4cboysmommy
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Post by 4cboysmommy on Jun 3, 2016 16:59:19 GMT
Thank you for all of the suggestions! We moved her crate closer to our bed and it has been so much better. She will yap for a minute or two and then settles right down. It is a huge difference. Thank you again! *Original*We just got a new puppy last Friday. She is a 9 week old mix. We have a crate and she has been sleeping in there since we got her...sort of. She will cry and whine and bark forever when we put her in for bed and each time we take her out to the bathroom. I know that your supposed to let her just deal, but she is waking the kids up at all hours of the night because her bark is ear piercing. I am working on getting her used to the crate with short bursts and treats, etc, but it doesn't help the night time issue right now. She doesn't seem to mind the concept of the crate, but once the door is shut all bets are off. Right now she is in our bedroom because I want to be able to hear her when she needs to go out. Are there any ways to get her to not be so noisy at night or do we just have to ride it out? Any tips and tricks would be appreciated. She is a pretty good girl overall, but everyone in this house is exhausted! And because I know the rules:
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Post by newfcathy on Jun 3, 2016 17:28:55 GMT
Awwww
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SweetieBsMom
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 3, 2016 17:47:34 GMT
Okay....seriously adorable! What a cutie!
I can tell you my experience from training our two puppies for the past two years. Both crates are in my room, 1 pup is turning two June 23rd and the other just turned one on April 15th. Both dogs only go to the crate to sleep at night. They never have any interest in it during the day. They will lay other places during the day. When they were pups I had a pen set up in my kitchen. If I couldn't have eyes on the pup for whatever the reason, pup was in the pen. I did this with both dogs. A night I'd say "crate" and the dogs would run to my room and get in their crates and wait for their treat. The first one was a HUGE whiner at night. I didn't talk to him or respond in any way other than shaking a can of coins. He didn't like the noise and his whining/barking stopped after about a week and a half. Don't get me wrong, it was a LONG week and a half. I could tell his "I have to go out whine" vs. his "I don't want to be in the crate" whine. The second pup is my spirit animal. She likes to go to bed as much as I do so I've never had an issue with her.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 3, 2016 18:01:58 GMT
I know many people crate their dogs. I don't have a problem with it. I haven't ever been able to do it even though we have had a crate. I always let mine sleep next to me. I had whimpering the first few nights, but no crying or keeping us up. Potty training was more difficult the first few weeks, but that was expected. I was also the mom who did the cry it out with babies. They were also trained within weeks. I have always had dogs that just went wherever they wanted to go in the house and other than the Christmas Tree Incident of 2011 and Chipgate of 2012, we haven't had big issues. For me, I want my dogs to have freedom and always have access to their people. Maybe you could move the crate as close to you as possible so that she doesn't feel so far away.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jun 3, 2016 18:08:22 GMT
Are you feeding her in her crate?
My dog took to the crate immediately. If she woke up at night I would take her out to potty and put her right back into the crate. I didn't really talk to her and if she made any noise I shushed her.
When I'm getting ready to go out she goes in there. When I'm washing my face at night she goes in there. Sometimes if I can't find her, she's in there! It is next to my bed.
It's worth the effort in the long run.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 3, 2016 18:18:24 GMT
Once dd started 4-H and we did her yearly dog caper, we started crate training. It's been the best decision ever, well right up there with obedience training We have trained both her 4 yr old German Shepherd Dog and my 1 1/2 yr old Samoyed puppy to sleep in their crate. Nita the GSD her crate, when we lose her in the house, she is almost always snoozing away in her crate! We got both of them as puppies and did feed them in their crates since we had other dogs and didn't want anyone stealing anyone else's food. We always treated them for going into their crates when told to. The puppy knows to go into his crate when he is told crate or even bedtime We also use our crates when we transport the dogs, so they are used to going into them then too. The older boy (11 yr old Samoyed) always runs to be the first into the crate when we open the RV and he does not sleep in a crate at night. We keep the doors open to our crates at home during the day unless we need to put the dogs in them (maintenance people, visitors at first, etc.). At about 2, when Nita stopped chewing she was allowed to sleep outside her crate at night. The Samoyed is a very restless sleeper so I still close his door at night. Is your puppy a German Shepherd? She is adorable!!!! There is a really good GSD message board that has been wonderful for learning about the breed and training tips. It's German Shepherds dot com
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Post by Lexica on Jun 3, 2016 18:19:05 GMT
I used crates when I had my 2 Weimaraners. I kept them stacked beside the bed in place of a nightstand until they were really comfortable in their crates, then I moved them elsewhere in the bedroom. With the crate right next to me, they could see me right there. If one started to whine, I would put me hand into the crate and scratch their heads and they would calm down. I also kept a night light on very low so that I could see them better. It didn't take too long for them to settle to it. But they also had each other which I think helped.
