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Post by mom on Jun 14, 2016 13:48:23 GMT
This is a s/o of the Orlando and How were you raised thread....
Have you noticed a different reaction from your friends to the Orlando shootings vs. other mass shootings in recent history? If so, why do you think this is? Is it because the victims (atleast some of them) were gay? Or is it because we have had so many mass shootings?
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I have noticed a difference in the way my social groups (lol, basically Facebook friends) have responded to the Orlando shootings.
When the shootings in Paris happened, my Facebook feed was blown up with the French flag, Pray for Paris...that sort of thing. With Sandy Hook, I saw the same thing. Anger. Outrage.
This time around, though? I am not seeing much at all. My gay friends have all posted something. A handful of friends (myself included) changed our profiles to the rainbow flag and posted something about it.
The majority of my Facebook friends, though, have said nothing and honestly? It disappoints me. The Christina Grimme murder got more out cry than the mass shooting on my Facebook feed.
Full disclosure: most of my Facebook friends are Christian.
So is this being ignored by some because of who the victims are?
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Post by scorpeao on Jun 14, 2016 13:49:16 GMT
I live in California so maybe that's the difference, but my friends have responded about the same as when the Paris attacks happened.
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Post by brina on Jun 14, 2016 13:50:36 GMT
My Facebook feed is blown up with grief and prayers for the victims in Orlando. Although many of my friends are christian they are still outraged over this mass murder.
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Post by raindancer on Jun 14, 2016 13:51:36 GMT
I have a mix of friends. It's been about the same.
After Paris and this attack I have not responded in any way on fb. I refuse to practice slactivism any longer. I'm making different and more meaningful choices and taking action to make change. I'm tired of the flash in the pan "Praying for__________" and changing profile pics in a country that has no desire nor willingness to do anything to stop this bullshit.
I'm over it. And I'm sorry for the victims of this senseless tragedy, but me feeling sad or praying won't fix it.
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Post by peano on Jun 14, 2016 14:00:32 GMT
No, but then I live in Newtown. We are trying to heal, but with each one of these, our wounds are ripped open yet again.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jun 14, 2016 14:13:16 GMT
I don't really think I've seen a difference in support offered. My FB feed had plenty of support in each major event. Some people post support, and some people don't. I don't think I have ever posted in response to a tragedy - it isn't what I enjoy on Facebook. I find composing the right post and expressing extreme emotion draining. I'm perfectly happy to look at pictures of your babies and maybe a dancing cat or monkey.
This is the first time that I have felt personally insulted or called out for choosing not to post. I feel that some of my Facebook friends are creating a us-vs-them situation where one doesn't exist. I didn't post about any other major world events either, and I refuse to be shamed into doing so now. I'm not sending a message through silence by not posting - I just prefer to grieve privately.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 14, 2016 14:21:49 GMT
I have never used my FB page to make statements regarding events going on in the world. Even events that are personal to me. My mother died on the kidney transplant list for example but I don't use FB to promote kidney disease awareness, organ donor awareness etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 14:25:32 GMT
Honestly? It's hard telling.
Just a couple days before the shooting, a man drove into a group of 9 bicyclists, killing 5 of them. About 30 minutes before it happened, his truck was reported in three different areas for erractic driving. The police were actually looking for him when the calls came in about the bicyclists. All weekend long, it was mostly #Kalamazoostrong (again) or Orlando. Certain people posted in support of both. I did find out one cousin agreed with a friend that posted a very hateful comment about gays AND Muslims.
Add in that today, there's a memorial ride happening that Lance Armstrong is leading for the 5 bicyclists and the Gordie Howe public visitation. Most people I know can't decide which they want to post about or change their profile pictures to. The ones that are supportive of the LGQT community have posted in support of Orlando. The hockey fans have changed their cover picture to Gordie. The few bicyclists I know have changed their picture to one of a chain making a heart or to the state of Michigan with a heart marking where Kalamazoo is.
The ones that I know that are indifferent towards the gay community are either silent or have posted more about the Kalamazoo bicyclists.
