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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 10, 2016 22:44:58 GMT
I'm curious what Trump supporters think of the reports that he does not pay contractors and others who do work for him, and has said that if he doesn't "approve" of the work they do, he is slow to pay and thinks that the Goverment should work that way as well. I keep hearing that people support him because he is a good businessman and they think he is looking out for the little guy. But it would seem that this is proof that isn't true. Is he going to get a pass on this, or does it affect your view of him? There are several reports if you google, but this is one. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
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Post by lumo on Jun 10, 2016 22:46:52 GMT
Trump is looking out for one person -- himself.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 10, 2016 23:05:29 GMT
I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch but I don't totally disagree with him on this. As a business person should he have to pay someone who doesn't do their job or does a crappy job? I think most people (especially successful business people who remove any emotion) would say no. He has the money to handle any court costs so if he doesn't feel he should pay then that's his right to refuse payment and take his chances of being sued. Now personally it sounds like this has happened a lot with him, but he does a lot of transactions so without seeing percentages of overall transactions it's hard to say.
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Post by jayfab on Jun 10, 2016 23:26:16 GMT
Way too many instances for this not to be true. The Don is a cheat, no doubt in my mind. I'm flabbergasted that anyone believes a word out of his mouth. He's cheap, a cheat and wants others to pay his way. Just like he's doing with his campaign. Look at all the free advertising he gets. He's a GREAT con man.
Just one example:
In the meeting, Donald Trump told his father that the company’s work was inferior, Friel said, even though the general contractor on the casino had approved it. The bottom line, Trump told Edward Friel, was the company wouldn't get the final payment. Then, Friel said Trump added something that struck the family as bizarre. Trump told his dad that he could work on other Trump projects in the future. “Wait a minute,” Paul Friel said, recalling his family's reaction to his dad’s account of the meeting. “Why would the Trump family want a company who they say their work is inferior to work for them in the future?”
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 11, 2016 0:55:31 GMT
I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch but I don't totally disagree with him on this. As a business person should he have to pay someone who doesn't do their job or does a crappy job? I think most people (especially successful business people who remove any emotion) would say no. He has the money to handle any court costs so if he doesn't feel he should pay then that's his right to refuse payment and take his chances of being sued. Now personally it sounds like this has happened a lot with him, but he does a lot of transactions so without seeing percentages of overall transactions it's hard to say. However the thing is that he has the money to tell the contractors ho ahead sue me, which would bury them. What if the contractor did the job he was hired to do and was told tough shit, I think it's crappy?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 11, 2016 1:15:36 GMT
Sounds like saying the work is not up to his standards is a common thing for Trump and sounds like a good excuse not to pay someone (although if I tried that I don't think it would go over so well). Would this have had anything to do with why he declared bankruptcy so many times? Sounds like there have been thousands of lawsuits against him. How many times did someone decide not to bother to go to court?
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Post by lucyg on Jun 11, 2016 1:33:10 GMT
I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch but I don't totally disagree with him on this. As a business person should he have to pay someone who doesn't do their job or does a crappy job? I think most people (especially successful business people who remove any emotion) would say no. He has the money to handle any court costs so if he doesn't feel he should pay then that's his right to refuse payment and take his chances of being sued. Now personally it sounds like this has happened a lot with him, but he does a lot of transactions so without seeing percentages of overall transactions it's hard to say. If you're unhappy with someone's work, you return it, you talk to them about it, you ask them to fix it, or you take them to court. You don't just decide not to pay them but carry on using their "inferior" product as if it were just A-OK. That is what Donald Trump does, and he gets away with destroying small businesses because he's rich, powerful, and doesn't care whom he hurts. That's not "good business," it's just a way to make money on the backs of little people.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 11, 2016 1:51:58 GMT
I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch but I don't totally disagree with him on this. As a business person should he have to pay someone who doesn't do their job or does a crappy job? I think most people (especially successful business people who remove any emotion) would say no. He has the money to handle any court costs so if he doesn't feel he should pay then that's his right to refuse payment and take his chances of being sued. Now personally it sounds like this has happened a lot with him, but he does a lot of transactions so without seeing percentages of overall transactions it's hard to say. If you're unhappy with someone's work, you return it, you talk to them about it, you ask them to fix it, or you take them to court. You don't just decide not to pay them but carry on using their "inferior" product as if it were just A-OK. That is what Donald Trump does, and he gets away with destroying small businesses because he's rich, powerful, and doesn't care whom he hurts. That's not "good business," it's just a way to make money on the backs of little people. Totally playing devils advocate here since I think trump is sleazy in plenty other ways......how do we know he didn't try to work with them? If there was a contract and the other guys didn't hold up their end of the bargain then why should he have to give them a chance to fix it? Again it makes a difference, IMO, if it's 0.01% or 10% of his overall contractors that he's had an issue with.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 11, 2016 1:54:09 GMT
I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch but I don't totally disagree with him on this. As a business person should he have to pay someone who doesn't do their job or does a crappy job? I think most people (especially successful business people who remove any emotion) would say no. He has the money to handle any court costs so if he doesn't feel he should pay then that's his right to refuse payment and take his chances of being sued. Now personally it sounds like this has happened a lot with him, but he does a lot of transactions so without seeing percentages of overall transactions it's hard to say. However the thing is that he has the money to tell the contractors ho ahead sue me, which would bury them. What if the contractor did the job he was hired to do and was told tough shit, I think it's crappy? I totally agree, if the contractor did the job he was hired for as the contract stated and was agreed upon, he should be paid as trump agreed to. But trump is saying that's not what happened.
