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Post by supersoda on Jun 14, 2016 16:26:32 GMT
14 y.o. DD came out to us last night. I think the Orlando shooting is what prompted her to tell us. It is really weighing heavily on her.
We weren't surprised and just hugged her and told her that we didn't care at all, that she was the same kid we've always loved and nothing changes that. We just want her to be safe and happy.
So now what? How do I support her? How do we ease her fears about a massacre targeting people like her? How to we ease her fears about telling our very conservative and largely homophobic extended family? She is scared right now, and my inner mama bear just wants to do everything possible to protect her.
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Post by freebird on Jun 14, 2016 16:38:34 GMT
What would I do? Nothing. I'd treat them how I always treated them. You still want all the same things for your daughter you did before - education, happiness, family, love. She'll still get all of those things.
As for being gay, I doubt there's been a better time in the history of man to be gay. I know that'll rile people up probably, but think about it, when has humanity ever been more accepting of gay people than right now. Things seem bad at times, but they'll only get better.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 14, 2016 16:39:18 GMT
In my experience, young people who are coming out really internalize this stuff and find it scary. I think a valuable message is I love you, you are always safe with me, and I will do anything I can to make your world safe for you in any way I can.
I wish I had known many years ago that people say all kinds of crappy things and it's a reflection on them, not a reflection on me or people like me. I'm glad the Internet didn't exist when I was 14 and questioning my sexual orientation.
ETA that I think there is no need to inform extended family at this time. She will know when the right time comes. She may one day feel that she wants everyone to know the full truth about her and she may decide it is personal and she doesn't care to discuss it for now. This is fine.
NB: I identify as queer (that's my word at this point in time, although there were times I was more comfortable with gay or bisexual as a descriptor) and have been out for 26 years. I live a happy and productive life and am in a satisfying relationship - which is what I would want for my child in any circumstance so I think all that angst I went through was worth it.
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Post by mom on Jun 14, 2016 16:39:23 GMT
This came across my news feed...its from Glennon Doyle Melton. Maybe this can help? Hugs, Mama. Just love her. Link
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Post by ilikepink on Jun 14, 2016 16:39:44 GMT
No advise, but hugs. Just love your child.
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Post by carhoch on Jun 14, 2016 16:47:38 GMT
Your daughter is lucky she has great parents who accept her like exactly the way she is .
Keep the conversation open I think that's all we can do as parents Bad thing happen to good people and that's just the reality sometime .
And for your extended family I can just tell you what I would do,I would warn them that my child is my priority and that I would not tolerate any kind of negative comment and remind them that she is the same person she was last week if they cannot be polite respectful and accepting of her I would severed all contact .
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Post by mellowyellow on Jun 14, 2016 16:49:08 GMT
What would I do? Nothing. I'd treat them how I always treated them. You still want all the same things for your daughter you did before - education, happiness, family, love. She'll still get all of those things. As for being gay, I doubt there's been a better time in the history of man to be gay. I know that'll rile people up probably, but think about it, when has humanity ever been more accepting of gay people than right now. Things seem bad at times, but they'll only get better. I agree with freebird and would do the same. Your dd is still the same person. Just give her lots of extra love and hugs as she figures this all out. Being a teenager is hard enough without all the judgmental crap others inflict. As far as the extended family....I personally think it's none of their business. I don't think she needs to make a declaration of her sexuality to anybody. Cudos to you and dh that she felt comfortable enough to come to you. She sounds like an amazing young lady. Good luck and big hugs!
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Post by heartland on Jun 14, 2016 17:10:16 GMT
No advice here, just plenty of (((hugs))) for you and your dd.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 14, 2016 17:13:06 GMT
It's sounds like your initial response to your DD was perfect supersoda. I agree with others that no statement needs to be made to extended family right now, but I would absolutely start a subtle campaign to challenge any homophobic remarks, statements, FB posts, etc., coming from extended family. Set the groundwork now so that when your DD is ready to come out to other family members or is in a relationship, attitudes will have already shifted to accepting. You will find out who else in your family is truly bigoted vs those already leaning to be more tolerant pretty quickly. I would look to community resources and others that have been there before me for help. Find the nearest LGBTQ resource center and ask them for tips and support.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jun 14, 2016 17:19:49 GMT
secondlife, good advice. I'm straight and glad social media wasn't around when I was a kid, teen or twenties!
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Post by lovinlife on Jun 14, 2016 17:22:46 GMT
I think your response to your dd was great.