With the Maltipoo I have now, he sleeps on the bed with me. He is so small and easy to deal with that I haven't felt the need to crate him. He will happily jump into a carrier when I need it because I had a shoulder carrier I used when he was a puppy and he soon learned that jumping into that meant he got to come with me. I still have and use the purse carrier on occasion, and he is fine with it, but I just use his leash and harness the majority of the time when we go out. The only down side of training to a travel carrier instead of a stay-at-home crate is that he tries to jump into my suitcase or purse, knowing I was going somewhere and thinking it was the way to get to come with me. It hasn't caused any damage, and it makes me laugh, so it is no big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 18:21:38 GMT
not advice. Just wanted to say "what a cutie!"
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Post by MerryMom on Jun 3, 2016 18:52:35 GMT
If the crate is an adult sized one, we slid some 2x4 pieces of wood across the middle of the crate so the puppy slept in the front part of the crate. Sometimes, the full size one is just too darn big for a puppy early on especially when they are used to sleeping in a crowd. We crate our dogs when we aren't home, but the puppies and dogs slept in the bed with us. Our dogs always thought the crate was their "home".
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Post by KikiPea on Jun 3, 2016 18:58:44 GMT
I read up on it one night when our new dog was doing that, and it said to say their name, and "That's enough", in a stern voice. It worked on him immediately!
Good luck. She's a cutie!!!
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 3, 2016 19:05:21 GMT
I will say that this past weekend I left the crates open so they could sleep where they wanted. I wanted to see what they would do and if they'd cuddle together. Nope. They both slept in their own crates only the doors were open.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 3, 2016 19:13:21 GMT
I've always crated pups. One day, my 12.5 year old boxer crowded himself into the puppy's crate to get a little peace and quiet, I think
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Post by Linda on Jun 3, 2016 19:38:30 GMT
I have cats so not an expert on dogs by any means but I remember reading years ago that new puppies sometimes missed hearing the heartbeats from mum/littermates and an oldfashioned alarm clock (that ticks) wrapped up in a blanket helps them settle at night
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 3, 2016 19:48:53 GMT
Super cute puppy!!! I've got nothing to offer for help, but I wanted to say that I read your title as "Puppies and CRAFTING" And I was like, well I guess you could paint with your dog or knit a little doggie throw blanket...I think I need a nap!
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Post by snappinsami on Jun 3, 2016 19:49:15 GMT
Aw... She's so cute!
Like our previous Lab before him, Tucker HATED his crate at first - and by that, I mean for around 6 months after we got him. Combine living on a postage-stamp sized lot with neighbors within spitting distance, incredibly thin walls and non-insulated windows, and a sucker DH, Tucker was in our bed with us at night from the first night. (And amazingly, he NEVER had an accident during the night.) But when we'd have to leave during the day, that was another story. We had no choice but to leave him in the crate. According my (amazingly understanding and patient) neighbors, he'd cry, whine and bark for a good while after we'd leave him, but eventually he'd quiet down. The length of time shortened as he got older, and by 8 months or so, he no longer made a peep.
Unfortunately, you're probably going to have to just ride it out with her until she gets used to it. You can try to make the crate into a "happy place" by making it her special place to get treats or even putting her food in there, but none of that worked for Tucker. He'd go in fine for those things, and would even nap in the crate if the door was open. But if we closed the door and left him alone, he was miserable.
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Post by shamrock on Jun 3, 2016 19:50:53 GMT
I've crate trained 3 dogs. Two were Westies (one is 16 years old and the other is just 9 weeks!) and the 3rd was a beagle, basset, corgie mutt. The westies were easy and took right to the crate. The mutt, not so much. She cried/barked at night for a good 2 weeks. Then she did great.
