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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 14, 2016 17:50:37 GMT
This time around, though? I am not seeing much at all. So is this being ignored by some because of who the victims are? This is (thankfully) not the case where I live. I live in a very liberal, large city. There is a huge outcry for this senseless violence, and lots of shows of support. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 14, 2016 17:56:58 GMT
This is a s/o of the Orlando and How were you raised thread.... Have you noticed a different reaction from your friends to the Orlando shootings vs. other mass shootings in recent history? If so, why do you think this is? Is it because the victims (atleast some of them) were gay? Or is it because we have had so many mass shootings? __________________________________________________________________________________________________ I have noticed a difference in the way my social groups (lol, basically Facebook friends) have responded to the Orlando shootings. When the shootings in Paris happened, my Facebook feed was blown up with the French flag, Pray for Paris...that sort of thing. With Sandy Hook, I saw the same thing. Anger. Outrage. This time around, though? I am not seeing much at all. My gay friends have all posted something. A handful of friends (myself included) changed our profiles to the rainbow flag and posted something about it. The majority of my Facebook friends, though, have said nothing and honestly? It disappoints me. The Christina Grimme murder got more out cry than the mass shooting on my Facebook feed. Full disclosure: most of my Facebook friends are Christian. So is this being ignored by some because of who the victims are? I posted nothing about this crime. I have posted nothing about the other crimes. They are all one and the same to me, makes no difference if they are in Paris or Sandy Hook and the victims are children or transgender. Anything I've seen this time was either in support of tolerance for LGBTAQ individuals, or remarking on how these groups are public targets from people who have declared themselves to be our enemy. The people who seemed to post about it now are the same people who seemed to post about it before. Most of these people would consider themselves as either Christians or believers in God/higher power. |
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Post by maryland on Jun 14, 2016 19:48:27 GMT
I haven't noticed. To me, they are all eqaually as bad. No one deserves to be shot.
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 14, 2016 20:00:38 GMT
Nowhere near the number of avatar changes as Paris. I agree, that isn't something I go for. I do think I'm seeing more people really coming right out and saying enough is enough, let's get some change going. I hope we do. We won't solve this, but we can make a dent in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 22:18:44 GMT
The way in which we feel empathy is largely tied in with how we identify with a certain group. If what people read in the media focuses on the victims being gay, it's possible people are not connecting with that as much as they did with say being a parent and the Sandy Hook tragedy. That is why it is important to humanize the victims as much as possible. Reading about the young guy (Luis) who worked at the Harry Potter ride enables people to remove him from the gay demographic and instead as a young man who worked at a place that people do connect with.
I'm not saying whether its wrong or right but human thinking can often times be automatic and superficial and sometimes you need to make a conscious effort to find a connection to someone who you think is nothing like you.
To think people are connecting more with the gorilla story means most likely the links to visiting a zoo, having young children at threat and majestic animals (the gorilla) may strike a chord with people that evokes a stronger connection and therefore empathy.
At the end of the day, we mainly just think about ourselves.
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Post by gypsymama on Jun 14, 2016 23:14:38 GMT
my experience is similar to the OP's...huge outpouring for paris and not nearly as much for orlando, toss in a LOT of gun loving... depressing really
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 14, 2016 23:17:14 GMT
My friends have been just as upset or moreso (because a lot live in Florida) as with the other shootings. I am just as upset with this one as I am with the others. My usual relatives have ramped up their "yay guns, fuck you liberals" rhetoric that they always spew when this happens.  Either way, people are reacting the same in my circle. |
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 14, 2016 23:22:38 GMT
With the exception of two people (one lives there), my FB feed has been completely silent.
I knew my circle was rather homophobic, but not to the extent. I'm actually waiting to be unfriended because of my posts in support of the people in Orlando.
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Post by SabrinaM on Jun 14, 2016 23:30:14 GMT
No, I am seeing plenty of sympathy, support and outrage on my FB feeds. Same here. Then again, I'm from Orlando. My family lives there and my Mom works a block from Pulse. Lots of anger and sympathy from what I'm seeing. |
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Post by SabrinaM on Jun 14, 2016 23:34:13 GMT
With the exception of two people (one lives there), my FB feed has been completely silent. I knew my circle was rather homophobic, but not to the extent. I'm actually waiting to be unfriended because of my posts in support of the people in Orlando. So, not "showing support" = homophobic? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I typically keep my posts about lighthearted stuff. I partake in very very little political banter. I'm not the least bit homophobic. Again, what a ridiculous assumption. |
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Post by raindancer on Jun 14, 2016 23:37:58 GMT
With the exception of two people (one lives there), my FB feed has been completely silent. I knew my circle was rather homophobic, but not to the extent. I'm actually waiting to be unfriended because of my posts in support of the people in Orlando. I'm as far from homophobic as you can be, but have said and will say nothing about this on fb because this has to do with the need for gun control and I'm not interested in having that fight with my gun toting right wing family on social media. |
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 14, 2016 23:39:44 GMT
With the exception of two people (one lives there), my FB feed has been completely silent. I knew my circle was rather homophobic, but not to the extent. I'm actually waiting to be unfriended because of my posts in support of the people in Orlando. So, not "showing support" = homophobic? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I typically keep my posts about lighthearted stuff. I partake in very very little political banter. I'm not the least bit homophobic. Again, what a ridiculous assumption. My comment was not a general comment. It was regarding those on MY FB feed. My FB circle is tiny (Less than 40 and 2 of them are dogs.) I know them well enough to know where they stand. Most of these are people that I have lived with or have known the majority of my life. I know where they stand on LGBT issues. |
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 14, 2016 23:40:13 GMT
I've seen a mix. My "liberal" friends and family have been in shock and grief, and the comments have been about the horrific level of hatefulness it takes to do something like this.
