Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 8, 2016 3:02:53 GMT
The Democratic party has super delegates precisely to keep someone like Donald Trump from getting our nomination. I'm good with that.
The system is the system. Hillary didn't know how to work it well in 2008 and Obama beat her because he hired people who knew it inside and out. She figured it out this time, better than Bernie, which is no surprise since he spent the bulk of his career eschewing the very relationships which are necessary to win the nomination of the party he finally decided to join.
I voted for Bernie. I agree with the majority of what he has to say. I am losing patience with people who have just started paying attention to the process NOW, complaining that it's unfair, when the process itself has not fundamentally changed. It's like an uninvited party guest shows up to the party, is welcomed in, and immediately starts complaining about the food, the music choices and the guest list.
The complaint that super delegates haven't voted yet so their votes shouldn't count sounds great right up until you realize that pledged delegates haven't voted yet either.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jun 8, 2016 7:08:57 GMT
Wow, Sanders just got thrown under the bus by someone in his campaign. Yikes. www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041Convinced as Sanders is that he’s realizing his lifelong dream of being the catalyst for remaking American politics—aides say he takes credit for a Harvard Kennedy School study in April showing young people getting more liberal, and he takes personal offense every time Clinton just dismisses the possibility of picking him as her running mate—his guiding principle under attack has basically boiled down to a feeling that multiple aides sum up as: “Screw me? No, screw you.” Take the combative statement after the Nevada showdown. “I don’t know who advised him that this was the right route to take, but we are now actively destroying what Bernie worked so hard to build over the last year just to pick up two fucking delegates in a state he lost,” rapid response director Mike Casca complained to Weaver in an internal campaign email obtained by POLITICO. “Thank you for your views. I’ll relay them to the senator, as he is driving this train,” Weaver wrote back. Ezra Klein's take on the story: Over at Politico, Edward-Isaac Dovere and Gabriel Debenedetti have a dishy look inside the last days of the Bernie Sanders campaign. You should read it in full (seriously, go do that right now). The main takeaway is that Sanders's aides know they've lost; the candidate doesn't. The secondary takeaway: the aides are throwing the candidate under the bus. Here, for instance, is the first paragraph: There’s no strategist pulling the strings, and no collection of burn-it-all-down aides egging him on. At the heart of the rage against Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, the campaign aides closest to him say, is Bernie Sanders. Oof. You know things aren't going well when campaign staffers are trying to minimize perceptions of their influence with the candidate. This leaked email exchange about Sanders's combative response after the Nevada Democratic Convention is particularly brutal: "I don’t know who advised him that this was the right route to take, but we are now actively destroying what Bernie worked so hard to build over the last year just to pick up two fucking delegates in a state he lost," rapid response director Mike Casca complained to Weaver in an internal campaign email obtained by POLITICO. "Thank you for your views. I’ll relay them to the senator, as he is driving this train," Weaver wrote back. Someone handed those emails over to reporters, and the reason they handed them over to reporters was to show that the Nevada statement wasn't the fault of campaign manager Jeff Weaver nor rapid response director Mike Casca. The characterizations of Sanders's state of mind aren't particularly flattering either. Aides portray him as angry, hurt, and actively deluding himself about both the reasons he's losing and the possibility he may still win: Sanders is himself filled with resentment, on edge, feeling like he gets no respect -- all while holding on in his head to the enticing but remote chance that Clinton may be indicted before the convention.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 8, 2016 10:02:14 GMT
I didn't really want to read this thread, but Hillary Clinton forced me.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 8, 2016 17:23:14 GMT
We have Michigan trying to poison their poor citizens with their drinking water. Oh please. How about Democrat Andrew Cuomo, is he "trying to poison" his citizens in New York as well? How about Democrat Tom Wolf, the governor of Pennsylvania? Also trying to poison his citizens? Tainted drinking water is a terrible problem in this country that is apolitical. But now that Flint has brought it to the forefront how about the administration spearheading an effort to change it? No, he's more concerned about where people pee than clean water. www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/17/drinking-water-lead-schools-day-cares/81220916/I would also like to point out it was a Republican governor that left CA in a fiscal mess And I would like to point out that the Republican governor inherited a fiscal mess from a Democrat. You have some valid points. But definitely not these. I don't know what you are talking about with Kansas, some links might be helpful. I know Louisiana is in bad shape because Jindal was loathe to raise taxes when he should have.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 8, 2016 17:24:47 GMT
