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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jun 3, 2016 18:18:40 GMT
Boyfriend just gave me a wake up call saying the reason he gets paid in salary is because they know he will be working an atrocious amount of hours that he would make too much for their comfort if paid by the hour. I'm not sure if this is true with all salary workers but his situation makes me shake my head.
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Post by kellybelly77 on Jun 3, 2016 18:26:19 GMT
It's not just the amount of hours they will be working. The FLSA has a duties component to it as well that limits who can be salaried or not based on their actual job duties. Typically, people who manage others, perform high level functions within a company and people who have a say on the job status of others in the company. There is also an annual salary component as well. Which is currently quite low but is set to raise here at the end of the year.
I am salaried and times of the year I do work an insane amount of hours! Specifically open enrollment. I have to be accessible by email all the time. Even when I take a day off I still check in and such to answer emails. But other times of the year its not so busy and I don't work a ton. Plus, I only have to be at work 4 hours a day to be paid for the full day. So that is handy when there are appointments and such. I think it all balances out.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jun 3, 2016 18:29:33 GMT
That is the difference between exempt (usually salary) and non-exempt (usually hourly) workers. Exempt employees are normally paid a set amount and expected to get the job done. That may take 40 hours one week and 60 the next. They are also typically expected to make independent decisions.
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2016 18:34:04 GMT
I'm salary. I used to be salary plus overtime, but that changed in the mid-2000s. Nothing about my job changed, but the law changed so I didn't have to get paid overtime anymore. My required hours have only increased since. I'm lucky that DH's job will allow for you to put in for OT or comp time when it gets crazy, my job - not so much.
We used to joke about "free week" as the last week of the month since we had already worked enough to be working for free that week. it sucks. I don't manage anyone, or have any special designation, just an Engineer.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jun 3, 2016 18:40:11 GMT
Oh yeah. I could have retired by now on the OT I work if I was an hourly person.
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Post by perumbula on Jun 3, 2016 18:40:31 GMT
My husband doesn't manage anyone but he's salaried. he works 11 hour days. Always. Every day. He's scheduled patients from 8am to 6pm and he doesn't always get a lunch break. after 6 he has to get the paperwork done. It's crazy. He is finally ready to ask for a raise.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 3, 2016 18:42:09 GMT
I know that's why everyone at my boyfriend's company is salaried... they travel for work and do security system installations at customer sites, and they would have to pay horrendous OT if the technicians were hourly. (they're cheap at his company)
(and none of them manage anyone else, either... they do have to make independent decisions but only a couple people are supervisors.)
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 3, 2016 18:49:01 GMT
My DH makes a great salary AND gets paid OT and shift differential. He also used to get an uplift for our location but the gov't quit authorizing that. He works for a gov't contractor. My position is historically salaried, but my boss prefers to keep me hourly. I appreciate getting paid for all the hours I work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 18:51:09 GMT
It's illegal to classify someone as salaried just to avoid paying overtime if the job itself does not qualify as an exempt position. There are federal laws governing what kinds of roles can legitimately be exempt.
ETA: Beginning in December anyone making less than $47,476/year cannot be classified as exempt. Currently, the minimum threshold is only $23,660. (There are multiple other qualifications for a position to be exempt.)
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 3, 2016 18:53:00 GMT
I'm salaried and bank OT. Twice a year, I can choose to take the time off or to get paid out.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 3, 2016 18:53:35 GMT
...oh, I'm sure my BF's bosses have looked at all that and have a justification for it in their heads. still sucks, though.
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Post by smartypants71 on Jun 3, 2016 18:56:30 GMT
I'm salaried and do not work an insane amount of hours. I work a typical ~40 hour week and I don't get scrutinized for taking off here and there for doctor appointments and such. I just don't think it's nefarious intent to make someone a salaried employee.
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Post by blue tulip on Jun 3, 2016 18:57:51 GMT
that's definitely true in certain jobs in our factory. it's common to have the bosses of certain manufacturing lines making a fraction of what their workers do, when they are working the same overtime hours plus all their other white collar duties.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 19:03:59 GMT
Thanks to sequestration my husband only gets comp time for over time. It is not vacation time, and he can only use 10 hours a week. He will be 200 years old before he uses it up.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jun 3, 2016 19:04:31 GMT
I think if you meet the definition of exempt you have to also look at what the pay you. DH is salaried but works more than 40 hours. But if he worked 40 hours only, he would get paid less.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 3, 2016 19:08:16 GMT
Schools could not afford teachers if they were not salaried!
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2016 19:12:20 GMT
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 3, 2016 19:28:23 GMT
I'm salary. I used to be salary plus overtime, but that changed in the mid-2000s. Nothing about my job changed, but the law changed so I didn't have to get paid overtime anymore. My required hours have only increased since. I'm lucky that DH's job will allow for you to put in for OT or comp time when it gets crazy, my job - not so much. We used to joke about "free week" as the last week of the month since we had already worked enough to be working for free that week. it sucks. I don't manage anyone, or have any special designation, just an Engineer. Yes, this is me, too. We work more hours, but never get comp time or extra pay.
There is a corporate culture and expectation of working 50 hours plus per week. I quit doing it awhile back. I'm close to retirement and just don't care any longer. I feel like the company that acquired us 6 years ago beat any caring out of me.
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2016 19:37:02 GMT
I'm salary. I used to be salary plus overtime, but that changed in the mid-2000s. Nothing about my job changed, but the law changed so I didn't have to get paid overtime anymore. My required hours have only increased since. I'm lucky that DH's job will allow for you to put in for OT or comp time when it gets crazy, my job - not so much. We used to joke about "free week" as the last week of the month since we had already worked enough to be working for free that week. it sucks. I don't manage anyone, or have any special designation, just an Engineer. Yes, this is me, too. We work more hours, but never get comp time or extra pay.