Sadly, many of my acquaintances and family are Christian fundamentalists and have made judgemental and hateful comments. I was glad one of them got their ass handed to them. (anything I post would get back to my inlaws and cause drama for my dh)
When I heard about the massacre Monday afternoon and told my dh, what made me cry the most was knowing that so many people would say that the victims had it coming because of their "lifestyle".
These were kids who just wanted to have fun and dance. What happened to them was an atrocity and nothing about their lives makes this less horrific.
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Post by *KAS* on Jun 14, 2016 23:46:24 GMT
I was out of town this weekend with a bunch of friends. We had A LOT of conversations about Orlando -- a lot more than I had with anybody about Paris. I'd say I didn't notice as much on Facebook, but I think that's primarily b/c I wasn't on there as much AND because Facebook was pushing the Red/White/Blue France flag colors for your profile photo after that attack. It was right at the top of my news feed. I didn't see it promoted at all this time. But I have noticed other things - the company I work for made a significant donation to an Orlando LGBT charity, The Tampa Bay Rays changed their avatar and are offering $5 game tickets with proceeds going to an Orlando LGBT charity, Disney donated a huge chunk of money etc. that I didn't see after Paris. But I also have seen a lot more "don't take my gun" posts on Facebook too.
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Post by jayfab on Jun 15, 2016 0:03:16 GMT
My face book had more support for Paris. It's what I expected so I'm not surprised. This is the first time I actually unfriended someone because of their holier than thou views. When I started reading her post about morals and the liberal agenda I said to myself enough. Not today Ms two face.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 15, 2016 0:37:35 GMT
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, but whatever. I find the whole "change my profile picture" and "I support" or "#_________strong" thing to be a giant case of look at me. Unless you are also accompanying that with donations or going to a location to provide on the ground assistance, they are nothing more than words. Words that most likely few that are affected will ever see because in the few days or weeks that you choose to display it to your friends, the real victims are far to busy to be browsing FB to see who stands with them. They feel like empty words and gestures to me. I don't change my profile picture or post an update every time I send good thoughts, pray, support someone, or make a donation. I don't need to because it's not about me. I think that those types of things are slactivism at its finest and are rarely accompanied by any real show of physical support. I agree with you - I really do - but at the same time I so loved seeing my friends on FB with their fists raised in solidarity all over the country and I love seeing the sea of rainbows every time I look at my news feed. I feel like it is a groundswell of support and visibility. It's okay to talk about our fears right now and the victims are being talked about as people, not as a political issue. And in this day and age THAT is doing something. |
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Post by CarolT on Jun 15, 2016 0:47:35 GMT
I'm in Orlando, but have friends and family around the world. My FB feed is mostly messages of support, sadness, and ways to help.
Also, a lot of expressions of solidarity with the LGBTQ community - so much so that it feels like maybe, just maybe we've moved a little closer to true acceptance of our LGBTQ community members. Locally, at least, people are so heartbroken about the loss of these precious lives that their sexual orientation is a non-issue.
My LGBTQ friends are no more vocal than any others on my Facebook feed.
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Post by finaledition on Jun 15, 2016 1:13:00 GMT
I definitely don't see the mass change of avatar /profile pics like I did for Paris and even Boston. I didn't see them for San Bernadino shootings either. I think people are over the "praying for _____" mentality as I think it disheartening to see that praying doesn't prevent them from happening.
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Post by melanell on Jun 15, 2016 1:21:32 GMT
My Facebook has been full of posts about thoughts, prayers, and hearts being with Orlando and there are rainbows everywhere. It is definitely not being ignored by the people I know, whether they are gay or not.
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Post by mom on Jun 15, 2016 1:45:01 GMT
With the exception of two people (one lives there), my FB feed has been completely silent. I knew my circle was rather homophobic, but not to the extent. I'm actually waiting to be unfriended because of my posts in support of the people in Orlando. This is how I feel as well. It makes me sad, but at the same time, I just want to tell the to F*off. SaveSave |
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 15, 2016 2:22:22 GMT
I've seen a variety of posts.