Things I've done to help: treat when going in the crate, feed in the crate, put a small towel that I slept with (or one that I rubbed on the puppies litter mates & mom) in with the dog, radio on talk or static. With our newest westie, I got a stuffed toy that has a heartbeat. She LOVES it! She will pull it out of her crate and cuddle with it even when the heartbeat is off.
Crate training can be tough, but once dogs get used to it they really seem to identify it as a safe place for them to go when things get crazy.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 3, 2016 19:53:29 GMT
I read up on it one night when our new dog was doing that, and it said to say their name, and "That's enough", in a stern voice. It worked on him immediately! Good luck. She's a cutie!!! I don't know where I learned it, but we did this too We now use 'enough' as there signal to stop barking or whining.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 3, 2016 21:05:43 GMT
The only dog we didn't crate was the one we didn't get as a puppy. He was two when we got him and he'd spent the better part of his life alone in an outdoor kennel, so that explains why he never took to one. All of our other dogs loved their crates and often would choose to sleep in their "houses" when they wanted to be away from the action.
If we ever get another puppy at some point down the road, I will NOT let it sleep in my bed. I've gotten to the point in my life where it's hard enough to sleep without every little thing waking me up, and I'm not going to go down that road again! However, if DD wanted to let it sleep in her bed (and she probably would), I wouldn't have a problem with that.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 3, 2016 21:28:29 GMT
The only dog we didn't crate was the one we didn't get as a puppy. He was two when we got him and he'd spent the better part of his life alone in an outdoor kennel, so that explains why he never took to one. All of our other dogs loved their crates and often would choose to sleep in their "houses" when they wanted to be away from the action. If we ever get another puppy at some point down the road, I will NOT let it sleep in my bed. I've gotten to the point in my life where it's hard enough to sleep without every little thing waking me up, and I'm not going to go down that road again! However, if DD wanted to let it sleep in her bed (and she probably would), I wouldn't have a problem with that.It's hilarious when I accidentally bump into the GSD when she is in my bed. She lifts her head up, gives me the look, flops her head back down and goes back to sleep. Gee, sorry Princess for disturbing you while you were hogging my bed
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Post by lindas on Jun 3, 2016 21:58:43 GMT
Do you have a cover for the crate? It's like their own personal little cave and they're happy to go in which is were I usually find them during the day.
I had one that wasn't thrilled with the crate at first and would whine. I kept it by the side of the bed at night and let my arm dangle by the side. Once he could smell my hand and stick his tongue out to lick my fingers he settled right down.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 3, 2016 22:08:40 GMT
We just got a new puppy last Friday. She is a 9 week old mix. We have a crate and she has been sleeping in there since we got her...sort of. She will cry and whine and bark forever when we put her in for bed and each time we take her out to the bathroom. I know that your supposed to let her just deal, but she is waking the kids up at all hours of the night because her bark is ear piercing. I am working on getting her used to the crate with short bursts and treats, etc, but it doesn't help the night time issue right now. She doesn't seem to mind the concept of the crate, but once the door is shut all bets are off. Right now she is in our bedroom because I want to be able to hear her when she needs to go out. Are there any ways to get her to not be so noisy at night or do we just have to ride it out? Any tips and tricks would be appreciated. She is a pretty good girl overall, but everyone in this house is exhausted! And because I know the rules: Where is the crate located in your house? We kept Lucy's right next to our bed at night and in the family room during the day (while training/napping) so she would always be close to us. If your pooch is isolated from the family while in the crate, perhaps consider moving her into the same room with you while she's in it so she knows she's not been left alone.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 3, 2016 22:14:52 GMT
Do you have a cover for the crate? It's like their own personal little cave and they're happy to go in which is were I usually find them during the day.I had one that wasn't thrilled with the crate at first and would whine. I kept it by the side of the bed at night and let my arm dangle by the side. Once he could smell my hand and stick his tongue out to lick my fingers he settled right down. I forgot about a cover, we put a black table cloth over ours when he was little. It's still there but we hardly ever put it down any more.
