMG I totally agree with you re: future debates!
My mother has always called herself a Republican and at age 72 she can't even tell you why. I find that sad - not because she calls herself a Republican (lol), but because she can't explain why she feels she is one. My brother on the other hand is more of tea party guy. He was all about Marco Rubio until he dropped out. Now it's just radio silence from my brother. I suspect even he is having a hard time wrapping his head around the thought of Donald Trump as president.
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Post by coffeetalk on Jun 3, 2016 16:53:03 GMT
That was a speech worth sharing and I would if not for the Trump loving members of my family who have already posted about how he showed Hilary with his response. Okay..., I'm befuddled how some of these folks are on my family tree. I have visions of a debate where Trump, frustrated by his inability to intelligently articulate a response to Hilary, will end his rebuttals with phrases along the lines of "Because I said so, that's why" or "So there!" Add to that, ''I'm rubber, you're glue . . .'' and ''nah, nah-nah, boo-boo!'' SaveSave
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Post by hennybutton on Jun 3, 2016 17:11:57 GMT
I heard part of Trump's response this morning. His main argument seems to be "She doesn't look presidential." WTF does that even mean?
We're doomed.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2016 17:29:52 GMT
I think Hillary is extremely thin-skinned and have felt that way for a very long time.
And I don't think America is as great as it has been nor as it could be. Far from finding that statement insulting, it pretty much sums up how I feel.
Don't get me wrong here. I'm against how it happened but I am for national legality for same sex marriage and I do think that this has been for our general good.
But with the decimation of our military and the overregulation of employers leading to a terrible loss of steady, livable employment, I think this country is in a world of hurt right now.
Signed, someone not willing to hand California back to Mexico.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 3, 2016 17:38:18 GMT
I worry about comments like 'I know more than the generals about ISIS.' I've said this before, but if he isn't going to listen, seriously listen to his military advisers, then he is going to get us into more trouble than diplomacy can handle and it won't be his children fighting in a ground war, it will be mine and the rest of us who children in uniform. I fully support the choice my son made, but he shouldn't be ground fodder for a man who felt like he was insulted, stomped his foot and sent in troops because he got his feelings hurt when someone disagreed with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 17:43:26 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans?
I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words.
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Post by raindancer on Jun 3, 2016 17:48:41 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans? I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. I wouldn't imagine that any hardcore Republican or conservative would be swayed no matter what. People who are solid left or right will vote for whoever the party parks on the ballot or will stay home. The people that would be swayed are the same as always, the independents. I didn't listen to the speech, but I think we need to be honest about who her audience is. It certainly isn't going to be Trump supporters, or republicans at large.
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Post by raindancer on Jun 3, 2016 17:52:38 GMT
ETA: and not to be nit picky, he should be saying "let's make the United States great again. AMERICA includes Canada and Mexico and his Presidency would not extend to those countries. Idiot. I don't think anyone globally thinks "Well do they mean Canada or the US or Mexico?" when someone uses the term "America". Truly. Yes, technically it is the US of America but I think colloquially, we all understand it to mean the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 17:57:22 GMT
And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. Words also have a very powerful message to give out too! Nice to know how Mr Trump feels about your country's allies and that he cares enough at what Russia and China think of the relationship.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 3, 2016 17:58:09 GMT
ETA: and not to be nit picky, he should be saying "let's make the United States great again. AMERICA includes Canada and Mexico and his Presidency would not extend to those countries. Idiot.
Saying this as a Canadian, no. North America includes Canada and Mexico, as does 'the Americas' (among others). America, however, is just the US.
ETA* I'll give you the 'idiot' thing, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 17:59:30 GMT
ETA: and not to be nit picky, he should be saying "let's make the United States great again. AMERICA includes Canada and Mexico and his Presidency would not extend to those countries. Idiot. I don't think anyone globally thinks "Well do they mean Canada or the US or Mexico?" when someone uses the term "America". Truly. Yes, technically it is the US of America but I think colloquially, we all understand it to mean the US. I have never, EVER heard a single person that lives in Canada, Mexico, or South America refer to themselves as living in America. I've heard the term "The Americas" to refer to North America, Central America, and South America, but no one would logically use the term America to refer to anything but the United States. That's just looking for something to pick at.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 3, 2016 18:09:30 GMT
Just curious - is there anyone on this thread that thinks the speech was all that and a box of bon bons that wasn't already going to vote for Hillary or a liberal? Did her speech sway any conservatives or Republicans? I don't equate the ability to give a speech to the ability to lead. And you can give a speech all day long about how honest you are, but actions speak louder than any words. I'm an independent and I would have expected her speech to be good. The topic is something she is familiar with, she has been speaking in public for many years and this was her crowd. She is a seasoned politician and knows how to give speeches I'm still undecided, but doubt I will vote for either Hillary or Trump.
