TankTop
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Post by TankTop on Jun 15, 2016 12:21:06 GMT
I am conducting some informal research.
Dh and I were discussing this last night. I have several female friends, but none that I would consider like a sister or particularly close.
I have two work friends who I am very close to at work, but it rarely translates to outside of work. We will sometimes go to Zumba or for a walk. I have one other female friend who I will go shopping with once or twice a year. I do not have friends who I share my inner most feelings and thoughts with. None that I would consider a sister or even hug for that matter.
Two of my work friends and I are taking an overnight trip this summer and I am getting all panicky and sweaty thinking about it. Not sure what to do with myself. Lol!
Dh thinks this is because I did not grow up with a mom, sister, aunts, cousins, etc.... No female relatives. He thinks I was never taught how to have a support system.
So, do you find this to be true with yourself or people you know? The lack of a mother/daughter relationship translating into a lack of adult female relationships?
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Post by bunnyhug on Jun 15, 2016 12:26:00 GMT
I have a mom and a sister, but I've never been someone who will share secrets or have a 'best friend'. I'm a classic introvert, and I like me, so too much people-ing completely drains me--I'd much rather be social in small chunks and spend my down time in solitude. That said, I have gone on many group vacations and made it through unscathed--I just try to steal little pockets of alone time where I can get them!
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 15, 2016 12:28:08 GMT
It's not true for me.
I was raised all my years with my mother, who is still very active in my life even today.
I don't have close relationships with women. Or men, to be fair.
I did when I was a teenager and in my early twenties, but after too many times getting burned by people who aren't as loyal as I am, I keep my distance.
I do have one close work friend who is a woman. I've never hung out with her outside work, but I think that has to do more with my having four children and wanting to spend my time that I'm not in work with them instead of with anyone else.
I do text with her occasionally, and have driven her home twice when she needed a ride from work.
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Post by Merge on Jun 15, 2016 12:30:02 GMT
I grew up with both a mother and a sister, and still don't have those kinds of super close relationships that other women seem to have. I have friends, and we do things together and have conversations, and support each other when one of us is going through a hard time. But that kind of share-everything, do everything together relationship? Nope. That's just not how I am.
Now I will say that in our friend group of four, two of the women have that kind of "sisters" relationship with each other. They spend way more time together than the four of us do as a group. And we're all totally fine with that.
I think it has more to do with just being a very private person and possibly with being an introvert. Particularly during the school year, I need my alone time too much to spend the kind of time it takes to build that kind of relationship.
My advice as someone who also gets panicky and sweaty at the thought of traveling with friends and spending that much time together? Don't overthink it. Just go and have fun. It will be fine.
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Post by mom on Jun 15, 2016 12:30:05 GMT
I have a mom and a sister, but I've never been someone who will share secrets or have a 'best friend'. I'm a classic introvert, and I like me, so too much people-ing completely drains me--I'd much rather be social in small chunks and spend my down time in solitude. That said, I have gone on many group vacations and made it through unscathed--I just try to steal little pockets of alone time where I can get them! This is me, perfectly. I will go on an away trip with friends, but I have to have some me time.
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Post by myboysnme on Jun 15, 2016 12:32:17 GMT
I grew up with a sister and 2 brothers. I am the oldest. I also have 3 half siblings. My sister and I do not speak. I have very distant relationships with all my other siblings. When I stopped trying with them I found what I expected - that no one would step up and do the work of trying to be a close family. We are not close and never will be and really never were.
My friend relationships are just like yours. Some close work friends but we don't do things away from work, a scrapbook friend that I go to conventions with.
I have had close best type friends in my life and sometimes I miss that. But it has been 25 years since I have had a friend like that where we call each other and constantly do things together.
In summary to answer your question, I do not think a person needs to grow up with others to develop close friendships, but I do think it is something that people work at and make it be something important even generationally. The people I know with super close familial relationships have always been that way and their parents were that way with their own families. I think that translates from close family relationships to close friendships. But just like there is one person you want to be married to (at a time, lol) you have to find that chemistry with a girlfriend and it can be very hard to do. Frankly I'm not all that motivated any more.
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 15, 2016 12:34:16 GMT
That's an interesting thought. Of the two people in my life who fit this scenario, one is a very close friend of mine and one is my MIL
The friend is very social and excels in the friend department for lack of a better explanation. Her support system was incredibly small but great support for her growing up. I don't see her struggling with female relationships and we're close enough for me to know something like that about her. I will say however that I value her friendship because she doesn't do the whole "girl drama" and pettiness thing.
My MIL just simply doesn't have a support system. I don't think she tries to at all or it isn't a priority for her. She really doesn't have a lot of friends. She spends most of her time with her two sisters but I have noticed an absolute inability for her to have relationships with her DILs. It's like she just doesn't "get it" for some reason. In her case (not alluding to you at all OP) she is incredibly spoiled and immature acting because she has always been treated like a princess by the men I her life. I think to some extent there is a sense of checks and balances among women and she doesn't seem to be able to negotiate that.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 15, 2016 12:42:35 GMT
I wonder if it goes the other way too? I have an extremely close relationship with my mother and am close to my aunts, sisters and cousins. I have a couple of good female friends, and enjoy spending time with them-but I think my family fills the needs I have for friendships and I don't feel like I am missing anything.
