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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 20:57:44 GMT
Hopefully we can do this without it going down the road to animosity.
Based on what I've seen on my FB feed, Bernie Sander's supporters were very heavily weighted with younger voters, many of them first time voters. I've seen the same memes and articles over and over about Bernie over Hillary, etc.
What do you think will happen to that large voter block? Will they vote at all? Were they only motivated to be political because of Bernie's very left leaning ideas? Will they become Hillary supporters, simply vote for her because she's the Dem candidate, not vote at all, or vote third party? I'm not even offering voting for Trump as an option because I think that's highly unlikely except in a few cases where they are bitter enough to want to stick it to Hillary.
I'm curious as to what the next few months is going to bring in terms of political posts on FB from those that I've seen be ardent Bernie supporters.
ETA: Any Bernie supporters here are likely much more mature voters with a larger world view, so I'm really not including you in the whole youth movement he seems to have activated (there's usually one in every few elections who first time, idealistic, young voters get behind in droves), but feel free to answer.
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2016 21:02:14 GMT
I guess I'm one of those more "mature" Bernie supporters. And my answer is, I don't know. You know as well as I do that Texas will go for Trump no matter what I do, so I may not bother voting that day unless there's a state or local race I feel is important (and where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion).
I would bet that a lot of the younger folks will stay home, too, particularly if they don't live in a swing state.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jun 8, 2016 21:04:43 GMT
I do not think they will vote, and if they do it will be third party.
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Post by oliquig on Jun 8, 2016 21:07:55 GMT
I do not think they will vote, and if they do it will be third party. I agree with this. |
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Post by PLurker on Jun 8, 2016 21:08:21 GMT
My two teens would vote for Hillary. They are both "anyone but Trump." DS isn't old enough to vote. DD is and I'm sure she will vote for Hillary. HRC would be her second choice anyway, I think, along with the "anyone but Trump" stance, I can't see her going any other way. She and her friends all voted in the primaries and plan on voting in November. They seem to be all of the same mindset. No to Trump and plan on voting.
She had a group over last night and she said they were (half?) jokingly planning their great escape to Canada or studying abroad if Trump wins.
ETA I think that generation is all about tolerance/equality. At least the majority of them, and all I know through kids. And tolerant Trump is not in their (or many) eyes.
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Post by mom on Jun 8, 2016 21:12:35 GMT
I suspect the younger ones won't vote...and the more mature ones will go with Hillary.
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Post by ladytrisha on Jun 8, 2016 21:12:39 GMT
I think they will vote and go to Hillary - especially when Bernie finally endorses her (as she did Obama).
Pre-election yesterday, the people I see were firmly "I'm not going to vote for her, I'm voting Bernie, I'll handwrite his name in" ... today, with the results done, they've switched to the thinking of getting her in to office because she's not Trump. Couple that with the hope that Bernie and Elizabeth Warren team up to get some changes made, I think you'll see the young ones want to be more involved.
I work with a young guy (26) - he literally has done more research and analyzing numbers more than anyone I know. Why he's just an admin here I have no idea because he is so good on election issues.