The Democratic party has super delegates precisely to keep someone like Donald Trump from getting our nomination. I'm good with that. The system is the system. Hillary didn't know how to work it well in 2008 and Obama beat her because he hired people who knew it inside and out. She figured it out this time, better than Bernie, which is no surprise since he spent the bulk of his career eschewing the very relationships which are necessary to win the nomination of the party he finally decided to join. I voted for Bernie. I agree with the majority of what he has to say. I am losing patience with people who have just started paying attention to the process NOW, complaining that it's unfair, when the process itself has not fundamentally changed. It's like an uninvited party guest shows up to the party, is welcomed in, and immediately starts complaining about the food, the music choices and the guest list. The complaint that super delegates haven't voted yet so their votes shouldn't count sounds great right up until you realize that pledged delegates haven't voted yet either. I just can't love this post enough. Thank you.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 8, 2016 17:27:54 GMT
I would also like to point out it was a Republican governor that left CA in a fiscal mess And I would like to point out that the Republican governor inherited a fiscal mess from a Democrat. You have some valid points. But definitely not these. I don't know what you are talking about with Kansas, some links might be helpful. I know Louisiana is in bad shape because Jindal was loathe to raise taxes when he should have.Kansas is a complete mess due to Gov. Sam Brownback and an ultra-conservative legislature. My stepsister lives there so I hear all about it. I think you can find a lot of information about it online. We've certainly had threads about it in the past. kellybelly ? Any input on this?
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MizIndependent
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Jun 25, 2014 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 8, 2016 17:57:00 GMT
The Democratic party has super delegates precisely to keep someone like Donald Trump from getting our nomination. I'm good with that. The system is the system. Hillary didn't know how to work it well in 2008 and Obama beat her because he hired people who knew it inside and out. She figured it out this time, better than Bernie, which is no surprise since he spent the bulk of his career eschewing the very relationships which are necessary to win the nomination of the party he finally decided to join. Fair point. I voted for Bernie. I agree with the majority of what he has to say. I am losing patience with people who have just started paying attention to the process NOW, complaining that it's unfair, when the process itself has not fundamentally changed. It's like an uninvited party guest shows up to the party, is welcomed in, and immediately starts complaining about the food, the music choices and the guest list. You go ahead and lose your patience, but as you do, realize that without the fire that Bernie stoked, people wouldn't have started to pay attention in the first place. He's shinning a spotlight on a process that isn't fair no matter that it hasn't fundamentally changed. There is a reason states are taking a second look at the super delegates and are starting to actively vote them out or tie them to their state's popular preference (Maine, Wisconsin and Hawaii for starters). The complaint that super delegates haven't voted yet so their votes shouldn't count sounds great right up until you realize that pledged delegates haven't voted yet either. The big factor though is the weight the supers have with their vote. Hillary had 450 supers tucked into her pocket 8 months before the first debate and LONG before anyone (least of all those supers) knew who would be running for 2016. The weight those 450 carried into Hillary's race has given her a seriously unfair advantage - it wasn't a nomination process, it was an anointing ceremony that smacks of entitlement. Don't forget, Sanders voters make up 45% of the Democratic party - that is of no small significance. In saying that, I do realize Hillary has more pledged votes than Bernie. I can't help but believe that if the media had reported the numbers correctly, as Wasserman of the DNC had instructed them to last February, the bias of the supers would not have had as big of an effect as it seems to have had. "Wow - Hillary is WAY ahead of Bernie, 1887 to 1191!!! Why bother since she's gonna win it anyway."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 18:55:29 GMT
Based on everything I've seen within the past 24 hours, I'm confused as to whether Hillary plans to run on the issues or the fact that she has a vagina.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 8, 2016 19:19:07 GMT
Based on everything I've seen within the past 24 hours, I'm confused as to whether Hillary plans to run on the issues or the fact that she has a vagina. Both, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 19:32:02 GMT