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Post by txdancermom on Jun 11, 2016 1:59:10 GMT
He is not honorable - and business behavior like that comes with instructions from the man in charge, and he is the one in charge.
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Post by elaine on Jun 11, 2016 2:02:35 GMT
Bankruptcy also involves not paying one's bills - Trump also has plenty of experience with that. That some people think that Trump would solve our country's economic challenges makes me LOL.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 11, 2016 2:03:17 GMT
If you're unhappy with someone's work, you return it, you talk to them about it, you ask them to fix it, or you take them to court. You don't just decide not to pay them but carry on using their "inferior" product as if it were just A-OK. That is what Donald Trump does, and he gets away with destroying small businesses because he's rich, powerful, and doesn't care whom he hurts. That's not "good business," it's just a way to make money on the backs of little people. Totally playing devils advocate here since I think trump is sleazy in plenty other ways......how do we know he didn't try to work with them? If there was a contract and the other guys didn't hold up their end of the bargain then why should he have to give them a chance to fix it? Again it makes a difference, IMO, if it's 0.01% or 10% of his overall contractors that he's had an issue with. You've got a point, because I'm just going by what the contractors have said. I guess I have a problem with believing a word that comes out of Trump's mouth.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 11, 2016 2:20:22 GMT
I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch but I don't totally disagree with him on this. As a business person should he have to pay someone who doesn't do their job or does a crappy job? I think most people (especially successful business people who remove any emotion) would say no. He has the money to handle any court costs so if he doesn't feel he should pay then that's his right to refuse payment and take his chances of being sued. Now personally it sounds like this has happened a lot with him, but he does a lot of transactions so without seeing percentages of overall transactions it's hard to say. In the general population, I would agree with you, but for this particular guy, with his history, I totally believe it's intentional. After all, he brags about how his "bankruptcy" filings are good business practices, no matter how many people get screwed.
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Post by tincin on Jun 11, 2016 5:47:47 GMT
If you're unhappy with someone's work, you return it, you talk to them about it, you ask them to fix it, or you take them to court. You don't just decide not to pay them but carry on using their "inferior" product as if it were just A-OK. That is what Donald Trump does, and he gets away with destroying small businesses because he's rich, powerful, and doesn't care whom he hurts. That's not "good business," it's just a way to make money on the backs of little people. Totally playing devils advocate here since I think trump is sleazy in plenty other ways......how do we know he didn't try to work with them? If there was a contract and the other guys didn't hold up their end of the bargain then why should he have to give them a chance to fix it? Again it makes a difference, IMO, if it's 0.01% or 10% of his overall contractors that he's had an issue with. Did you read the entire article? Judges have ruled in the contractors favor and STILL Trump refuses to pay them. Hell, his own lawyers have sued him to get their money from him.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 11, 2016 6:54:14 GMT
I'm curious what Trump supporters think of the reports that he does not pay contractors and others who do work for him, and has said that if he doesn't "approve" of the work they do, he is slow to pay and thinks that the Goverment should work that way as well. I keep hearing that people support him because he is a good businessman and they think he is looking out for the little guy. But it would seem that this is proof that isn't true. Is he going to get a pass on this, or does it affect your view of him? There are several reports if you google, but this is one. www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/I really, really, really don't think of myself as a Trump supporter, but as it stands, I will be voting for Trump over Hillary so I guess this question is for me as well. I don't like a lot about Trump. I won't make excuses for him. It's possible that some of the suits against him are because he is such a big target, but I do believe that suits are brought against him with legitimate grievances as noted in the article linked. I have a moral objection to profiting from the gambling of others. I don't think it's "just business." Casinos are made for the sole purpose to exploit the weaknesses of others, IMO. Not to mention what the casinos did to the homes and neighborhoods in Atlantic City... So, even if he had continued to run these successfully, I would have my own personal strikes against him... but to actually bankrupt multiple casinos? In Atlantic City? SMH. It is