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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 0:09:50 GMT
So to keep this thread from pretty much becoming like every other thread with this type of title (i.e. a bunch of people sitting around patting each other on the back and saying how awful Trump is), let me just ask this. What exactly do you think Republicans should do come November when they step into the voting booth? We KNOW that Trump sucks. We think that Hillary sucks more in addition to being politically opposite of our beliefs. So where, realistically, does that leave us? Third Party? Gary Johnson seems like a reasonable alternative. Write-in? Abstain? I would do all of those before I voted for Donald Trump if he were the Democratic nominee. Perhaps. And I certainly have voted third party in a Presidential election before. But I also learned a valuable lesson from that. A third party vote takes a vote away from the party you support so it is essentially a vote for the other candidate. Because, despite the fact that I took a stand in 1992 and voted for Ross Perot, the political system didn't give a crap and third party candidates are no more viable as real contenders for the office of the President now than they were then. I was young and idealistic at the time and thought that a groundswell of votes for a third party candidate would break up the two party system. And yet, 25 years later, here we are. Two parties. Both with candidates that suck. If there was ever a time for a third party candidate to capture the nation's attention, this would be it. And all I hear are crickets.
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katybee
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Post by katybee on Jun 14, 2016 0:14:00 GMT
Third Party? Gary Johnson seems like a reasonable alternative. Write-in? Abstain? I would do all of those before I voted for Donald Trump if he were the Democratic nominee. Perhaps. And I certainly have voted third party in a Presidential election before. But I also learned a valuable lesson from that. A third party vote takes a vote away from the party you support so it is essentially a vote for the other candidate. Because, despite the fact that I took a stand in 1992 and voted for Ross Perot, the political system didn't give a crap and third party candidates are no more viable as real contenders for the office of the President now than they were then. I think this might be the year. Besides, I truly believe that Donald Trump has already done and will continue to do tremendous harm to the Republican Party. He is not a Republican. He does not care about the Republican Party – he has made that abundantly clear. I think the longer he represents the Republican Party, the more likely it is that the damage will not be undone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 0:16:17 GMT
Perhaps. And I certainly have voted third party in a Presidential election before. But I also learned a valuable lesson from that. A third party vote takes a vote away from the party you support so it is essentially a vote for the other candidate. Because, despite the fact that I took a stand in 1992 and voted for Ross Perot, the political system didn't give a crap and third party candidates are no more viable as real contenders for the office of the President now than they were then. I think this might be the year. Besides, I truly believe that Donald Trump has already done and will continue to do tremendous harm to the Republican Party. He is not a Republican. He does not care about the Republican Party – he has made that abundantly clear. I think the longer he represents the Republican Party, the more likely it is that the damage will not be undone. Sorry - I added to mine after you apparently quoted. So if this is "the year" where are the contenders? I've heard zero from anyone who is serious enough to make a legitimate run for it. I won't rule it out, but I have much less faith in it making a difference than I did in 1992.
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katybee
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Post by katybee on Jun 14, 2016 0:23:37 GMT
I think this might be the year. Besides, I truly believe that Donald Trump has already done and will continue to do tremendous harm to the Republican Party. He is not a Republican. He does not care about the Republican Party – he has made that abundantly clear. I think the longer he represents the Republican Party, the more likely it is that the damage will not be undone. Sorry - I added to mine after you apparently quoted. So if this is "the year" where are the contenders? I've heard zero from anyone who is serious enough to make a legitimate run for it. I won't rule it out, but I have much less faith in it making a difference than I did in 1992. Is Gary Johnson too liberal? He got 12% in a recent poll and is the only 3rd party candidate to get on the ballot in all 50 states. I think he could pull a lot of Bernie supporters over. And if some anti-trump people would put some $$ behind him--who knows? I still have a hard time understanding how the GOP got here. I have a lot of Republican friends – but NONE of them support Donald Trump.
