tincin
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Jul 25, 2014 4:55:32 GMT
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Post by tincin on Jun 9, 2016 22:06:42 GMT
if this case has done nothing else, it has opened a national dialogue on the disparity of sentencing between rapists of privilege and those of color and of rapists and those sentenced for nonviolent drug crimes. It has put a brilliant spotlight on college rape crimes and how inadequately they are dealt with. Hopefully it will lead to some changes which is no consolation to the victim who will deal with the ramifications of this crime far longer than her rapist will.
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Dalai Mama
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 9, 2016 22:26:58 GMT
Frankly, the disparity in sentencing isn't even on my radar.
It can't waste energy thinking about how rapists are treated differently because I'm too busy spitting blood over the fact that the victims are treated the same.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 9, 2016 22:55:48 GMT
I heard a story on NPR earlier today... they interviewed a law professor from Northwestern who talked about the (horribly low) number of rapists who actually get prosecuted at a jury trial, convicted, and sentenced to jail time.
She said that out of 1000 rapes only 4 end up actually getting all the way to a jury trial, being convicted, and going to prison. (I'm almost certain that was the number) By that, she meant that a large number aren't ever reported for various reasons, of the ones that are reported a certain # of them have the charges dropped or lessened, a certain # of THOSE plea bargain so they don't go to trial, and so on, etc.
So, what she said is-- and she was not lessening the victim's horrible experience at all by saying this-- she said think about the fact that there were a LARGE number of things that went RIGHT in this case, when you consider that the total number of rapists that actually get to the point of a jury trial and conviction is so staggeringly low.
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Post by cookiemum on Jun 9, 2016 23:16:06 GMT
This has been a huge topic of conversation in our house over the last few days. I was horrified when I read the victim's statement and I've been spewing mad since I read the father's letter about his "poor baby" followed closely by the letter written by the girl from high school. What are they putting in the drinking water in Dayton, Ohio???
I have to call BS on the retired prosecutor and family friend and her comment that it's only in the last few years that this has been highlighted on college campuses. Bull.Shit.
30 years ago, I graduated from a very large land grant university in the Midwest with what was at the time, (and still could be, I don't know), the largest Greek system in the country. It was named the #1 party school in the US for 2015. People worked hard and they partied hard. Did people make stupid choices? Absolutely. Did I? Of course. I was a stupid college kid learning to navigate life on my own away from my parents etc. Unfortunately sexual assault was happening back then and nothing has changed; it's not a new phenomenon. "No, means no" is not a new concept. It was stated over and over and over again along with safe drinking etc. At the time we had the dubious distinction of being a place where you only had to be 19 to get into the bars, but had to be 21 to drink. When could you start drinking? At 19 or when you got your hands on a fake ID. A crack down didn't happen until my senior year when a drunk freshman fell off the top of a building he'd climbed.
So don't try to make it out like they've only come to this realisation in the last few years. Sexual assault and binge drinking have unfortunately been happening for a very long time. Do I think alcohol was to blame in the Stanford case. No, I don't. As my 14yo said (they get this hammered home in health class starting from Grade 7), she couldn't consent, she was drunk. And him being drunk was not what made him rape her, it's just an excuse.
This is where I'm going to show my age, as the only thing that I think is different is that we now have a generation of young adults and teenagers with a real sense of entitlement and no sense of accountability because their parents either rescue or attempt to rescue them from everything. Is it any wonder this kid feels no remorse for what he did, aside from drinking too much, when we read how his father feels? As a parent to say I'd be horrified if my child did something like this would be an understatement. There's this whole generation that does not seem to understand that for every choice that they make there is a consequence. Be it positive or negative, there is a consequence. Neither Brock nor his parents seem to understand that.
My dh had an interesting comment about the judge and the more I think about it, I wonder. He said, he wonders if the judge saw himself in Brock Turner. Not necessarily that the raped a girl, but he might have done more than a few questionable things or made some poor choices. Who knows. Interesting idea though.
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MsKnit
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Jun 26, 2014 19:06:42 GMT
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 9, 2016 23:30:27 GMT
Here are some excerpts of the letters written on his behalf: Richard and Carolyn Bradfield, Turner's grandparents Brock is the only person being held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults. OMG!! Who the hell else do they think should be held acountable for rapist, Brock Turner's actions. He raped an unconcious (sp?) young woman. No one held a gun to his head an forced him to assault her. Holy Hell!
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Dalai Mama
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 9, 2016 23:44:36 GMT
Here are some excerpts of the letters written on his behalf: Richard and Carolyn Bradfield, Turner's grandparents Brock is the only person being held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults. OMG!! Who the hell else do they think should be held acountable for rapist, Brock Turner's actions. He raped an unconcious (sp?) young woman. No one held a gun to his head an forced him to assault her. Holy Hell! Mind-fucking-blowing, no?
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 10, 2016 3:01:58 GMT
My dh had an interesting comment about the judge and the more I think about it, I wonder. He said, he wonders if the judge saw himself in Brock Turner. Not necessarily that the raped a girl, but he might have done more than a few questionable things or made some poor choices. Who knows. Interesting idea though. Exactly this. Judges who let rapists and pedophiles off with a slap on the hand do so because they can relate to the offender. In their past there have been incidents. Guaranteed.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 10, 2016 3:22:54 GMT
Brock is the only person being held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults. OMG!! Who the hell else do they think should be held acountable for rapist, Brock Turner's actions. He raped an unconcious (sp?) young woman. No one held a gun to his head an forced him to assault her. Holy Hell! That quote infuriated me too. Who are all these "other irresponsible adults" and what exactly were their actions? Did they also rape an unconscious girl?
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Post by dillydally on Jun 10, 2016 3:23:13 GMT
Here are some excerpts of the letters written on his behalf: Richard and Carolyn Bradfield, Turner's grandparents Brock is the only person being held accountable for the actions of other irresponsible adults. OMG!! Who the hell else do they think should be held acountable for rapist, Brock Turner's actions. He raped an unconcious (sp?) young woman. No one held a gun to his head an forced him to assault her. Holy Hell! That jumped out to me as well and made my head explode!! (I hope this posts ok...I have never pea-d from my phone and the quote looks odd...)
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