MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 15:54:33 GMT
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Post by Merge on Jun 7, 2016 16:05:14 GMT
Wow. That last article/quote really takes the wind out of everyone's sails.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 16:17:28 GMT
Yep, Glen Greenwald...gotta love his magnificent way with words. Said it far better than I ever could.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 16:38:30 GMT
It's unfortunate and her campaign wasn't too happy about it either.
I would have preferred them to wait until tonight when she will clinch it.
Obama in 2008 was able to be considered the presumptive nominee WITH super delegate on June 7th, 2008 after Hillary had beat him in CA and the democratic convention wasn't until August that year, so I don't understand all the teeth gnashing because this is certainly not precedence.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 7, 2016 16:40:54 GMT
It doesn't bother me the press has already called her the nominee. It's been evident for weeks Bernie wasn't going to win.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2016 16:48:17 GMT
Glen Greenwald. phhht!!
I VOTED!! and that place was hopping at 8:45 this morning. Old people and young people both.
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Post by amom23 on Jun 7, 2016 16:51:49 GMT
Of course Hillary won the nomination. It was never a matter of if, but when.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 7, 2016 16:52:51 GMT
Huh. I haven't even had a chance to go vote yet. I'm at work before the polls open.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 17:01:03 GMT
Huh. I haven't even had a chance to go vote yet. I'm at work before the polls open. Please, do not let the arbitrary dumbassery of the media dissuade you from casting your vote. PLEASE VOTE! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 17:26:39 GMT
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It was a foregone conclusion that Hillary is getting the nomination. Because regardless of today's outcome she will still have the most pledged delegates and a large lead in the popular vote. As of today she leads Bernie by 3.2m votes. In spite of Bernie going on about how he has momentum her lead in the popular vote is growing. In other words, regardless of what the superdelegates do or don't do the majority of Democrats have chosen Hillary to be the Democratic nominee. Bernie is trying to make the case that he knows better than the majority of Democrats that have voted in that only he can beat Trump. He may have been able to make the case if, during this primary season, he had been subject to the same attacks as Hillary has been. But the fact is he has been pretty much ignored by both Hillary and the Republicans. And considering who the Superdelegates are they know this matters and they aren't impressed with Bernie's argument. Rightly so. In the thread I started about items the Republicans could use to attack Sanders with the author suggested a label of "sexual weirdo" could be used because of some of his writings he did about sex. I read part of one and an open minded person might shrug or agree with him but there are an awful lot who would not and agree he was a "sexual weirdo". That was just one label the Republicans would use if Sanders became the nominee. The others would be just as problematic. There are several that could suggest that Sanders doesn't like the US. Put that up against a crowd that's buying into Trump's " Making America Great Again" and see how well that does. Nor does it help Sander's case when his campaigns make accusations like this tweet that popped up in my timeline after yesterday's announcement "@berniesanders camp blasts media for "suppressing voter turnout". How exactly has the media suppressed voter turnout? There are down ticket races and local propositions that are just important as selecting a presidential candidate. Especially in CA where are choosing our US Senator's replacement. So if they felt it was ONLY important to vote for "their guy" then maybe they should stay home. There is a reason Democrats have Superdelegates and considering what is going on with the Republicans I'm thinking they wished they had them this year as well. The attached article provides the history of why the Democrats have Superdelegates. The current rules regarding primaries have been around for the last several elections. I agree after this cycle the rules should be reviewed and changes made. One I would like to see is all primaries be closed. After all it is the Democrats picking their nominee not Democrats and whoever. If Independents want a say in the selecting in presidential candidates then work to come up with a viable party of their own. Folks talk about how they want a third party then they should work toward that goal instead of trying to hijack a party like Sanders is on the left and the Tea Party is on the right. Since I'm on a roll this morning.  I will make one more observation. I believe the reason Sanders is sticking around is because he believes or hopes Hillary will be hauled off in handcuffs and by default he will get the nominee. Yes it's possible Hillary will be hauled off but I suspect if that happens the Party Leaders will draft Biden because it's long been felt the same Democrats who voted for Hillary would also vote for Biden and therefore making him the best candidate to go against Trump. Remember the majority of Democrats have said they don't want Sanders to be the nominee and I don't believe that will change if Sanders is left by default and Biden can be drafted and agrees to run. The support for Biden is there.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 7, 2016 17:33:20 GMT
Huh. I haven't even had a chance to go vote yet. I'm at work before the polls open. Please, do not let the arbitrary dumbassery of the media dissuade you from casting your vote. PLEASE VOTE! Of course I'm going to vote. I was trying to vaguely point out how ridiculous the media was since the day isn't even over yet. |
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Post by papersilly on Jun 7, 2016 17:34:01 GMT
has someone told Bernie? today is the Primary here in California and with that, I hope this matter is settled so we can move on to the general election.
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Post by Nink on Jun 7, 2016 17:44:40 GMT
I hate that they make announcements like this already. California and I think others, vote today. This may keep people from getting out there and voting because they may think "what's the point?"