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2016 18:43:59 GMT
I think Hillary is extremely thin-skinned and have felt that way for a very long time. And I don't think America is as great as it has been nor as it could be. Far from finding that statement insulting, it pretty much sums up how I feel. Don't get me wrong here. I'm against how it happened but I am for national legality for same sex marriage and I do think that this has been for our general good. But with the decimation of our military and the overregulation of employers leading to a terrible loss of steady, livable employment, I think this country is in a world of hurt right now. Signed, someone not willing to hand California back to Mexico. The problem I have with Republican leadership now is that I don't think any of them really want to take care of our military. They want to spend more on defense, sure, but really help the military - those folks are few and far between.
Helping vets is more than writing a check, you have to see that care go through. You have to see that many of our Veterans are on food stamps, you have to see how their health care is handled when they are back.
I have yet to see anyone have a good plan that helps the military directly through military spending. If I'm missing it, I would love some links to read.
I used to work in defense on the contractor side. I have seen a lot of how it works that I wish I hadn't. I also realize that I probably just skim the surface of what is really going on, but it disgusted me. I am not naïve enough to think that if we just increase spending every soldier will have the body armor they need, or they will have the protection they need to be in the field. For as much as we spend now, those things shouldn't be an issue, but they most certainly are.
ETA - I have not watched video of the speech from the OP, although maybe I will when I have time. I'm certain I will not vote for Trump and I most likely will not vote for Hilary either. Not sure who I will vote for at this point - if the speech makes me feel differently I will come back and post.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:13:21 GMT
I googled this and the only thing coming up with this viewpoint are from some pretty far right conservative sites...i.e. Allen West, Washington Times, Bare Naked Islam , and of course, fox news. On the other hand, I think the military spending of approximately 2.5 BILLION to 3.5 BILLION developing a new class of destroyers called the Zumwalt class isn't necessarily indicative of a decimated military, sure it's down from the 22 BILLION that the Navy was seeking, but don't blame that on Obama, when the Navy went 81% over the original estimate of the cost of the program, it was required by law to re-certify and re-justify the program to Congress...that happened just 5 days after President Obama took office. Currently our military industrial complex is funded to more than 20% of our entire federal budget, so that doesn't sound so decimated to me either. We still have the single most technologically advanced, most far ranging and far reaching military on earth that is filled with better equipped, better trained and more experienced troops than any other country on earth, so I'm really not buying that whole "decimated military" talking point.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2016 19:16:03 GMT
I think Hillary is extremely thin-skinned and have felt that way for a very long time. And I don't think America is as great as it has been nor as it could be. Far from finding that statement insulting, it pretty much sums up how I feel. Don't get me wrong here. I'm against how it happened but I am for national legality for same sex marriage and I do think that this has been for our general good. But with the decimation of our military and the overregulation of employers leading to a terrible loss of steady, livable employment, I think this country is in a world of hurt right now. Signed, someone not willing to hand California back to Mexico. The problem I have with Republican leadership now is that I don't think any of them really want to take care of our military. They want to spend more on defense, sure, but really help the military - those folks are few and far between.
Helping vets is more than writing a check, you have to see that care go through. You have to see that many of our Veterans are on food stamps, you have to see how their health care is handled when they are back.
I have yet to see anyone have a good plan that helps the military directly through military spending. If I'm missing it, I would love some links to read.
I used to work in defense on the contractor side. I have seen a lot of how it works that I wish I hadn't. I also realize that I probably just skim the surface of what is really going on, but it disgusted me. I am not naïve enough to think that if we just increase spending every soldier will have the body armor they need, or they will have the protection they need to be in the field. For as much as we spend now, those things shouldn't be an issue, but they most certainly are.
ETA - I have not watched video of the speech from the OP, although maybe I will when I have time. I'm certain I will not vote for Trump and I most likely will not vote for Hilary either. Not sure who I will vote for at this point - if the speech makes me feel differently I will come back and post.
That's definitely one of the marks against the Republicans and Democrats in power now. Their disregard have given Trump a lot of support.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 3, 2016 19:20:01 GMT
I googled this and the only thing coming up with this viewpoint are from some pretty far right conservative sites...i.e. Allen West, Washington Times, Bare Naked Islam , and of course, fox news. On the other hand, I think the military spending of approximately 2.5 BILLION to 3.5 BILLION developing a new class of destroyers called the Zumwalt class isn't necessarily indicative of a decimated military, sure it's down from the 22 BILLION that the Navy was seeking, but don't blame that on Obama, when the Navy went 81% over the original estimate of the cost of the program, it was required by law to re-certify and re-justify the program to Congress...that happened just 5 days after President Obama took office. Currently our military industrial complex is funded to more than 20% of our entire federal budget, so that doesn't sound so decimated to me either. We still have the single most technologically advanced, most far ranging and far reaching military on earth that is filled with better equipped, better trained and more experienced troops than any other country on earth, so I'm really not buying that whole "decimated military" talking point. You may believe that we are doing all we can for our military health, welfare and overall strength, but I do not. Call me whatever names float your boat.
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