I think lots of young people right now are worried about the violence. My dd and niece have been talking about how out of control the world seems. We can't stop living and shouldn't live in fear. We need to find out the why so we can start making changes.
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Post by PaperAngel on Jun 14, 2016 17:25:01 GMT
[Disclaimer: I have no first-hand experience as a non-heterosexual person or parent of a non-heterosexual person.] My advice is to do nothing differently. Show her through your words & actions that her sexual orientation doesn't change anything (e.g. daily routine, interactions with others, concerns, expectations, goals). Explain that people are prejudiced against others for numerous reasons (e.g. weight, height, skin color, heritage, religion, sexual orientation, income, group memberships), & no one should live his/her life in fear someone may not like or want to harm him/her. Unless announcing sexuality to extended family is customary/tradition/ceremonial, it can be addressed when she's older & brings a date to extended family events. Hope she has a great summer!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:27:59 GMT
Nothing else is needed. Just love her as you always loved her. Any time she's feeling scared, down, worried, just tell her you love her and she is always safe with you. As a teenager, straight or gay, that's what they need - knowledge that their parents will always love them and are their safe place.
As for the extended family, why is there a need for any sort of statement? When you hear comments against the LGQT community in general, don't be afraid to call them out on it. When it becomes public knowledge, tell them if you cannot be polite to my child, I have no further need for you in my life. I would say that to anyone who is rude or nasty to my child no matter what.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jun 14, 2016 17:31:31 GMT
Just continue on w/your household, business as usual. If she's scared about being attacked just reassure her that hatred exists everywhere and she's safe now. Remind her that she has a lot of support and that she is going to have a good life. Keep reassuring her. She is being true to herself and that's what matters.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 14, 2016 17:38:42 GMT
14 y.o. DD came out to us last night. I think the Orlando shooting is what prompted her to tell us. It is really weighing heavily on her. We weren't surprised and just hugged her and told her that we didn't care at all, that she was the same kid we've always loved and nothing changes that. We just want her to be safe and happy. So now what? How do I support her? How do we ease her fears about a massacre targeting people like her? How to we ease her fears about telling our very conservative and largely homophobic extended family? She is scared right now, and my inner mama bear just wants to do everything possible to protect her. Now what?Nothing changes. You love her, just as always. How do you support her? Take her lead. If she's telling you about a girl she's crushing on, listen. Ask her if she wants to join an LGBT alliance. I would minimize her fears about a massacre targeting "people like her." Bad things, terrible atrocities happen all over the country (world) all the time. You and she cannot live in fear. You teach her how to keep her eyes open in an emergency shooting/hostage situation, just like you would if a school shooting happened recently and she was afraid. She keeps quiet, finds a route to escape. If she can't escape, she hides. She lets no one hold her back, and she protects herself first and foremost. How to we ease her fears about telling our very conservative and largely homophobic extended family?Tell her that you stand beside her. You stand with her 100%. And mean it. If anyone of your family says anything against her, they are not welcome in your home. Always choose her first. Grandpa doesn't like gays and can't be supportive of your dd? He isn't invited to Christmas, Thanksgiving, or Easter brunch. And be vocal in standing up for her. If Aunt Sally says something against her, you tell Sally then and there that you do not tolerate hate in your home, and she is unwelcome. Be your dd's strength in this, as you would in anything else. If you go to a church that condemns gays, find an accepting church. You need to align yourself with those who are open to the LGBT community. And (((hugs)))) mom. Your dd is no different than she ever was. Signed, Mom of a gender-fluid bisexual daughter.
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Post by pb on Jun 14, 2016 17:44:18 GMT
PFLAG is an organization that offers a lot of support from their webpage to chapters and support groups in various cities.
Please give your daughter a hug from me. And kudos to her for coming forward and seeking support. Kudos for you for being such a good mom.
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Post by mommaho on Jun 14, 2016 18:24:06 GMT
What would I do? Nothing. I'd treat them how I always treated them. You still want all the same things for your daughter you did before - education, happiness, family, love. She'll still get all of those things. As for being gay, I doubt there's been a better time in the history of man to be gay. I know that'll rile people up probably, but think about it, when has humanity ever been more accepting of gay people than right now. Things seem bad at times, but they'll only get better. I couldn't have said it better! Just love her!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 14, 2016 18:29:42 GMT
Talk to her. You want to know how to support her? Ask.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 14, 2016 18:37:52 GMT
Do you know any older gay people? I know my friend (who waited to come out until after college due to a very anti-gay family) says that his "gay mom" really helped him.