On the other hand, there is a contingent that are the entitled ones - couple of hubby's family dribble on FB everyday about how unfair things are - 40 years old, nothing in the bank, nothing owned, thinks retirement plans are a waste of time and wants Bernie or else or he'll move to Belize. Uhhh okay, buh-bye LOL
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Post by carhoch on Jun 8, 2016 21:22:24 GMT
both of my kids (28 and 24) are voting for Hillary , my oldest one voted for Bernie in the primary .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:23:03 GMT
I guess I'm one of those more "mature" Bernie supporters. And my answer is, I don't know. You know as well as I do that Texas will go for Trump no matter what I do, so I may not bother voting that day unless there's a state or local race I feel is important (and where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion). I would bet that a lot of the younger folks will stay home, too, particularly if they don't live in a swing state. If it's any consolation, I know how you feel. We were conservatives living in Illinois before we moved to Texas. Any hopefully by mature, you know I wasn't referring to age, but rather having matured political views. |
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Post by berty on Jun 8, 2016 21:25:16 GMT
I'm not even offering voting for Trump as an option because I think that's highly unlikely except in a few cases where they are bitter enough to want to stick it to Hillary I heard an interview this morning on the radio with someone at a Bernie rally in CA. He said if Bernie isn't an option, he'll vote for Trump because he wants to send the message that it's time to get rid of the usual politicians and bring in outsiders to shake the system up. They didn't give his age so I don't know if he falls into the young voters category or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:29:47 GMT
I think they will vote and go to Hillary - especially when Bernie finally endorses her (as she did Obama). Pre-election yesterday, the people I see were firmly "I'm not going to vote for her, I'm voting Bernie, I'll handwrite his name in" ... today, with the results done, they've switched to the thinking of getting her in to office because she's not Trump. Couple that with the hope that Bernie and Elizabeth Warren team up to get some changes made, I think you'll see the young ones want to be more involved. I work with a young guy (26) - he literally has done more research and analyzing numbers more than anyone I know. Why he's just an admin here I have no idea because he is so good on election issues. On the other hand, there is a contingent that are the entitled ones - couple of hubby's family dribble on FB everyday about how unfair things are - 40 years old, nothing in the bank, nothing owned, thinks retirement plans are a waste of time and wants Bernie or else or he'll move to Belize. Uhhh okay, buh-bye LOL I wonder if that will actually happen. I read an article yesterday (and I have no idea where - it was on my "Briefing" page on my phone so I don't remember where it came from) that quoted some of Bernie Sander's aides saying that he is absolutely entrenched in the idea that he still has a chance at convention and beyond that that he has a chance if she is indicted before the election. It doesn't matter what YOU (global you) think his chances are - just that he appears to be very firmly set. The article made him seem bitter and slightly delusional. And these were from comments from his aides. |
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Post by berty on Jun 8, 2016 21:29:57 GMT
I think they will vote and go to Hillary - especially when Bernie finally endorses her (as she did Obama). Pre-election yesterday, the people I see were firmly "I'm not going to vote for her, I'm voting Bernie, I'll handwrite his name in" ... today, with the results done, they've switched to the thinking of getting her in to office because she's not Trump. Couple that with the hope that Bernie and Elizabeth Warren team up to get some changes made, I think you'll see the young ones want to be more involved. I work with a young guy (26) - he literally has done more research and analyzing numbers more than anyone I know. Why he's just an admin here I have no idea because he is so good on election issues. On the other hand, there is a contingent that are the entitled ones - couple of hubby's family dribble on FB everyday about how unfair things are - 40 years old, nothing in the bank, nothing owned, thinks retirement plans are a waste of time and wants Bernie or else or he'll move to Belize. Uhhh okay, buh-bye LOL Umm... I'd like to move to Belize for a while, regardless of who wins the election.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:30:19 GMT
I'm not even offering voting for Trump as an option because I think that's highly unlikely except in a few cases where they are bitter enough to want to stick it to Hillary I heard an interview this morning on the radio with someone at a Bernie rally in CA. He said if Bernie isn't an option, he'll vote for Trump because he wants to send the message that it's time to get rid of the usual politicians and bring in outsiders to shake the system up. They didn't give his age so I don't know if he falls into the young voters category or not. I can see that. I voted for Perot. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:31:16 GMT
Many of the ones I've seen on FB are planning to vote third party. They're hoping Bernie will lead the charge. Given that he's not a true Democrat, as some here have posted, he has no incentive to be loyal to the party except to keep Trump out of the White House.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jun 8, 2016 21:32:19 GMT
I heard a theory today that the Bernie supporters that want the free stuff will vote for HRC. The ones that want someone none establishment, will vote for Trump.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jun 8, 2016 21:38:47 GMT
Hopefully we can do this without it going down the road to animosity. Based on what I've seen on my FB feed, Bernie Sander's supporters were very heavily weighted with younger voters, many of them first time voters. I've seen the same memes and articles over and over about Bernie over Hillary, etc. What do you think will happen to that large voter block? Will they vote at all? Were they only motivated to be political because of Bernie's very left leaning ideas? Will they become Hillary supporters, simply vote for her because she's the Dem candidate, not vote at all, or vote third party? I'm not even offering voting for Trump as an option because I think that's highly unlikely except in a few cases where they are bitter enough to want to stick it to Hillary. I'm curious as to what the next few months is going to bring in terms of political posts on FB from those that I've seen be ardent Bernie supporters. ETA: Any Bernie supporters here are likely much more mature voters with a larger world view, so I'm really not including you in the whole youth movement he seems to have activated (there's usually one in every few elections who first time, idealistic, young voters get behind in droves), but feel free to answer.