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Post by lisae on Jun 14, 2016 0:56:30 GMT
So to keep this thread from pretty much becoming like every other thread with this type of title (i.e. a bunch of people sitting around patting each other on the back and saying how awful Trump is), let me just ask this. What exactly do you think Republicans should do come November when they step into the voting booth? We KNOW that Trump sucks. We think that Hillary sucks more in addition to being politically opposite of our beliefs. So where, realistically, does that leave us?The reality is all you are accomplishing is pointing out the obvious and getting patted on the back by everyone who already wouldn't vote for Trump (or Republican for that matter). And the same can be said of any threads about how awful Hillary is. The people who agree already know. The people who don't agree will never agree. And the people who are stuck with her as a candidate can't really do anything about it. Because if I have to see 5 more months of how awful Trump is and how awful Hillary is, I'm going to lose my freaking mind. Here's what I would do if I were a registered Republican and did not want Trump. I would voice my concerns to the party leaders. Most of the establishment doesn't want Trump either. He isn't the nominee yet. It may seem like a foregone conclusion but there may still be options at the convention. It might not do any good but I would at least indicate my concerns. The party needs to know that many people still don't want Trump as their nominee. The more outrageous things Trump says, the more he alienates those who are supposed to be supporting the nominee. In my case, I voted for Clinton in the primary. I have concerns and if she were not the eventual nominee I wouldn't be that upset about it. But I don't have enough issue with her and find enough positives about her to be ok with her as the nominee. I did however have strong objection to the Senate not taking up the Supreme Court nominee. My senator isn't on the judiciary committee but I wrote him a letter anyway. I've made it clear that IMO if he and the other senators don't want to do their job which is to consider a nominee, I won't be considering him for reelection this November. He responded with a nice letter giving me the party line on this issue which did nothing to persuade me to vote for him. I want to know more about his oponent but right now it isn't looking good for him to get my vote. As for the posts here about Trump, I comment on them because I hope that people will see that for all of Clinton's faults she is still far better than Trump. None of this is about making myself feel good. I don't feel good about this election at all. All we can do is make our voices heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 1:09:43 GMT
So to keep this thread from pretty much becoming like every other thread with this type of title (i.e. a bunch of people sitting around patting each other on the back and saying how awful Trump is), let me just ask this. What exactly do you think Republicans should do come November when they step into the voting booth? We KNOW that Trump sucks. We think that Hillary sucks more in addition to being politically opposite of our beliefs. So where, realistically, does that leave us?The reality is all you are accomplishing is pointing out the obvious and getting patted on the back by everyone who already wouldn't vote for Trump (or Republican for that matter). And the same can be said of any threads about how awful Hillary is. The people who agree already know. The people who don't agree will never agree. And the people who are stuck with her as a candidate can't really do anything about it. Because if I have to see 5 more months of how awful Trump is and how awful Hillary is, I'm going to lose my freaking mind. Here's what I would do if I were a registered Republican and did not want Trump. I would voice my concerns to the party leaders. Most of the establishment doesn't want Trump either. He isn't the nominee yet. It may seem like a foregone conclusion but there may still be options at the convention. It might not do any good but I would at least indicate my concerns. The party needs to know that many people still don't want Trump as their nominee. The more outrageous things Trump says, the more he alienates those who are supposed to be supporting the nominee.In my case, I voted for Clinton in the primary. I have concerns and if she were not the eventual nominee I wouldn't be that upset about it. But I don't have enough issue with her and find enough positives about her to be ok with her as the nominee. I did however have strong objection to the Senate not taking up the Supreme Court nominee. My senator isn't on the judiciary committee but I wrote him a letter anyway. I've made it clear that IMO if he and the other senators don't want to do their job which is to consider a nominee, I won't be considering him for reelection this November. He responded with a nice letter giving me the party line on this issue which did nothing to persuade me to vote for him. I want to know more about his oponent but right now it isn't looking good for him to get my vote. As for the posts here about Trump, I comment on them because I hope that people will see that for all of Clinton's faults she is still far better than Trump. None of this is about making myself feel good. I don't feel good about this election at all. All we can do is make our voices heard. While that sounds good, as I've stated before during the primaries when there was talk of "how can the Republicans get around Trump," I don't believe in manipulating the system. If Donald Trump won enough delegates through legitimate means (and I have no reason to believe that the votes he received were not legitimate), then I don't believe the party should "do anything about him." I cast my vote for someone else during the primary. I've made my voice known through that vote. I don't want the system manipulated. My position on this didn't change just because I don't like the outcome. As for the second part I highlighted, we'll have to agree to disagree on that because I certainly don't share that opinion, both politically and personally.