He described her as his go to for gay questions, a sounding board, a friend, a mentor. He believes it is important to have a gay mentor to help navigate.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 14, 2016 19:25:23 GMT
Please do NOT talk to your extended family about your daughter's private business. It is none of their business. Did everyone else in your family make a big announcement about their sexual orientation? If at some point someone questions you or your daughter just tell them you would much rather talk about their sex life and then ask them if they do it missionary or doggie style.
People who would pry are only interested in one thing, sex life. Whether a person is gay or straight their sex life is private and a minuscule part of who they are. Teach your daughter to shut those people down.
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Post by jameynz on Jun 14, 2016 19:39:03 GMT
Please do NOT talk to your extended family about your daughter's private business. It is none of their business. Did everyone else in your family make a big announcement about their sexual orientation? If at some point someone questions you or your daughter just tell them you would much rather talk about their sex life and then ask them if they do it missionary or doggie style. People who would pry are only interested in one thing, sex life. Whether a person is gay or straight their sex life is private and a minuscule part of who they are. Teach your daughter to shut those people down. Femalebusiness is right - in fact a lot of the above posters are right. My daughter, 13yrs just announced a month or so ago that she prefers females....and it is my fault according to my very homophobic DH. I wanted to send her to an all girls school. Yes, this makes it my fault. After a lot of tears and bitching BUT NOT IN FRONT OF HER OR AT HOME, I accept it. It is not my decision to make - it is hers. I was speaking to a friend just yesterday about the shooting in Orlando - which in turn made me talk about my DD - and we both came to the conclusion that other people are focusing on the sex side of being gay....not the person, but the sex. And that is wrong. People are still people - they laugh, cry, go to work, go to school, play sports etc...everything we all as humans do. But people focus only on the sex. (sorry, I am all over the show and rambling here....still trying to get my own head and thoughts in focus) OP - love your daughter - someone else said it - being a teenager is hard enough without any of the judgemental/crap side of things being thrown at her.
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Post by disneypal on Jun 14, 2016 19:45:54 GMT
14 y.o. DD came out to us last night. I think the Orlando shooting is what prompted her to tell us. It is really weighing heavily on her. We weren't surprised and just hugged her and told her that we didn't care at all, that she was the same kid we've always loved and nothing changes that. We just want her to be safe and happy. So now what? How do I support her? How do we ease her fears about a massacre targeting people like her? How to we ease her fears about telling our very conservative and largely homophobic extended family? She is scared right now, and my inner mama bear just wants to do everything possible to protect her. You handled it well so far....I don't think you can ease her fears about the Orlando shooting. That was one incident and unfortunately, I am sure in her lifetime she will see/hear about similar incidents and not just against gay people. I think all you can to is tell her you will do your best as her parent to protect her from harm. As far as your family, you don't have to tell them anything - frankly, it isn't any of their business. As she grows older and starts to date, if she wants to tell others or bring her date around, then let her. If the family has a problem with it, do just as you did with her. Tell them that she is the same kid you've always loved and always will love - it doesn't matter to you who she loves or dates as long as she is safe and happy. If they can't deal with it that is their problem, not yours or your daughters. I'm glad you are there for her. You must be great parents for her to feel okay with telling you.
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Post by mlynn on Jun 14, 2016 19:58:55 GMT
Ask yourself this...if she were hetero, would she be telling her very conservative and largely homophobic extended family?
Why would any 14 year old be discussing their sexuality with extended family members? I am in my 50's and have never discussed it with family members.
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Post by mikklynn on Jun 14, 2016 20:01:43 GMT
In my experience, young people who are coming out really internalize this stuff and find it scary. I think a valuable message is I love you, you are always safe with me, and I will do anything I can to make your world safe for you in any way I can. I wish I had known many years ago that people say all kinds of crappy things and it's a reflection on them, not a reflection on me or people like me. I'm glad the Internet didn't exist when I was 14 and questioning my sexual orientation. ETA that I think there is no need to inform extended family at this time. She will know when the right time comes. She may one day feel that she wants everyone to know the full truth about her and she may decide it is personal and she doesn't care to discuss it for now. This is fine. NB: I identify as queer (that's my word at this point in time, although there were times I was more comfortable with gay or bisexual as a descriptor) and have been out for 26 years. I live a happy and productive life and am in a satisfying relationship - which is what I would want for my child in any circumstance so I think all that angst I went through was worth it. Perfect.