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Post by azredhead on Jun 3, 2016 23:48:39 GMT
One of ours loved his kennel and still does. He goes in there when we leave just out of habit and comfort. Now I only close it when there is fireworks so it keeps him a little calmer. However our female did NOT. The only way she would go in hers was with the door open. We trained her to stay. That worked for a while. That's her house. But if you close the door it was all over. She tried to destroy it and I was afraid she'd hurt herself. So we just did a bed and told her her bed is her house. That seemed to work Her bed is next to his kennell.. We just have Dukes kennel. Now we'll catch Pia in HIS kennel taking a nap during the day. If I can't find her. But the door is open! lol! Both of their beds have always been in our room. But we don't have kids they are our kids! Do you have something in there like a blanket or a mat? Or even a small stuff toy or something. Duke has a soft pet mattress in. I think that's why Pia likes it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 1:13:33 GMT
Try to ride it out! I made the mistake 13 years ago with our miniature Dachshund and gave into the crying. Granted, she wasn't just crying, she eventually became mentally and physically frantic about being in a crate. She would mess in it all the time, and trust me, it wasn't oversized. She was just so freaked out about being in there that she did not care.
We had very successfully crate trained our other dogs prior to her and were shocked at how much this didn't work for her. We only had one other dog (that we got when she was a year old) that acted similarly. That dog hurt herself multiple times trying to get out. She would move the crate across the room throwing herself around in it. So while it works for most dogs, some are just not mentally able to handle it.
Still, I wish it worked for her and us because she's never been 100% house broken as a result. No carpet is safe and we've gotten rid of most of what we had in the house (we had already replaced most of the carpet with hardwood before we got her). We can't even have throw rugs or area rugs because of her.
Keep at and it and good luck!! It's really worth it when it works.
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Post by zookeeper on Jun 4, 2016 2:12:12 GMT
I agree with many of the above posters:
Joey was in his crate the first night that we brought him home at 8 weeks old. His crate was next to the bed so he could see us through the door. We placed a towel over the crate to create a den like atmosphere.
He whined for two nights straight and we completely ignored him other then when we took him to go potty and even then there was no play time or playful voices. Do your business and go back in the crate.
After those first two nights, he has been a dream and he is almost three years old. He sleeps with us occasionally but he really prefers his crate. We did not allow him to sleep in the bed with us until he was older and would not get confused.
He will be in bed with us late at night on the weekends when we are up watching tv and he will get irritated with us and go get in his crate to get some rest. He thinks we are disturbing his beauty sleep!
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Post by Patter on Jun 4, 2016 10:47:22 GMT
You have gotten a lot of great advice. We have crate trained all eight of our dogs over the years. We currently have 3 dogs (9 1/2 year old, 14 month old, and 1 1/2 year old). All always sleep in their crates, and they have since 8 weeks old. We have 5 crates--3 in the bedroom and 2 in the living room. The younger two have two crates because they have their own in the living room and in the bedroom. Their crates in the bedroom have covers over them (except the door). They also have a pillow. Yes, they sleep like humans with their head on their pillows. Cracks me up. Anyway, their crates in the living room are where they eat all meals (fed 3x a day), and if I need a short crating during they day they go in there. They LOVE their crates. One will even walk in before I instruct him when he sees a routine that requires the crate. My command is "in your box." They immediately go and are treated. You could start with feeding in the crate during the day, keeping the door open for him to investigate, treating everytime he goes in (clicker training will work great for this), and making it their safe place. One of my younger ones cried horrifically for a week. We played soft music all night long in our bedroom where their crates are, and he finally felt good. We didn't give in, and each night got better. The youngest one never minded his crate from the beginning. We really believe in crates for our dogs because we have seen such great, great benefits over the years. Also at the daycamp they go to, they have a rest time each day. All dogs go into crates for their rest time. We do the same at home. The behaviorist talks about how good it is for the dogs. Glad to see we were already doing that. Anyway, you have a cutie pie there. Remember, he is a baby that has left his littermates and mama. It will get better with lots of love, praise, and routine. Have fun!
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Post by peasapie on Jun 4, 2016 12:22:28 GMT
I didn't read all the responses, but just wanted to mention that covering the crate with a blanket is the "night night" signal. Our dogs have learned in crate with blanket on means to go to sleep.
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