There is a corporate culture and expectation of working 50 hours plus per week. I quit doing it awhile back. I'm close to retirement and just don't care any longer. I feel like the company that acquired us 6 years ago beat any caring out of me.
I can't wait to be at that point! LOL
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 3, 2016 19:48:03 GMT
I am salaried and make a lot more than I did when I was hourly + OT.
Full time is a 7 hour day. Most days that's what I work. We have some crazy busy times of the year where I exceed that by quite a bit and random days where a particular project keeps me working longer. But, I also don't get flack if I work a six hour day or need to take off an hour here or there. It all balances out.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 3, 2016 19:51:42 GMT
I am salaried and make a lot more than I did when I was hourly + OT. Full time is a 7 hour day. Most days that's what I work. We have some crazy busy times of the year where I exceed that by quite a bit and random days where a particular project keeps me working longer. But, I also don't get flack if I work a six hour day or need to take off an hour here or there. It all balances out. ^^^ unfortunately not all managers are like that-- some more old-school ones expect 'a body in a chair at a desk' 8+ hours a week, or they think 'you must not be working' if you're not AT the office, AT your desk.
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Post by seikashaven on Jun 3, 2016 19:55:25 GMT
I'm salaried and work over 40 a week without OT. I'm also expected to make up any missed time for appointments etc.
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Post by SabrinaM on Jun 3, 2016 20:02:40 GMT
My husband has always been salaried and that's always been the case- 55+ hr weeks. He only recently took on a management position.
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Post by scrapperal on Jun 3, 2016 20:08:10 GMT
The other issue with being salaried is if you have to do a lot a travel for work. I didn't mind traveling for work, but I did mind having to travel on weekends and not being able to take a comp day off during the week to make up for it, ever.
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 3, 2016 20:40:09 GMT
Boyfriend just gave me a wake up call saying the reason he gets paid in salary is because they know he will be working an atrocious amount of hours that he would make too much for their comfort if paid by the hour. I'm not sure if this is true with all salary workers but his situation makes me shake my head. Yep. If teachers were paid by the hour, every single school district would be completely broke. I work WAY more than 40 hours a week. Heck, my day (7:45-2:20, take out 60 min for recess/lunch) just over 6 hours, times 5 is 30 hours. Kick in the before and after school stuff we do- 5 hours a week, you get 35. Add in grading papers, helping kids out with whatever, calling parents, emailing parents, etc... you're well over 40 hours.
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 3, 2016 20:41:10 GMT
It's always been that way so you shouldn't be surprised.
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Post by cade387 on Jun 3, 2016 20:41:57 GMT
The other issue with being salaried is if you have to do a lot a travel for work. I didn't mind traveling for work, but I did mind having to travel on weekends and not being able to take a comp day off during the week to make up for it, ever. this is me as well. I usually have to travel to Europe on Saturday nights so that I can be at the office on Monday morning. I also have to take the red eye back on Friday nights when I go to the west coast because I have to work a full day on Friday but they won't cover a hotel for Friday night.
I have also worked the last 3 years over 4th of July in Europe when it (obviously) not a holiday there. I am then given one day to make up the holiday I am missing but it doesn't account for the family time I'm giving up. It is frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 20:53:47 GMT
One thing to realize though is that ANY employee can be classified as NONexempt and be paid hourly plus Overtime. That is totally legal. No matter what the hourly rate or # of hours per week.
So when you say you lost your ability to be salary plus OT, what happened was that the exemption definitions were broadened and your employer decided to classify you as exempt. No law forced them to do so. They did take advantage of the broadening of the definition of exempt. But at the same time the minimum weekly wage for exempts went up a lot (Not sure how it ever got left at $155 per week before than when that was less than minimum wage) so a different group of employees benefited at that point. If you don't make the new minimum, then you will benefit by the employers being forced to move you back to nonexempt due to the wage basis.
I know some employer's pay at the bottom level of the wage basis (current $455 a week that goes up on December 1st) but I have to agree with keithurbanlovingpea(?) that many salaried people already made more than the current $455 a week. When we are looking at what to do with the 1 employee who falls less than the December 1st weekly amount, we aren't going to figure her rate at 40 hours per week. And honestly she gets a lot of paid timeoff here and there in small increments that she doesn't currently have to justify but after December 1st she won't get paid for since we now have to pay her hourly. Can't afford to give her a 6% pay increase.
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Post by iowgirl on Jun 3, 2016 21:14:27 GMT
I don't manage anyone, or have any special designation, just an Engineer. My daughter is an Engineer also and works 50 hours a week. Her salary reflects it though. She is coming from a farm/ranch background, where 50 hours a week is SLOW! LOL She said how great life is when you actually have the weekend off. Right now - DH works at least 10-12 hours a day and it isn't super busy. During planting time, He would start chores at 6:30 am and plant until 3 am. He couldn't do this for a lot of days, but if weather was threatening - he would put several days in at that pace. They would quit no earlier than 10 pm during planting. During harvest we run from 6 am until about 9 or 10 pm. Seven days a week. When it is "normal", he works until about 7 or 8 at night. Winter time is a little easier. He is usually home by 6 in the winter. DH always works most of the day on Saturday, but does take a few hours off on Sunday. Still have to do chores twice a day every day 365 days a year though. So when someone complains about overtime - sometimes I laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 21:25:32 GMT
But the positive is that his paycheck is consistent and his hours can't be cut.
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