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Post by valleyview on Jun 14, 2016 14:27:57 GMT
I have wondered the same thing, but I do not believe that the reaction is different due to homophobia.
I think that we are gradually becoming immune to attacks. They almost seem inevitable. This is awful!!!
I believe that attacks at a mall, school, religious center, or sporting event seem more vicious than attacking a night club. Many were more outraged in Paris over the restaurant than the concert - and that was the same attack!
Lastly, and I HATE to think this, but the attack was in Florida. Florida has been the brunt of jokes over the last decade or so, it's suffered major hurricane destruction (why don't they move away?), and it just seems disconnected somehow to Middle America. (Who wears shorts and flip-flops all year?)
In this attack, it almost seems like we are blaming victims, not just because they were out living in the middle of the night, but where they were living. That is completely unfair, and our politicians need to fight violence in our country. The right to bear arms is supposed to protect us, not endanger us.
Addendum - I love Florida! I lived there twice. It has great weather and equally great people.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 14, 2016 14:31:52 GMT
If anything, I have noticed more of a reaction. Everyone, everywhere was talking about it. I don't do facebook, but my twitter was flooded with tweets of support.
But that could be a function of proximity too.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 14, 2016 14:47:35 GMT
Frankly, I saw more outrage on Facebook over that gorilla than I am seeing over this.
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Post by disneypal on Jun 14, 2016 14:51:22 GMT
My newsfeeds on FB is all about the Orlando massacre - that is the only thing that anyone is posting about - even from my friends/family from the other side of the globe. In fact there seems to more about this mass shooting than any other. Perhaps because of the large death toll
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 14, 2016 14:52:38 GMT
The reactions I'm seeing in life and on Facebook are more to the effect of "this is why we need our guns!" than anything else. The lack of huge Facebook response (changing profile pics, etc) I attribute more to us slowly becoming immune to these instances of violence. There seems to be a collective sigh of sadness and then we all just move on with our day.
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 14, 2016 14:55:39 GMT
No, I am seeing plenty of sympathy, support and outrage on my FB feeds.
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Post by Zee on Jun 14, 2016 14:56:01 GMT
I've seen the same response on my feed as in past times, except for Sandy Hook. I think it's normal for people to be just a bit more affected by the deaths of children.
In either case, I have a mix of conservative and liberal friends but I don't see tons of ugliness on my Facebook.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 14, 2016 14:58:34 GMT
My Facebook feed is blown up with grief and prayers for the victims in Orlando. Although many of my friends are christian they are still outraged over this mass murder.This sentence makes me very sad. The use of "although" and "still". My Facebook is filled with outrage and suggestions for concrete actions we can take and information about local meetings -- for prayer and for organizing to contact our senator -- and about interfaith services, etc.
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Post by jenjie on Jun 14, 2016 15:03:38 GMT
Interesting question. I was wondering where has been the support for Israel just last week? Even here on 2peas not many people commented about it. If you didn't because the thread title was inflammatory, how many times have there been multiple threads on a topic?
It was "only" four people killed but it was an act of terror and a much bigger percentage of their citizens than in France (Paris ) or USA (Orlando).
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Post by Linda on Jun 14, 2016 15:15:29 GMT
My FB feed has been really mixed - lots of support for Orlando but also a lot of pro-gun crap and more politics than I care for (Trump, Clinton responses to Orlando and opinions thereof). For the most part, my FB friends reacted the way I would expect them to based on previous postings/events.
I don't think (for the most part) the fact that the victims were from the LBGT community or the Hispanic/Latino community has factored into my FB feed as much as the fact that the shooter was Muslim did (or the fact that he used an 'assault' rifle)
I have a diverse group of FB friends and family though - US and international, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, agnostic, atheist, various racial backgrounds, etc...
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Post by anonrefugee on Jun 14, 2016 15:17:06 GMT
I haven't seen any ugliness, nor would I expect it from any of my friends, FB or otherwise.