incredulous. And still, I think he's a better option than Hillary or Bernie. Or Joe Biden, if the DNC goes into total circus mode and nominates him. We've had a LOT of serious changes made within our country over these past 7+ years. There's been a huge swing to the political left and that means that we are due for our momentum to swing back to the right because that's what pendulums do. Our citizenry is divided in two. Any further movement to the left will be countered by a swing to the right at some point. I'd rather it happen now, when the effects can still be moderately in the middle than at some later point, when we really risk deepening this divide even further. There was an article linked on another thread that said even if you don't agree with whomever the Democrat party nominates, you need to vote for that candidate because the party values were too important to let fall to the Republicans. And people on that thread agreed with the article. So, here it is in reverse. I do not agree with the Republican nominee, but I think we need a different perspective from that of the Democrat Party. At this point, it's really not about the candidate any longer. It's about the party in general. My vote in this election will be against the continued, unabated pull of this country to the left.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jun 11, 2016 11:26:27 GMT
Bankruptcy also involves not paying one's bills - Trump also has plenty of experience with that. That some people think that Trump would solve our country's economic challenges makes me LOL. In one bankruptcy, this article states he shed $500 million in debt!! He's filed 4 times (they were business bankruptcies not personal.) So what is his plan - can he file bankruptcy for the whole country and shed our debt He may think he's a great businessman, but overextending yourself to the point of needing bankruptcy restructuring doesn't scream great businessman to me. money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/companies/donald-trump-bankruptcy/
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 11, 2016 14:14:54 GMT
Totally playing devils advocate here since I think trump is sleazy in plenty other ways......how do we know he didn't try to work with them? If there was a contract and the other guys didn't hold up their end of the bargain then why should he have to give them a chance to fix it? Again it makes a difference, IMO, if it's 0.01% or 10% of his overall contractors that he's had an issue with. Did you read the entire article? Judges have ruled in the contractors favor and STILL Trump refuses to pay them. Hell, his own lawyers have sued him to get their money from him. You're right, my eyes kinda glazed over throughout some of that article and I didn't read the whole thing. Once ordered by the court he should absolutely pay and frankly I think the courts should be able to garnish whatever to get the debt paid.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 11, 2016 14:44:10 GMT
I don't think anything about it. Doesn't bother me at all, just as all the Hillary supporters time bothered by her lies, emails etc.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 11, 2016 14:46:13 GMT
However the thing is that he has the money to tell the contractors ho ahead sue me, which would bury them. What if the contractor did the job he was hired to do and was told tough shit, I think it's crappy? I totally agree, if the contractor did the job he was hired for as the contract stated and was agreed upon, he should be paid as trump agreed to. But trump is saying that's not what happened. Trump's MO is to ignore payments owed and outlast anyone that sues him. From the linked article: In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling.
In this case, the judge has ordered the Florida Doral resort to be foreclosed and the proceeds used to pay The Paint Spot. Of course, Trump is appealing. All this is over $30,000. DH is an electrical contractor and there are developers he will not work with because of their reputation for not paying.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 11, 2016 14:59:59 GMT
I don't think anything about it. Doesn't bother me at all, just as all the Hillary supporters time bothered by her lies, emails etc. I would say it makes him like anyone else who doesn't like the way the job has been done. There have been threads here where peas have said not to pay this or that until they get it right. This is no different.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 11, 2016 16:40:48 GMT
I don't think anything about it. Doesn't bother me at all, just as all the Hillary supporters time bothered by her lies, emails etc. I would say it makes him like anyone else who doesn't like the way the job has been done. There have been threads here where peas have said not to pay this or that until they get it right. This is no different.This is not why Trump has been through four bankruptcies. He racks up a great deal of debt to build a business and then restructures it in bankruptcy. Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, his casinos, and his resorts. One, two, three, four. Chapter 11 bankruptcy has absolutely nothing to do with not liking how the work is done. It is about ditching debt.