I bolded your statement above for my own purposes. 
I hope they vote for her simply because she's a democrat if that's their poliitcal party. Many high level Republicans (and average people) have said they are supporting Trump because he's the republican nominee. I don't think changing the support from Bernie to Hilary should be viewed any differently than it seems to be viewed on the other political side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 21:46:58 GMT
Hopefully we can do this without it going down the road to animosity. Based on what I've seen on my FB feed, Bernie Sander's supporters were very heavily weighted with younger voters, many of them first time voters. I've seen the same memes and articles over and over about Bernie over Hillary, etc. What do you think will happen to that large voter block? Will they vote at all? Were they only motivated to be political because of Bernie's very left leaning ideas? Will they become Hillary supporters, simply vote for her because she's the Dem candidate, not vote at all, or vote third party? I'm not even offering voting for Trump as an option because I think that's highly unlikely except in a few cases where they are bitter enough to want to stick it to Hillary. I'm curious as to what the next few months is going to bring in terms of political posts on FB from those that I've seen be ardent Bernie supporters. ETA: Any Bernie supporters here are likely much more mature voters with a larger world view, so I'm really not including you in the whole youth movement he seems to have activated (there's usually one in every few elections who first time, idealistic, young voters get behind in droves), but feel free to answer.
I bolded your statement above for my own purposes.
I hope they vote for her simply because she's a democrat if that's their poliitcal party. Many high level Republicans (and average people) have said they are supporting Trump because he's the republican nominee. I don't think changing the support from Bernie to Hilary should be viewed any differently than it seems to be viewed on the other political side.
I wasn't indicating that that was a "wrong" choice because you are absolutely right - Republicans are stuck with Trump if they want to vote Republican. And I think "because she's not Trump" is just as valid as "because he's not Hilary" quite frankly. The problem is that the voters that I'm referring to (again, not the more politically matured voters) seem to have convinced themselves that no one but Bernie is going to lead them to the promised land, and I have serious doubts that many of them will be able to get behind HRC and will just stay home (as will many Republicans). It's strange because part of me thinks that the November election will be one of the highest turnouts in many, many years and the other part of me thinks that people are just going to throw up their hands and say screw it. I'm not sure how I can have both opinions at once, but I do. |
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Post by ladytrisha on Jun 8, 2016 21:53:30 GMT
I don't know how it will go, but I would like an "opt out" button for the media storm we're about to all suffer from!
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Jun 8, 2016 21:54:26 GMT
I bolded your statement above for my own purposes.
I hope they vote for her simply because she's a democrat if that's their poliitcal party. Many high level Republicans (and average people) have said they are supporting Trump because he's the republican nominee. I don't think changing the support from Bernie to Hilary should be viewed any differently than it seems to be viewed on the other political side.
I wasn't indicating that that was a "wrong" choice because you are absolutely right - Republicans are stuck with Trump if they want to vote Republican. And I think "because she's not Trump" is just as valid as "because he's not Hilary" quite frankly. The problem is that the voters that I'm referring to (again, not the more politically matured voters) seem to have convinced themselves that no one but Bernie is going to lead them to the promised land, and I have serious doubts that many of them will be able to get behind HRC and will just stay home (as will many Republicans). It's strange because part of me thinks that the November election will be one of the highest turnouts in many, many years and the other part of me thinks that people are just going to throw up their hands and say screw it. I'm not sure how I can have both opinions at once, but I do.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 8, 2016 21:57:37 GMT
My kids (early 30s) and their friends are all Bernie supporters, but they'll vote for Hillary in the fall. Keeping Trump out is more important than political purity. But they aren't all that young anymore, either. I heard a theory today that the Bernie supporters that want the free stuff will vote for HRC. The ones that want someone none establishment, will vote for Trump. My eyes can't roll high enough to express my feelings about this statement. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 8, 2016 22:11:50 GMT
I have some #bernieorgreen and #bernieorbust friends. They'll vote third party or stay home before voting for Hillary. I think a whole lot depends on Bernie. If memory serves, a good half of Hillary's supporters were talking of jumping ship to McCain in 08 before she started actively campaigning for him. By the general election, I think around 80% pulled the lever for Obama. If Bernie advocates his supporters vote for her, I imagine a similar % will fall in line (if not higher as Trump is hated way more than McCain). If he continues to fight for his revolution and never really endorses her, the percentage will be lower - if he jumps to a third party ticket, all bets are off.