Some people on vacations are just posting happy pics of their trips.
My friends who are gay or bisexual have posted comments or pictures in support of the Orlando LGBT community.
A few other friends are posting or sharing supportive pictures or comments.
A couple friends who are very conservative, very religious, have posted lots of things about "why we need guns" and not taking away gun rights, or how they carry guns and would be willing to shoot to save themselves and the rest of us.
Some are posting about how we need more common-sense gun laws, and how no one needs an AR-15 as a personal weapon.
I'm not one to post a lot, and I'm not a fan of doing something just because everyone else is - but reading some of the very conservative posts made me feel like I don't want those "friends" or others to think I agree with them or support what they have said - so I did post a rainbow/USA ribbon in support of Orlando. Maybe it will open their eyes a bit to see that not every middle-aged, middle-class white heterosexual in their newsfeed thinks the way they do. It feels too much like silent agreement if I don't make some kind of statement.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 15, 2016 2:29:48 GMT
I didn't post any thoughts or prayers or change my avatar or anything like that because I'm done. I shared a few memes or stories that spoke to my heart but I don't have anything specific left to say about what happened in Orlando to my greater FB feed because it won't change jack shit.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 15, 2016 3:30:06 GMT
I actually have only had one friend post anything. She lives in Orlando and has posted about being sad and she posted the pray for Orlando pic. Some others have made vague comments about being upset with people's posts, and I have had a few people share the post about being a gun owner and standing in line at a grocery store. I posted something this morning but deleted it. I am too angry and irritable about politics overall and specifically the responses to this tragedy and really just don't have the words to adequately express how I feel.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Jun 15, 2016 4:58:09 GMT
I think this one was so big that a lot of us are still processing it. I have seen many Facebook posts though, mostly about overcoming darkness with love.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 15, 2016 5:19:55 GMT
I'm not going to assume the worst of a person if they don't post something about the shooting or change their photo to a rainbow. I am judging the person who put up a cartoon describing Muslim beliefs in a demeaning way. I am judging the person who posted a photo of a plane going into the twin towers with the caption Do you see any firearms in this picture? No! Then shut your liberal facehole about gun control.
FTR, if something as derogatory about all gun owners being stupid was posted, I'd be judging them harshly as well.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Jun 15, 2016 11:22:29 GMT
it was indeed horrific. 99 percent of my FB friends posted something or posted one of the support symbols.
As far as what is happening now to ensure this might not happen again, most prevalent opinion is to get the assault weapons (guns of war) out of everyones hands.
I am very liberal, and the first thing I decided to do was to lend support where I could.
we have good friends who live in the area, and they are a married gay couple. I wanted to make sure they were not there (they weren't) and they posted that they are shaken. another friend who is married and gay works for a gay rights non profit, and they are doing what they can as well.
I am just there to support those that are affected (lots of people!) and to not get caught up in any hypervigilence
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Post by threecs on Jun 15, 2016 11:27:15 GMT
My FB feed is filled with anger over the Orlando shootings. Lots of links to petitions to ban assault weapons.
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Post by schizo319 on Jun 15, 2016 12:19:54 GMT
My 'friends' are pretty much divided down the middle. Half are posting about Orlando and the other half are posting about the second amendment <vomit>. There's a small group of folks I've lost all respect for since becoming 'friends' on Facebook. For the record, I just realized that haven't posted about Orlando directly (don't recall if I posted directly about Paris or other incidents), I did share a photo quote about doing good in the world amidst evil in reference to the situation. I think for me personally, I am numb and I have a lot of thoughts on the subject that I'm unable to form into one coherent post. |
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Jun 15, 2016 12:44:23 GMT
Since we are in close proximity, I've seen a lot of quotes, support, etc. A couple friends who are right there have been posting about ways to help, drop-off stations, counseling support, etc., etc.
I get the "slacktivism" and I'm definitely not saying there isn't that out there, nor do I think someone is "ignoring" the issue if they are not posting something. But please know there are a lot of us out there who are backing up their words with actions, and hoping that those posts are not just empty promises.
Call it naivete', but I'd like to think, at least in my circle, the ones who are posting, are truly doing so out of concern and want to help.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Jun 15, 2016 12:50:17 GMT
I'm not going to assume the worst of a person if they don't post something about the shooting or change their photo to a rainbow. I am judging the person who put up a cartoon describing Muslim beliefs in a demeaning way. I am judging the person who posted a photo of a plane going into the twin towers with the caption Do you see any firearms in this picture? No! Then shut your liberal facehole about gun control. FTR, if something as derogatory about all gun owners being stupid was posted, I'd be judging them harshly as well. Yeah, I'm sure there's plenty of that going on too, but most of those who would make those types of posts, I have hidden. |
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