scrappinghappy
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 9, 2016 15:50:39 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 9, 2016 15:54:39 GMT
I'm not one to easily jump on the white privilege or the "affluenza" band wagon and assume the worst. It is incredibly difficult to ignore in the Turner case. I can't see it any other way.
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oh yvonne
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Jun 26, 2014 0:45:23 GMT
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Post by oh yvonne on Jun 9, 2016 16:06:59 GMT
I see it moreso about wealth and proximity to power, not race.
You are poor? oh well, you are screwed, no matter your color. <clarifying my screwed comment, in this case it's not applicable> but I think you all know what I mean.
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perumbula
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Post by perumbula on Jun 9, 2016 16:24:42 GMT
I see it moreso about wealth and proximity to power, not race. You are poor? oh well, you are screwed, no matter your color. <clarifying my screwed comment, in this case it's not applicable> but I think you all know what I mean. Yes, it's often about class privilege. However, Batey was a college athlete as well. Being good at a sport automatically gives people privilege and bumps them up in to the upper classes most of the time. we still have issues with class privilege but when you control for income level, the non-white defendants still get longer sentences. And then how about the fact that studies have shown over and over again that if you aren't white it's much harder to move out of the income class you were born into keeping these kids poor and underprivileged. As much as I would very much like it not to be, race is still very much an issue in this country.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 9, 2016 16:42:50 GMT
I'm not discounting the information in the article or advocating for one of them over the other-- BUT-- would the state where the trial took place play into the potential sentences as well?? California vs. East Coast??
I don't know where they're both from but I'm guessing the Vanderbilt student was from / tried on the East Coast and that Brock Turner was from / tried in California, since he went to Stanford. That could be an erroneous assumption, of course... but are there other / additional reasons that the minimum sentences for a similar crime are SO VERY different as they were in these two cases??
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 9, 2016 16:45:48 GMT
The (lack of) sentencing to punish Brock Turner for his "20 minutes of action" is reprehensible from every perspective.
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The Great Carpezio
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jun 9, 2016 16:52:48 GMT
When talking about privilege, I leave off the "white" part. I completely believe there is white privilege, but there are also a lot of other privileges people have as well (socioeconomics, location, gender, etc...), and people don't get as offended or tune out immediately.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 9, 2016 17:27:02 GMT
I am utterly appalled at the sentencing of Turner - so please don't misunderstand this as any sort of justification for his slap on the wrist (which is what he received!). In the article it sounds like there was sufficient evident to charge and convict Batey with rape (they mention video records so I assume there was actual proof). If we're going to look at sentencing differences, I don't think you can compare convicted rape with intent to commit rape (which was what Turner was ultimately convicted of as they couldn't prove rape). It also helped tremendously that there was MANDATORY sentencing - which was not the case in California. There are a million and one instances of unfair sentencing - I'm just not sure this is actually a good example.
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valleyview
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Post by valleyview on Jun 9, 2016 18:00:40 GMT
It will be more interesting to compare what happens to Cory Batey's co-defendant, Brandon Vandenburg. That retrial is just beginning. The case originally involved several students and there was cellphone video sent to others from Vandenburg's phone. Alcohol has been used as a defense, but it did not work in the first trial.
The trials were/are in Nashville, and the juries for retrial were chosen in Chattanooga and Memphis.
I agree that income may have been a problem for Batey. But, Vanderbilt University does not have an Athletic Director, and while they don't want the school's reputation harmed, they do not seem to have put reputation or sports above the law.
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scrappinghappy
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 9, 2016 19:21:33 GMT
It will be more interesting to compare what happens to Cory Batey's co-defendant, Brandon Vandenburg. That retrial is just beginning. The case originally involved several students and there was cellphone video sent to others from Vandenburg's phone. Alcohol has been used as a defense, but it did not work in the first trial. The trials were/are in Nashville, and the juries for retrial were chosen in Chattanooga and Memphis. I agree that income may have been a problem for Batey. But, Vanderbilt University does not have an Athletic Director, and while they don't want the school's reputation harmed, they do not seem to have put reputation or sports above the law. My dd was a student at Vandy when this occurred. It has been a huge deal,at least amongst the students, that being an elite athlete on scholarship and/or not will not make the school support and/or defend you and so it should be. this happened on school property over the summer and the school took appropriate action, called the authorities and suspended, and subsequently expelled, the perpetrators. Rape and sexual harassment is not tolerated.
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