We have Michigan trying to poison their poor citizens with their drinking water. Oh please. How about Democrat Andrew Cuomo, is he "trying to poison" his citizens in New York as well? How about Democrat Tom Wolf, the governor of Pennsylvania? Also trying to poison his citizens? Tainted drinking water is a terrible problem in this country that is apolitical. But now that Flint has brought it to the forefront how about the administration spearheading an effort to change it? No, he's more concerned about where people pee than clean water. www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/03/17/drinking-water-lead-schools-day-cares/81220916/I would also like to point out it was a Republican governor that left CA in a fiscal mess And I would like to point out that the Republican governor inherited a fiscal mess from a Democrat. You have some valid points. But definitely not these. As to Flint the choice to change the source of water was a deliberate decision made to cut costs without doing their due diligence about the safety of the water. When you talk about the deficit inherited by a CA Republican Governor from a Democrat I'm assuming you mean Gray Davis. Well there were a lot of reasons why he was recalled about year after his reelection. My thinking was because he was trying to deal with the deficit. And had to do with the registration fees for cars. When the economy was good and the deficit was down, I think Davis, cut the auto registration fees with the understanding that if the economy tanked the fees would go back up. Well the economy tanked, auto registration fees went back up, Davis was recalled, and I swear on a whim Ca elected the "Terminator" Schwarzenegger as governor during the .com recession. So to say Davis left a deficit, one has to wonder what would have happened if Davis had been able to completed his term. The Terminator did complete his term and he did leave a deficit.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 8, 2016 20:56:11 GMT
And I would like to point out that the Republican governor inherited a fiscal mess from a Democrat. You have some valid points. But definitely not these. I don't know what you are talking about with Kansas, some links might be helpful. I know Louisiana is in bad shape because Jindal was loathe to raise taxes when he should have.Kansas is a complete mess due to Gov. Sam Brownback and an ultra-conservative legislature. My stepsister lives there so I hear all about it. I think you can find a lot of information about it online. We've certainly had threads about it in the past. kellybelly ? Any input on this? Lacking any hint, I Googled "why do liberals hate kansas governor" and the first thing that popped up was a WSJ article from 2014. Seems the evil guy had the temerity to cut taxes, and the article says "Contrary to liberal folklore, Mr. Brownback hasn't taken a meat-cleaver to schools. Total per-pupil spending has increased to $12,885 from $12,283 over four years. State education spending has risen by about 2% annually since 2010 and is set to jump 4% this year—which doesn't include a 10% bump for teacher pensions.
It's also untrue that tax cuts have hurt the poor. The tax rate on individuals earning less than $15,000 has fallen by nearly a quarter while the standard deduction has increased to $5,500 from $4,500. Although Republicans extended a temporary sales tax hike that Democratic Governor Mark Parkinson signed in 2010, they also reinstated a food sales tax rebate that will offset most of the cost for the poor. Kansans earning the minimum wage will net about $100 under the tax reforms.
Low-income workers may also benefit from small business growth in industries like construction, hospitality and food service. Since the tax cuts took effect, the gap in job creation between Kansas and neighboring states has shrunk. "
I'm sure someone will educate me, though, with an update since the article was written.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 8, 2016 21:02:36 GMT
Labeling it as though MSNBC had announced it was deliberately trying to tilt the vote toward Hillary (which honestly, they could give a shit about) is completely misleading. Oh my goodness, please provide some type of evidence that MSNBC doesn't care about the outcome.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 8, 2016 21:22:27 GMT
Kansas is a complete mess due to Gov. Sam Brownback and an ultra-conservative legislature. My stepsister lives there so I hear all about it. I think you can find a lot of information about it online. We've certainly had threads about it in the past. kellybelly ? Any input on this? Lacking any hint, I Googled "why do liberals hate kansas governor" and the first thing that popped up was a WSJ article from 2014. Seems the evil guy had the temerity to cut taxes, and the article says "Contrary to liberal folklore, Mr. Brownback hasn't taken a meat-cleaver to schools. Total per-pupil spending has increased to $12,885 from $12,283 over four years. State education spending has risen by about 2% annually since 2010 and is set to jump 4% this year—which doesn't include a 10% bump for teacher pensions.
It's also untrue that tax cuts have hurt the poor. The tax rate on individuals earning less than $15,000 has fallen by nearly a quarter while the standard deduction has increased to $5,500 from $4,500. Although Republicans extended a temporary sales tax hike that Democratic Governor Mark Parkinson signed in 2010, they also reinstated a food sales tax rebate that will offset most of the cost for the poor. Kansans earning the minimum wage will net about $100 under the tax reforms.