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 17:55:26 GMT
It was a foregone conclusion that Hillary is getting the nomination. I'm certain the 450 Superdelegates she had in her pocket 8 months prior to the first debate (without even knowing who else would be running, btw) AND the relentless incorrect reporting of the delegate numbers had nothing to do with this "foregone conclusion". Bernie said it best, "It's strange and undemocratic that 450 superdelegates backed Clinton even before we got into the race. That’s not democracy. That’s the establishment defending its own interests." CNN - Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocraticWhat does it matter? It's her turn, right? |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 7, 2016 18:00:33 GMT
This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary. The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identity the media organization – incredibly – conceals. The decisive edifice of super-delegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that their nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward and undemocratic sputter. All reasons why I won't be voting D for president. Disgusting for this to come out before Californians go to vote and a completely typical Clinton move. |
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Post by amom23 on Jun 7, 2016 18:00:57 GMT
It was a foregone conclusion that Hillary is getting the nomination. I'm certain the 450 Superdelegates she had in her pocket 8 months prior to the first debate (without even knowing who else would be running, btw) AND the relentless incorrect reporting of the delegate numbers had nothing to do with this "foregone conclusion". Bernie said it best, "It's strange and undemocratic that 450 superdelegates backed Clinton even before we got into the race. That’s not democracy. That’s the establishment defending its own interests." CNN - Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocraticWhat does it matter? It's her turn, right? No doubt Bernie would be singing a different tune if he was the presumptive nominee right now. Maybe he shouldn't be so critical of the Democratic Party when he only just recently decided to become one.  |
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 7, 2016 18:02:47 GMT
I hate that they make announcements like this already. California and I think others, vote today. This may keep people from getting out there and voting because they may think "what's the point?" There's usually no use in voting towards the end of the primaries when delegate votes have already been secured and many running have dropped out. I'd personally love for it to all happen within a week so the process isn't so drawn out. It would be nice for other states to matter and stop placing so much emphasis on Iowa and New Hampshire. Mathematically, there's no way for Bernie to win if he gets every state that is left. FTR, I think super delegates are stupid. I'd love it if he decided to run as Independent.  |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 7, 2016 18:03:22 GMT
It's unfortunate and her campaign wasn't too happy about it either. Oh, that very thought sets off my BS meter so loudly, I'm surprised you aren't hearing it wherever you are. I'm so sure Hillary wanted Bernie to have an honest chance to beat her yet again. |
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Post by amom23 on Jun 7, 2016 18:03:33 GMT
This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary. The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identity the media organization – incredibly – conceals. The decisive edifice of super-delegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that their nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward and undemocratic sputter. All reasons why I won't be voting D for president. Disgusting for this to come out before Californians go to vote and a completely typical Clinton move. And why is this any different than Donald Trump being named his party nominee before the primary season has officially ended? Seriously why have your undies in a wad when you were never going to vote for a Democrat in the first place?  |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 18:04:21 GMT
I'm certain the 450 Superdelegates she had in her pocket 8 months prior to the first debate (without even knowing who else would be running, btw) AND the relentless incorrect reporting of the delegate numbers had nothing to do with this "foregone conclusion". Bernie said it best, "It's strange and undemocratic that 450 superdelegates backed Clinton even before we got into the race. That’s not democracy. That’s the establishment defending its own interests." CNN - Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocraticWhat does it matter? It's her turn, right? No doubt Bernie would be singing a different tune if he was the presumptive nominee right now. Maybe he shouldn't be so critical of the Democratic Party when he only just recently decided to become one. I wouldn't presume to speak for Sanders, but given the way he's run his entire campaign, I seriously doubt that. |
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 7, 2016 18:09:36 GMT
Seriously why have your undies in a wad when you were never going to vote for a Democrat in the first place? Bernie Sanders is running on the Democratic ticket and has been registered as one since 2015.  She would have voted for a Democrat. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 18:11:15 GMT
All reasons why I won't be voting D for president. Disgusting for this to come out before Californians go to vote and a completely typical Clinton move. And why is this any different than Donald Trump being named his party nominee before the primary season has officially ended? Seriously why have your undies in a wad when you were never going to vote for a Democrat in the first place? Why is it different? Because Trump made his magic number by ACTUAL votes, not these phantom Superdelegate votes that won't even be cast until the end of July. The actual pledged delegate count is: 1812 Clinton 1521 Sanders 2,382 is needed to "clinch the nomination" Hillary has NOT officially met the magic number of delegates required - she has to rely on the Superdelegates to make that number and 450 of those committed to her long before they even knew who all would be running in 2016. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 7, 2016 18:11:16 GMT
There is a reason Democrats have Superdelegates and considering what is going on with the Republicans I'm thinking they wished they had them this year as well. The way the Republicans who have been elected have behaved as Democrats, I could see how you might think this.... but the proof that belies this is that Republicans are so disgusted with this corruption that they have voted Trump as their nominee. The Democrats may have just pushed this obscenity past the point of no return and Democrats will be wishing that they had more of the say that Republicans have. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 7, 2016 18:15:35 GMT
