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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 23:37:40 GMT
Well since I am completely into the metaphysical spin on things, I do explore deeper purpose and open to expanded awareness. Whether actually something has valid reason in going deeper and valid meaning of there being a bigger picture isn't for the identifying of a situation to determine.So, yes I don't like that saying about there being a reason for everything either. It sounds like it would be justifying the cause. Can a reason only be identifiable though? Can it not be felt deeper or open to considering that there could be more than just its factual form? I don't really use the word 'reason' when I explore deeper meaning to a situation. I use the word 'why'. This is all just my personal opinion though. You lost me here. I've tried reading this sentence at least three times, but my head is starting to hurt. Could you try restating that with a different sentence structure?
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carole3k
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Post by carole3k on Jun 14, 2016 0:22:02 GMT
Right up there with God has a plan. Hate that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 0:27:21 GMT
I agree, I think it's one of the most trite things someone can say and it really doesn't even make sense. Everytime someone says it I can't help but think really? A child suffering or being killed, someone being raped, etc, happens for reason?
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 14, 2016 0:53:12 GMT
I agree with hating those sayings!! I have never ever liked them. I have to bite my dang tongue every time someone posts those comments on FB when something has happened. It especially hit home last summer when my cousin's only 2 sons ages 14 and 18 were killed in a car accident. They were very religious. Their whole lives revolved around these 2 boys. How in the world can that make any sense? how can their be a bigger plan? how can they be in a better place? and how in the world is this NOT more then she can handle? it is.
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jun 14, 2016 0:58:43 GMT
Well since I am completely into the metaphysical spin on things, I do explore deeper purpose and open to expanded awareness. Whether actually something has valid reason in going deeper and valid meaning of there being a bigger picture isn't for the identifying of a situation to determine.So, yes I don't like that saying about there being a reason for everything either. It sounds like it would be justifying the cause. Can a reason only be identifiable though? Can it not be felt deeper or open to considering that there could be more than just its factual form? I don't really use the word 'reason' when I explore deeper meaning to a situation. I use the word 'why'. This is all just my personal opinion though. You lost me here. I've tried reading this sentence at least three times, but my head is starting to hurt. Could you try restating that with a different sentence structure? I will try it backwards: A situation that is identified by its facts cannot determine whether there is validity to explore deeper meaning or a bigger picture. I associate the word 'identifying' as what is factually determined. You cannot identify a feeling. It goes deeper than physical definition. When you to try to express a feeling into words it may lose its deeper meaning. That's because words fit the surface of reasoning, definition and identification. Same as ideas losing their whole vision when expressed into words. Ideas are not surfaced. They build up and expand out from the surface. This is why art, music and poetry are able to express deeper meaning. Because they have the ability to go beyond words. So, when you try to look at a metaphysical spin on a reason; that's not respecting there being a factual definition of the cause of something occurring. I believe that the factual still has to be known before you can explore beyond that. That's why I believe that any reason for a cause is not supposed to determine whether there is a deeper meaning or bigger picture. It's supposed to be the balance and the foundation. I believe there to be a deeper meaning and bigger picture to a cause because it's what I feel intuitively and become aware of knowingly. And I see these two aspects as going beyond the act of identifying. Again, this is just my personal opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 1:25:09 GMT
You lost me here. I've tried reading this sentence at least three times, but my head is starting to hurt. Could you try restating that with a different sentence structure? I will try it backwards: A situation that is identified by its facts cannot determine whether there is validity to explore deeper meaning or a bigger picture. I associate the word 'identifying' as what is factually determined. You cannot identify a feeling. It goes deeper than physical definition. When you to try to express a feeling into words it may lose its deeper meaning. That's because words fit the surface of reasoning, definition and identification. Same as ideas losing their whole vision when expressed into words. Ideas are not surfaced. They build up and expand out from the surface. This is why art, music and poetry are able to express deeper meaning. Because they have the ability to go beyond words. So, when you try to look at a metaphysical spin on a reason; that's not respecting there being a factual definition of the cause of something occurring. I believe that the factual still has to be known before you can explore beyond that. That's why I believe that any reason for a cause is not supposed to determine whether there is a deeper meaning or bigger picture. It's supposed to be the balance and the foundation. I believe there to be a deeper meaning and bigger picture to a cause because it's what I feel intuitively and become aware of knowingly. And I see these two aspects as going beyond the act of identifying. Again, this is just my personal opinion. I get some of what you're saying, I think. Some of it escapes me, but that's ok Thanks for replying.
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Post by huskergal on Jun 14, 2016 2:55:58 GMT
I 100% agree. I can't imagine being a parent of a baby that dies and someone says, "everything happens for a reason." No, sometimes life is just cruel and heartless. There is no reason why a baby should die.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 14, 2016 2:59:00 GMT
I completely disagree w/this phrase, too. I believe in this phrase instead, "Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug"!
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Post by tincin on Jun 14, 2016 3:00:53 GMT
I completely agree. Often there is no explanation for things that happen other than the evil of some person or a freak accident.