Low-income workers may also benefit from small business growth in industries like construction, hospitality and food service. Since the tax cuts took effect, the gap in job creation between Kansas and neighboring states has shrunk. "
I'm sure someone will educate me, though, with an update since the article was written.
Sam Brownback's Kansas Budget Disaster - Esquire
The Gang That Helped Gov. Sam Brownback Wreck Kansas - Kansas City Star
Sam Brownback Gutted Kansas - salon.comThe Brownback Backlash (approval rating 18% in a VERY Republican state) - The Atlantic
Shall I go on?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:28:23 GMT
Lacking any hint, I Googled "why do liberals hate kansas governor" and the first thing that popped up was a WSJ article from 2014. Seems the evil guy had the temerity to cut taxes, and the article says "Contrary to liberal folklore, Mr. Brownback hasn't taken a meat-cleaver to schools. Total per-pupil spending has increased to $12,885 from $12,283 over four years. State education spending has risen by about 2% annually since 2010 and is set to jump 4% this year—which doesn't include a 10% bump for teacher pensions.
It's also untrue that tax cuts have hurt the poor. The tax rate on individuals earning less than $15,000 has fallen by nearly a quarter while the standard deduction has increased to $5,500 from $4,500. Although Republicans extended a temporary sales tax hike that Democratic Governor Mark Parkinson signed in 2010, they also reinstated a food sales tax rebate that will offset most of the cost for the poor. Kansans earning the minimum wage will net about $100 under the tax reforms.
Low-income workers may also benefit from small business growth in industries like construction, hospitality and food service. Since the tax cuts took effect, the gap in job creation between Kansas and neighboring states has shrunk. "
I'm sure someone will educate me, though, with an update since the article was written.
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Did you really Google " why liberals hate Kansas governor" ? For heaven sakes. The link above is how his fellow Republicans, with quotes, feel about Brownback's experiment to "cut taxes to bring more businesses to Kansas and create jobs". Not too happy. It's a CBS news story. I think this one paragraph says it all: "But Scott Drekard, an economist for the conservative Tax Foundation, told legislators last month that farmers and business owners appeared to pocket the extra money from the State's recent tax cuts rather than use it for expansion --- "tax avoidance, not job creation".
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Post by lucyg on Jun 8, 2016 21:31:41 GMT
Labeling it as though MSNBC had announced it was deliberately trying to tilt the vote toward Hillary (which honestly, they could give a shit about) is completely misleading. Oh my goodness, please provide some type of evidence that MSNBC doesn't care about the outcome. MSNBC doesn't care about the outcome between Hillary and Bernie, which is what we're talking about. They care about ratings and sensationalism and advertisers, just like every media outlet. Their slant may be liberal and I'm sure many individuals who work there support Democratic candidates ... but from a corporate POV, all they care about is making money, not interfering in which Democrat wins the nomination. And truthfully, they probably don't care who wins in November, either. If Trump wins, I'm sure that will improve their numbers more than if Hillary wins.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 9, 2016 21:39:08 GMT
Did you really Google " why liberals hate Kansas governor" ? For heaven sakes. Yes, like I said I had nothing to go on. Okay, your link was the most helpful. Lucy, the first 3 links you provided only provided complaints, but no info on just what they were complaining about. Between your last link and Krazy's link, I think I have it. He didn't have a complete plan, so his budget cuts didn't get Kansas where he promised it would go. Okay. Too bad the Dems in Washington DC aren't so budget minded.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 22:14:13 GMT
Did you really Google " why liberals hate Kansas governor" ? For heaven sakes. Yes, like I said I had nothing to go on. Okay, your link was the most helpful. Lucy, the first 3 links you provided only provided complaints, but no info on just what they were complaining about. Between your last link and Krazy's link, I think I have it. He didn't have a complete plan, so his budget cuts didn't get Kansas where he promised it would go. Okay. Too bad the Dems in Washington DC aren't so budget minded. Oh he had a plan it just didn't work. And he is not one that's paying the price of his failure. Just like Snyder of Michigan isn't paying the price for his decisions.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jun 9, 2016 22:48:38 GMT
Oh he had a plan it just didn't work. And he is not one that's paying the price of his failure. Just like Snyder of Michigan isn't paying the price for his decisions. I wouldn't get too partisan if I were you. Unless you want to take a close look at the financial and other messes that some of the Democratically-controlled states are in. There is plenty of blame to go around and it can be laid on both sides of the aisle.
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