All reasons why I won't be voting D for president. Disgusting for this to come out before Californians go to vote and a completely typical Clinton move. And why is this any different than Donald Trump being named his party nominee before the primary season has officially ended? Seriously why have your undies in a wad when you were never going to vote for a Democrat in the first place? Trump actually won primaries and caucuses. He was named the nominee in no small reason because he was the last man standing. You can not say the same for Hillary. She lost and lost and lost and lost and lost... ETA - And I actually have voted for a Democrat for President. I could again if there ever was a nominee I agreed with. |
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Post by peano on Jun 7, 2016 18:26:53 GMT
This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary. The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identity the media organization – incredibly – conceals. The decisive edifice of super-delegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that their nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward and undemocratic sputter. All reasons why I won't be voting D for president. Disgusting for this to come out before Californians go to vote and a completely typical Clinton move. How is it that you blame Clinton singlehandedly for this when it's totally Democratic Party cluster$uckery? I swear to God, she is a politician and plays the political game, but she is blamed for $hit constantly that she has nothing to do with; it's like people have anointed her as the antichrist. Let's see: it just clouded over here in my backyard. It's all that damn Hillary Clinton's fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 18:34:19 GMT
It was a foregone conclusion that Hillary is getting the nomination. I'm certain the 450 Superdelegates she had in her pocket 8 months prior to the first debate (without even knowing who else would be running, btw) AND the relentless incorrect reporting of the delegate numbers had nothing to do with this "foregone conclusion". Bernie said it best, "It's strange and undemocratic that 450 superdelegates backed Clinton even before we got into the race. That’s not democracy. That’s the establishment defending its own interests." CNN - Democratic Party superdelegates are undemocraticWhat does it matter? It's her turn, right? And at anytime, before the voting started, they could have switched to another candidate. Yes I voted for Hillary but if Biden or another strong candidate had entered the race we more then likely would be having a different conversation. The fact is, regardless of the Superdelegates, the majority of Democrats that have voted have voted for Hillary. The only real case Sanders could have made to switch the Superdelegates to him was if the popular vote had been a lot closer. But in spite of his wins the distance between the two in popular vote is growing not shrinking. That is not going to change today after the votes from the primaries are counted. Yes the rules should be reviewed and changes made. But regardless of the rules today and how Bernie has been whining the elections are rigged against him you can't change the fact more Democrats have voted for Hillary then Bernie. No one forced me to vote for Hillary or would have stopped me from voting for Bernie. And no I don't believe it's rigged if some of the primaries are open and some closed. As I said I think all primaries should be closed. If was the general election and only Dems or Reps could vote then I would say yes the election is rigged. But that is not the case is it. Its time for Bernie to quit whining. You can't change the fact 3.2 million Democrats have voted for Hillary over Bernie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 18:38:10 GMT
Hillary Clinton 12,989,184
Bernie Sanders 9,957,889
3,031,245 MILLION VOTE difference
If that's losing......I wanna lose like her
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Post by katieanna on Jun 7, 2016 18:45:02 GMT
My worst nightmare....Donald Trump & Hillary Clinton.  |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2016 18:45:37 GMT
It's unfortunate and her campaign wasn't too happy about it either. Oh, that very thought sets off my BS meter so loudly, I'm surprised you aren't hearing it wherever you are. I'm so sure Hillary wanted Bernie to have an honest chance to beat her yet again. Of course she wouldn't have wanted it announced last night. It will depress the vote today and she wants every vote she can get, even if she doesn't technically need them. Also, regardless of the fact that you seem to think she has superhuman powers (used only for evil, of course), she had zero control over whether the AP decided to release those numbers last night or not. It is completely incorrect to think this is in any way Hillary's doing. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 7, 2016 18:47:54 GMT
Oh, that very thought sets off my BS meter so loudly, I'm surprised you aren't hearing it wherever you are. I'm so sure Hillary wanted Bernie to have an honest chance to beat her yet again. Of course she wouldn't have wanted it announced last night. It will depress the vote today and she wants every vote she can get, even if she doesn't technically need them. Also, regardless of the fact that you seem to think she has superhuman powers (used only for evil, of course), she had zero control over whether the AP decided to release those numbers last night or not. It is completely incorrect to think this is in any way Hillary's doing. I agree with you, Lucy. This is more a move on the part of the establishment and media to lock in Hillary's bid for president. |
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I will make one more observation. I believe the reason Sanders is sticking around is because he believes or hopes Hillary will be hauled off in handcuffs and by default he will get the nominee. Yes it's possible Hillary will be hauled off but I suspect if that happens the Party Leaders will draft Biden because it's long been felt the same Democrats who voted for Hillary would also vote for Biden and therefore making him the best candidate to go against Trump. Remember the majority of Democrats have said they don't want Sanders to be the nominee and I don't believe that will change if Sanders is left by default and Biden can be drafted and agrees to run. The support for Biden is there. 
She would have voted for a Democrat.