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Post by lisae on Jun 14, 2016 1:30:03 GMT
Here's what I would do if I were a registered Republican and did not want Trump. I would voice my concerns to the party leaders. Most of the establishment doesn't want Trump either. He isn't the nominee yet. It may seem like a foregone conclusion but there may still be options at the convention. It might not do any good but I would at least indicate my concerns. The party needs to know that many people still don't want Trump as their nominee. The more outrageous things Trump says, the more he alienates those who are supposed to be supporting the nominee.In my case, I voted for Clinton in the primary. I have concerns and if she were not the eventual nominee I wouldn't be that upset about it. But I don't have enough issue with her and find enough positives about her to be ok with her as the nominee. I did however have strong objection to the Senate not taking up the Supreme Court nominee. My senator isn't on the judiciary committee but I wrote him a letter anyway. I've made it clear that IMO if he and the other senators don't want to do their job which is to consider a nominee, I won't be considering him for reelection this November. He responded with a nice letter giving me the party line on this issue which did nothing to persuade me to vote for him. I want to know more about his oponent but right now it isn't looking good for him to get my vote. As for the posts here about Trump, I comment on them because I hope that people will see that for all of Clinton's faults she is still far better than Trump. None of this is about making myself feel good. I don't feel good about this election at all. All we can do is make our voices heard. While that sounds good, as I've stated before during the primaries when there was talk of "how can the Republicans get around Trump," I don't believe in manipulating the system. If Donald Trump won enough delegates through legitimate means (and I have no reason to believe that the votes he received were not legitimate), then I don't believe the party should "do anything about him." I cast my vote for someone else during the primary. I've made my voice known through that vote. I don't want the system manipulated. My position on this didn't change just because I don't like the outcome. As for the second part I highlighted, we'll have to agree to disagree on that because I certainly don't share that opinion, both politically and personally. I certainly respect your point of view. Perhaps the VP picks will help us better understand what a Trump Presidency or a Clinton Presidency would look like.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 14, 2016 5:49:02 GMT
Donald Trump is going to battle with The Washington Post -- revoking the paper's credentials to cover his campaign over this story by Jenna Johnson. Post executive editor Martin Baron called Trump's move "nothing less than a repudiation of the role of a free and independent press." Here's the story from CNN's Tom Kludt and Brian Stelter. money.cnn.com/2016/06/13/media/donald-trump-washington-post-credentials/index.html So every time someone writes something about him that he doesn't like, he's going to "ban" them? Is that what he's going to do when he is president, as well? How about just put them in jail, instead… The man is terrifying. I saw a statement from his spokesperson today claiming that Mr. Trump doesn't mind negative news coverage at all. It's only lies that bother him. Honestly, I couldn't roll my eyes back far enough.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Jun 14, 2016 6:29:12 GMT
So to keep this thread from pretty much becoming like every other thread with this type of title (i.e. a bunch of people sitting around patting each other on the back and saying how awful Trump is), let me just ask this. What exactly do you think Republicans should do come November when they step into the voting booth? We KNOW that Trump sucks. We think that Hillary sucks more in addition to being politically opposite of our beliefs. So where, realistically, does that leave us? The reality is all you are accomplishing is pointing out the obvious and getting patted on the back by everyone who already wouldn't vote for Trump (or Republican for that matter). And the same can be said of any threads about how awful Hillary is. The people who agree already know. The people who don't agree will never agree. And the people who are stuck with her as a candidate can't really do anything about it. Because if I have to see 5 more months of how awful Trump is and how awful Hillary is, I'm going to lose my freaking mind. Same thing I've done when I was in that situation. Stay home. Just don't vote. Anything is better than voting for a dangerous monster like Trump.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 17:25:11 GMT
While that sounds good, as I've stated before during the primaries when there was talk of "how can the Republicans get around Trump," I don't believe in manipulating the system. If Donald Trump won enough delegates through legitimate means (and I have no reason to believe that the votes he received were not legitimate), then I don't believe the party should "do anything about him." I cast my vote for someone else during the primary. I've made my voice known through that vote. I don't want the system manipulated. My position on this didn't change just because I don't like the outcome. I pretty much agree with this in theory, but isn't trump in this position because HE manipulated the system? It seems frightening to me that just anyone can say they're "representing a party", run for president, and say anything they want to say. From what I understand, trump isn't a "real" republican, so how does he get away with pretending to be one?
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