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Post by bosoxbeth on Jun 14, 2016 4:29:09 GMT
I hate those kinds of comments. When I hear them, I usually think to myself, "oh, that person is not very smart, is he/she?"
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Post by miominmio on Jun 14, 2016 4:31:45 GMT
I completely agree.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 14, 2016 12:00:15 GMT
I 100% agree. I can't imagine being a parent of a baby that dies and someone says, "everything happens for a reason." No, sometimes life is just cruel and heartless. There is no reason why a baby should die. Right! I always think of children with cancer. There is no fucking reason children need to get so sick or die. NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL.
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 14, 2016 12:26:47 GMT
I can't stand that saying or the one you are only given what you can handle. Just a load of crap. Yes! I'm sorry, but I CAN'T handle everything right now. Thank God for my friends and my DD.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 12:52:49 GMT
I agree, I hate this expression too. We've had it said to us many times over the years and it doesn't help at all.
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Post by woodysbetty on Jun 14, 2016 12:54:16 GMT
"Things don't happen for a reason, we attach reason to things that happen." Totally agree!!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 14, 2016 12:57:27 GMT
The 'reason' it happened is some hate-filled asshole took it upon himself to play god with other people's lives.
No grander plan than that.
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Post by theshyone on Jun 14, 2016 17:34:02 GMT
Or saying to the survivors of any incident, "God must have a purpose for you." Meaning it was the deceased time to go because God wanted them in Heaven. This puts Extreme pressure on survivors to be "more" than they were before, it's not right at all. Sometimes just "being" is extraordinarily hard, let alone "more"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:39:41 GMT
Man, OP, do I feel ya. I despise it, too. For every reason you mentioned.
When people said it to me during the worst time of my life, it made me want to cry even more. They are probably lucky I didn't yell "eff that!" back at them.
And even now, with some time having passed, I may not find it as hurtful, but it's still as meaningless. Can something good happen after and maybe even as a result of something awful happening? Sure. But that's as far as I'm willing to take it.
Ugh. I'm getting altitude sickness up here on my soapbox so I'm jumping down.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:47:42 GMT
Or saying to the survivors of any incident, "God must have a purpose for you." Meaning it was the deceased time to go because God wanted them in Heaven. This puts Extreme pressure on survivors to be "more" than they were before, it's not right at all. Sometimes just "being" is extraordinarily hard, let alone "more" Yes yes YES theshyone ...this.
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Post by scrappintoee on Jun 19, 2016 13:45:47 GMT
me too!
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 19, 2016 15:58:11 GMT
What I try to do now that I've been on the receiving end and know what really, truly helped me, is tell the person I'm so sorry, give them a hug if I think that's what they would want me to do then, and just tell them that I'm here if they want to talk.
One of my MIL's best friends lost her 8 year old daughter in a freak car accident in front of the church on their way home from church one Sunday night. My MIL's 50th wedding anniversary was the same weekend as the first father's day after I lost my dad. She knew how difficult my life was right then--being so sick I could barely walk, having to deal with asshole behaviour and drama from relatives, and having to be in public and put on a happy face on the one weekend when I wanted to crawl into a hole and never come out.
She just sat down beside me, gave me a hug, told me she understood I was having a tough time. We talked for a few minutes--she asked about my dad and let me talk about him (people think that talking about your lost loved one will just make it worse--the worst was people obviously ignoring saying anything), told me what had helped her with her grief--don't let anybody say that you shouldn't feel or act the way you are or should have already gotten over ___ already, about dumb stuff people say even though they mean well, and was just one of the few people that really DID try to make a meaningful connection.
I've been through some pretty nasty stuff in my life--yes, it's made me stronger and has let me help people, but the phrase "God only gives us what we can handle" just makes people feel even more inadequate for feeling like they CAN'T handle it. Like others said--sometimes just *being* is a big enough struggle without being pressured into thinking that you also have to be "more than" and "inspirational".
Through a lot of counseling, self reflection, and talking to other wise people, I've come to realise that some days I can shoulder other people's pain, and sometimes I need to take a break and concentrate on my own oxygen mask.
I think this is a bigger issues in Christian circles. People drag out Mary and poor old Martha again. Jesus wasn't saying that what Mary was doing was much more important than what Martha was doing--just that all the chores that Martha was focused on in that particular moment in scripture will always be there. The times where we can be a blessing to others are fleeting. The laundry and dishes will still be there waiting for you tomorrow but an opportunity to help somebody else, share another person's pain and heartbreak to physically show them that somebody does care, or to enjoy the way too fleeting moments of joy.
I always think of that poem for young mothers--settle down cobwebs, dust go to sleep, I rocking my baby and babies don't keep. My mom was always so focused on cleaning, etc. that she couldn't sit down and just enjoy and be. The only time I've ever had her sit beside me for the entire length of a movie and not get up and do something else--at the movie theatre.
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