ETA as a total random aside, I think it's funny that everyone always talks about Bernie supporters being young - in my small world, all the Bernie supporters I know are mid-40s+ My vocal young relatives are actually Trump supporters.
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Post by melanell on Jun 8, 2016 22:15:48 GMT
Several Bernie supporters on my FB feed have been mentioning 3rd Party candidates as an option instead of Hillary. I even saw a petition going around specifically stating that they would not vote for Hillary, no matter what.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 8, 2016 22:19:53 GMT
My son (26) will vote independent. He will never cast a vote for Hilary Clinton or Donald Trump. He was an independent before this primary and changed to Democrat just so he could vote for Bernie Sanders here in Maryland. I'll vote independent too. I will never vote for Hillary Clinton even though I've been a Democrat since I turned 18 in 1978 and I've voted in every election since then. After this election I'm leaving the Democratic Party.
I will not sit home-that's a waste of a vote and a disgrace to all of the women who fought so long and hard to get us women the vote.
I very much hope Bernie Sanders joins Jill Stein on the Green Party ticket. If not that's who I'll be voting for.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by ellen on Jun 8, 2016 22:20:20 GMT
My 19 year old daughter will vote for Hillary and I know many of her friends will too. I live in an extremely blue section of a blue state, so I can't see the young voters around here voting for Trump.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 8, 2016 22:23:10 GMT
My sons are 17 (18 in time to vote for the first time) and 20-right in that demographic you are asking about it. They both have said that they will now reluctantly vote for Sect. Clinton because to do otherwise would allow a possible Trump win and they are in the 'Anyone but Trump' camp.
As far as I can tell, they have done as much research and put as much thought into their decisions as any 'adult' I know-and more than some. They are definitely not in it to get 'free stuff' because honestly they still live in a world of 'free stuff' (still getting funds from their parents) so I don't think that is even part of the equation for them.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 8, 2016 22:26:18 GMT
For me, it really hangs on whomever will consent to be her Vice President.
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2016 22:34:04 GMT
I guess I'm one of those more "mature" Bernie supporters. And my answer is, I don't know. You know as well as I do that Texas will go for Trump no matter what I do, so I may not bother voting that day unless there's a state or local race I feel is important (and where the outcome is not a foregone conclusion). I would bet that a lot of the younger folks will stay home, too, particularly if they don't live in a swing state. If it's any consolation, I know how you feel. We were conservatives living in Illinois before we moved to Texas. Any hopefully by mature, you know I wasn't referring to age, but rather having matured political views. LOL. I knew what you meant. But I'm feeling every one of my 43 years today! |
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2016 22:34:55 GMT
For me, it really hangs on whomever will consent to be her Vice President. This is valid. Elizabeth Warren? I'll be first in line to vote for them whether it makes any difference in Texas or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:39:43 GMT
For me, it really hangs on whomever will consent to be her Vice President. This is valid. Elizabeth Warren? I'll be first in line to vote for them whether it makes any difference in Texas or not. Far be it for me to encourage a liberal to vote (LOL), but you really should even if it doesn't "count." It was a hard fought right that our grandmothers (or their mothers) were not afforded. ETA: I wasn't entirely sure of the date so I just looked it up - August 18, 1920. My mother's birthday. I surely learned that in history class so I wonder why it didn't stick in my mind. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 8, 2016 22:51:37 GMT
This is valid. Elizabeth Warren? I'll be first in line to vote for them whether it makes any difference in Texas or not. Far be it for me to encourage a liberal to vote (LOL), but you really should even if it doesn't "count." It was a hard fought right that our grandmothers (or their mothers) were not afforded. You are correct, of course. Just my disappointment talking ... |
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