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Post by cmhs on Jun 14, 2016 20:06:04 GMT
When DD17 came out to me as bi about 1 1/2 years ago, I told her we love her, same as always and that won't change. I advised her that it probably wouldn't be a great idea to announce it at the family Christmas party but other than that, we really sent her the message that it's no big deal -- you are who you are and that's awesome. ETA if she wants to tell extended family, we are there for her. I don't think anyone would have an issue with it and if they did, they know better than to tell me about it . Like others down thread have said, our sexuality isn't usually a topic of discussion at our family gatherings.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 14, 2016 20:07:33 GMT
You know, I get-but-don't-get the advice about being hands-off with the extended family. Maybe the OP's daughter WANTS the extended family to know (the original post can be read that way), and would appreciate help/support/guidance.
I know I've read in threads here that recently-out kids have wanted their relatives to know - both to avoid the infernal "So, do you have a boyfriend yet?" questions and also just because they want their relatives to understand WHO they are. There can be issues of identity involved, which is different than simply characterizing sexual orientation as "her sex life, so nobody's business."
I also think it's important to remember that there are gay teens who self-harm or fall victim to depression. Yes, lots of people are becoming way more tolerant, with legislation that reflects the growing tolerance. But as a parent, I would be aware of possible pitfalls and not necessarily adopt a hands-off attitude as a matter of course, unless that's what my child expressly wanted.
So, I would take my cues from my child, which involves more conversation, at least exploratory. Good luck, OP.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 14, 2016 20:11:36 GMT
My oldest is supposed to be marching for her school in a pride parade later this month, and the Orlando massacre really upset her. She has been out to us for a while, but only out more publicly for a bit. Our families are gay rights supportive, I have a married gay cousin, dh has a partnered lesbian cousin, and it's just not A Thing in our families. I am still letting her determine when and how and if she wants to talk to them about her romantic life.
One thing she has found helpful is connecting with people both at school via her gay/straight alliance and online who are not straight. Not because she isn't accepted by her peers -- we are fortunate to live in a place and at a time where among her peers at her school, this is just a non-issue -- but because when crap like Orlando happens, she can talk to other kids her own age who are having similar feelings.
I agree with people upthread that speaking up when relatives say homophobic things in front of her is something you can do to be helpful and make her feel less alone. That is a separate issue from whether or not you want to talk to relatives about her specifically.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 14, 2016 20:12:08 GMT
Ask yourself this...if she were hetero, would she be telling her very conservative and largely homophobic extended family? Why would any 14 year old be discussing their sexuality with extended family members? I am in my 50's and have never discussed it with family members. I can only speak for myself - but the reason I told anyone about my sexual orientation is because I found it very isolating not to. I felt that every time someone assumed I was heterosexual and commented about dating boys, or a date to the dance or whatever else, it made me feel that I as a person with an identity was invisible. Coming out is a form of truth telling that is so empowering - but there are times and circumstances where not doing it feels like lying by omission, because sexual orientation involves more than sex and who you want to have sex with.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 14, 2016 20:13:45 GMT
Ask yourself this...if she were hetero, would she be telling her very conservative and largely homophobic extended family? Why would any 14 year old be discussing their sexuality with extended family members? I am in my 50's and have never discussed it with family members. People are generally assumed to be straight. You would be surprised, if you were not straight, how many things people say to you on the assumption that you are straight. I agree that it is totally up to her whether or not she wants to talk to relatives about her romantic life at 14, or ever, but there is a reason that LGBT people make the decision to communicate their orientation when straight people do not.
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Post by supersoda on Jun 14, 2016 20:27:03 GMT
Well, we weren't really planning to make a big announcement to family, but one way or another they will figure it out eventually. I think she's ready to just be herself but she's afraid of the backlash.
DD said to me last night "what if everybody hates me?" Meaning family and more conservative friends and acquaintances at school. She's seen hatred first hand. She knows it's there. And I can run interference to an extent, but I can't protect her from everything.
So I guess my question was more about how do I teach her to deal with bigots and hate? How do I prepare her to respond and deal with losing friends who can't accept her?
I won't treat her differently, but others will. It may be the best time in history to be gay, but our community is not the best place to be gay.
Thanks for all the insight so far.
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