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Post by spongemom on Jun 11, 2016 16:42:21 GMT
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate this reply, leftturnonly, because I really get it, and it helps me to understand why someone would consider Donald Trump as a potential candidate. I am the political opposite of you, but I certainly understand the desire to vote along party lines. I am not a big Hillary Clinton fan, but I will vote for her to keep a democrat in the White House. I don't expect that Trump is going to further the right agenda very much, because he has not been a republican, and because he doesn't seem clear about his views, but I understand that he is a better risk in that regard than Hillary Clinton.
As for the OP, I think most Trump supporters would say that they don't believe the reports that he behaves that way towards his contractors (because they believe the media is bias against him, and of course, some media is bias against him) or they would say that it is just good business to do so.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 11, 2016 16:42:55 GMT
I would say it makes him like anyone else who doesn't like the way the job has been done. There have been threads here where peas have said not to pay this or that until they get it right. This is no different. This is not why Trump has been through four bankruptcies. He racks up a great deal of debt to build a business and then restructures it in bankruptcy. Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, his casinos, and his resorts. One, two, three, four. Chapter 11 bankruptcy has absolutely nothing to do with not liking how the work is done. It is about ditching debt. I wasn't talking about bankruptcy. Good grief, pay attention.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 11, 2016 16:47:11 GMT
This is not why Trump has been through four bankruptcies. He racks up a great deal of debt to build a business and then restructures it in bankruptcy. Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, his casinos, and his resorts. One, two, three, four. Chapter 11 bankruptcy has absolutely nothing to do with not liking how the work is done. It is about ditching debt. I wasn't talking about bankruptcy. Good grief, pay attention.I, on the other hand, was talking about bankruptcy. This is a discussion of whether Trump's financial dealings are of any importance to his qualification for the Presidency, and no discussion of such would be complete without pointing out that he has ensured on many occasions that he comes out financially ahead while suppliers, contractors, and others go unpaid. And he says "I did a good job". Well, if making money is your only goal, sure, you did a good job, but that strategy won't work for the American economy.
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Post by amom23 on Jun 11, 2016 16:47:51 GMT
I don't think anything about it. Doesn't bother me at all, just as all the Hillary supporters time bothered by her lies, emails etc. How well does it work for you when one of your clients decides they don't like the job you are doing or just decide they have paid you enough already?
This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with personal character.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 11, 2016 17:04:28 GMT
The government doesn't pay all of its bills now ( hence the trillions in national debt ) so the difference would be....?
And no I'm not a supporter and no I won't vote for him. But this reason won't be it.
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Post by jayfab on Jun 11, 2016 17:05:50 GMT
I don't think anything about it. Doesn't bother me at all, just as all the Hillary supporters time bothered by her lies, emails etc. I would say it makes him like anyone else who doesn't like the way the job has been done. There have been threads here where peas have said not to pay this or that until they get it right. This is no different.Yes, it is different. The Don does it only to get out of paying. Even his general contractor signs off on the job, but the Don says no, not paying. He's a cheat plain and simple. Getting rich off of the little guy. Why would you say someone did not do the job correctly but say you want to work with them again?
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Post by Why on Jun 11, 2016 17:12:14 GMT
"In one bankruptcy, this article states he shed $500 million in debt!! He's filed 4 times (they were business bankruptcies not personal.) So what is his plan - can he file bankruptcy for the whole country and shed our debt He may think he's a great businessman, but overextending yourself to the point of needing bankruptcy restructuring doesn't scream great businessman to me. "
here is what he said about that --- www.nationalreview.com/article/435226/trump-national-debt
that will be great for our countries credit rating
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Post by lucyg on Jun 11, 2016 17:43:13 GMT
I don't think anything about it. Doesn't bother me at all, just as all the Hillary supporters time bothered by her lies, emails etc. I would say it makes him like anyone else who doesn't like the way the job has been done. There have been threads here where peas have said not to pay this or that until they get it right. This is no different.But that's not what happened. Apparently Trump agrees to a price, then, after the fact, decides how much he's actually going to pay. Read the posts and the articles about it, and then decide.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 11, 2016 18:22:56 GMT
This is not why Trump has been through four bankruptcies. He racks up a great deal of debt to build a business and then restructures it in bankruptcy. Trump Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, his casinos, and his resorts. One, two, three, four. Chapter 11 bankruptcy has absolutely nothing to do with not liking how the work is done. It is about ditching debt. I wasn't talking about bankruptcy. Good grief, pay attention.The entire conversation, linked articles are all about bankruptcy, and not paying what he agreed to, and even when he's been court ordered to pay !
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