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Post by vspindler on Jun 8, 2016 19:41:30 GMT
A good friend of mine volunteers at a sanctuary for farm animals. They have summer camps there and have kids work with this animals, including leading some of the larger ones, like the donkeys, around with halters. I have gone out there with her a couple of times.
The sanctuary has a yearling heifer (young cow) and a steer (male but with testicles removed). I don't know if the male came to them "fixed" but they decided not to remove the horns from either of them because it was "cruel." Except now they have two large animals that are getting larger that have horns. They wanted to have campers walk them around on the halters. My friend was in the pasture with them the other day, because they are generally rather friendly, but the male started getting aggressive with her. Thankfully she grew up on a farm and knew not to turn her back and was able to distract him with carrots while she backed out of the gate.
Common sense and insurance liability would, I have thought, made it rather obvious that to have animals that weigh hundreds of pounds (more like tons when fully grown) that have horns that have been trained to run up to you thinking they will get treats, would fall under the heading of "bad ideas". I highly doubt that they will be able to do what they want with those two, simply because of the horns.
One of the other volunteers was pretty annoyed that the folks in charge wouldn't listen to those of them who knew that type of animal well. Thank goodness the male is fixed or they could have learned a *very* hard lesson about testosterone and horns.
I know why they wouldnt want to remove the horns, but it makes me shake my head that a group that cares so much about animals is also so clueless.
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Post by freebird on Jun 8, 2016 19:55:08 GMT
Uhhh.... is it cruel to cut your fingernails? because horns and fingernails are made of the same thing.
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Post by ladytrisha on Jun 8, 2016 21:51:52 GMT
dehorning is done to protect farmers, visitors and other animals. Under the theory of it hurts or its cruel, how would they look at castration I wonder?
Some rescues make me SMH too!
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Post by Zee on Jun 8, 2016 21:59:01 GMT
Is it too difficult to file the horns down after sawing them off? I know that sounds ridiculous, but can they be sawn off while the animal is confined and then maintenance filing done? Without sedation? I don't know anything about horned animals other than watching wildlife shows where they saw off rhino horns under sedation to protect them from poachers. I know that rhino horns are more like dense hair than hoof as far as what they're made of. I also know no one is filing a rhino horn just for fun Just adding that in case any Captain Obviouses feel the need to weigh in to tell me that cows are nothing like rhinos. This IS the peas, after all. In any case, that is too big an animal to have children around IMO, horns or no. It's asking for trouble.
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Post by perumbula on Jun 8, 2016 22:15:02 GMT
I think they are nuts thinking it's a good idea to have untrained people leading large cows around with what is basically a leash, horns or no horns.
Sunshine and rainbow thinking will often bring thunderstorms.
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Post by vspindler on Jun 8, 2016 22:24:39 GMT
You can remove the tips, but a horn is kind of like a dog's claw, there are nerves and veins in it up to a point. Usually when they are young the little horns are removed and the location cauterized to keep them from growing. (Not done here because of the cruelty factor.)
I am guessing they will end up on a foster farm eventually.
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Post by Zee on Jun 8, 2016 22:26:23 GMT
Thanks for answering!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 8, 2016 23:11:16 GMT
just by reading the original post, maybe you could say they care more about the animals than the people the animals might come into contact with... (said tongue-in-cheek, somewhat)
but seriously-- Why would someone (the owners) run a sanctuary for farm animals when, by this example, they obviously know very little about them and their behavior?? That's really stupid!
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 8, 2016 23:16:45 GMT
I'm not familiar with why they would lead the animals. When I hear of this being done it's typically 4H kids that are going to show their steer in the county fair to be judged and then slaughtered. I'm curious why they can't just wander in a fenced area and find something safer for the kids to do.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jun 9, 2016 0:36:35 GMT
Mean well, but don't think is true!
It reminds me of a friend's story. Their church sponsored an outreach program teaching younger kids it was possible for them to volunteer too. One of the activities was at a dog / cat rescue. They only went a few times a year but it took several years before leaders learned the rescued animals didn't receive any vaccinations. It was too big of an expense for a smallish non-profit.
My friend was appalled no one thought to ask. Nothing bad happened, maybe concern about possibilities and liability is overrated. I think not.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Jun 9, 2016 22:04:15 GMT
I'm just gonna guess that they would be against putting a nose ring in the steers nose right?. but that give a person LOTS of control over a bull or steer-but again I'm guessing they would find that cruel..
I live on a dairy, the calves are de-horned at a early age.. cruel to some, but pretty necessary when you are talking about cows that will be on the farm for many many years and that people will be in close contact with on a daily basis.
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