The massacre of humans is appalling to caringc reasonable people, no matter their life or philosophical choices.
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Post by mom on Jun 14, 2016 15:22:39 GMT
Frankly, I saw more outrage on Facebook over that gorilla than I am seeing over this. Yes. This was my exact thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:36:29 GMT
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, but whatever.
I find the whole "change my profile picture" and "I support" or "#_________strong" thing to be a giant case of look at me.
Unless you are also accompanying that with donations or going to a location to provide on the ground assistance, they are nothing more than words. Words that most likely few that are affected will ever see because in the few days or weeks that you choose to display it to your friends, the real victims are far to busy to be browsing FB to see who stands with them. They feel like empty words and gestures to me.
I don't change my profile picture or post an update every time I send good thoughts, pray, support someone, or make a donation. I don't need to because it's not about me.
I think that those types of things are slactivism at its finest and are rarely accompanied by any real show of physical support.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jun 14, 2016 15:43:12 GMT
Frankly, I saw more outrage on Facebook over that gorilla than I am seeing over this. Yes. This was my exact thought. Yes for me I saw more posts about the Gorilla and Prince. I don't have a ton of FB friends so I am probably not a good one to ask lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 15:47:27 GMT
Interesting. I am finding the exact opposite of you mom. A lot of my FB friends are posting at least something in support of the gay community. And I would say 75% of them are conservative Christians. I'm really surprised by it honestly. But I think when it comes down to it, people are realizing this is a human crisis and we need to stand together regardless of lifestyle. That's what I want to believe. Maybe this latest attack will bring people closer together rather than divide us. I'm hoping anyway.
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Post by walkerdill on Jun 14, 2016 15:50:20 GMT
I'm seeing way more support for Orlando than any other recent tragedy. I also live in Florida & not far from Orlando & know lots of people this has affected.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jun 14, 2016 16:02:34 GMT
I've noticed about the same amount of support on social media, but I have noticed IRL my friends are having difficulty discussing it because it's just incomprehensible. Killing people, innocent young people who were out having fun, just because they're gay? And that many people. How can one person be so evil?
I don't think it's that people are immune because that implies it's not affecting them. I think this is just too much to bear and people are numb, maybe as a method of self-preservation.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 14, 2016 16:08:08 GMT
I've noticed about the same amount of support on social media, but I have noticed IRL my friends are having difficulty discussing it because it's just incomprehensible. Killing people, innocent young people who were out having fun, just because they're gay? And that many people. How can one person be so evil? I don't think it's that people are immune because that implies it's not affecting them. I think this is just too much to bear and people are numb, maybe as a method of self-preservation. I had to run up to the gas station the day it happened. The cashier, the people standing in line, the people all milling around pretty much all said the same thing to each other...'what kind of person kills FIFTY people?? What kind of evil is that??' Numb pretty much covers it.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jun 14, 2016 16:26:26 GMT
The reactions I'm seeing in life and on Facebook are more to the effect of "this is why we need our guns!" than anything else. The lack of huge Facebook response (changing profile pics, etc) I attribute more to us slowly becoming immune to these instances of violence. There seems to be a collective sigh of sadness and then we all just move on with our day. And mine is full of "this is why we need gun control." To the OP, I would say the reaction among my friends and coworkers is equal to other tragedies.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 14, 2016 16:44:39 GMT
I live in California so maybe that's the difference, but my friends have responded about the same as when the Paris attacks happened. I'm in Washington and have experienced the same thing, same as Paris. But I do have a broad mix of friends.
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Post by katlady on Jun 14, 2016 17:03:09 GMT
One thing I have noticed about the Orlando shooting is that more people on my FB feed are talking about God and religion (all religions) more than they did with the Paris shooting.
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Post by lovinlife on Jun 14, 2016 17:30:18 GMT
To be honest I think almost everyone I know thinks the shooting is horrific. It has nothing to do with it was at a gay club but that someone went in there and slaughtered these poor people. It feels like almost every week there is another shooting. It just needs to stop.
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