We do family vacations a lot-often all of us squeezing into hotel rooms in configurations that would likely horrify the peas-there was a thread here recently about how people wouldn't share rooms that surprised me. The only time we split up is if my dad will be there-he is very much an introvert and wants his space in a big way. But even then sometimes the little kids end up in their room.
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Post by Tamhugh on Jun 15, 2016 13:01:35 GMT
DH and I have a lot of very close friends. Only one of our siblings has the same thing. For us, we credit that to living away from family. We didn't have a support system locally and forged that with our friends (who were all in similar situations). The siblings who stayed geographically close to our parents or their in-laws seem to have focused all of their social attentions on family events and didn't "need" to form the kind of friendships we have. At times over the years, we have wished we had family living closer but we are also thankful for the friendships we formed by living away.
I do think that personalities play a big part in it and it isn't necessarily a good or bad thing to have those types of friendships. If you aren't comfortable with them, then it wouldn't benefit you. And that's okay.
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Post by scrappert on Jun 15, 2016 13:10:17 GMT
For me, as an introvert, I like my female friends and enjoy spending time with them, but I also really like to spend time at home. At this time I don't have that one friend I spend all my time with. I have co-workers, ex co-workers and college friends that I will spend time with - when we all have time. Sometimes I think that is part of the issue, too. TIME! And when I get together with them, we can share whatever is on our minds or hearts. I had a very close relationship with my mom. My sister and I live to far away to spend any time together, but when we do we have a great time. We do not talk daily to each other, maybe once a month! But we are close and can talk to each other about anything and everything.
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Post by bigbundt on Jun 15, 2016 13:15:55 GMT
I do think what type of relationship can have an impact on your future relationships. I grew up with a mom (no sisters) and our relationship is very superficial because she is manipulative and passive aggressive and full of grudges and holding things over my head and wanted to completely control my life. She has a hard time accepting that I make different decisions than she would. She has changed a lot in recent years but the damage is done. I don't trust her, I keep things with her very on the surface.
I do find that this translates to female relationships. I can be cordial and have a good time with women but I can never seem to make it over that line that goes into true friendship. I always hold myself back because if you can't trust your mom with your heart and who you are, why would a random stranger treat you any better?
If you are introverted (like I am) that is just another layer to this. Introverts don't necessarily look outwards for a support system and are sometimes made to feel guilty because they don't.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 15, 2016 13:16:21 GMT
Not true for me.
I have zero relationship with my mother. I think she's a horrible, toxic person and I only have contact with her when I'm trying to help my dad.
But I have lots of close female friends.
I just got back from a week at the beach with two friends. I have another friend with whom I take frequent trips to another beach.
My BFF is so close my DH and I call her "sister wife" and my kids call her "other mom".
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 15, 2016 13:22:32 GMT
In my answer above, I was thinking outside the idea of introvert and extrovert. My friend is an extrovert, my MIL is an introvert. Aside from that my MIL can't handle relationships with other *women.* She does much better with men. Now the answers have me contemplating make vs female and introvert vs extrovert.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 13:26:07 GMT
I have a Mom and sister. I am not close to either one. My sister and I are opposites. I just do not like my mother very much. She gossips, talks shit about everyone behind their backs, criticizes everything my sister and I does, etc. It doesn't matter what I do; there's always someone she knows who is doing it better than me. She tells me she doesn't want any more grandkids and then goes on to tell me all about someone else adopting a kid and how saintly they are for doing that, why aren't DH and I doing that? On and on and on....
I don't have any close friends. The ones I was close to long time ago betrayed my trust. A woman I thought I was "friends" with copied all of our online chats and shared them with my ex. Someone I had regarded to be more of a sister than my own sister told many many lies about me so that when I saw someone we both knew, they treated me like shit. She even faked a letter from me to her to show my ex and made him believe I was actually stalking her for a little bit there. I spent many years hearing fake sentiments that I no longer believe someone when they say they want to do something.
I believe my issues stem more from trust or lack thereof.
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Post by Mystie on Jun 15, 2016 13:34:48 GMT
I have a few good female friends but no super close relationships. I feel like I'm a little bit friendship-impaired. It certainly has to do with being an introvert, and I think not being "classically" feminine also affects it.
But I do have a very warm and close relationship with my mom, and a loving, but less close, relationship with my sister. And I have aunts, cousins and nieces I adore. So I don't think my friendship issues are tied to any female family issues.
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Post by Mystie on Jun 15, 2016 13:39:47 GMT
I wonder if it goes the other way too? I have an extremely close relationship with my mother and am close to my aunts, sisters and cousins. I have a couple of good female friends, and enjoy spending time with them-but I think my family fills the needs I have for friendships and I don't feel like I am missing anything. I think this is true to some extent for me. I love my friends, but my family fills my needs really well. Always has. I know many people create new families for themselves with friends, but I have always felt like my family was far more reliably in my court than any friend could be. Save
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Post by beachbum on Jun 15, 2016 13:46:37 GMT
I have a 'mother' - pretty much in name only. She gave birth to me and my brother because that was what was expected of her then, she doesn't like children (when I told her I was pregnant with my first child, her first grandchild, her first response was "I don't babysit, I don't like children"), such a narcissist. But I have several really close friends, one that I worked with that others say we share a brain. Even though I moved 800 miles away we are still close, texting or talking almost every day - her vacation was here last year with her family, and they are coming again next week. I find it easy to make friends, too. We moved to a town where we knew no one, a year and a half later we have a new set of friends and a very active social life - a group of about a dozen couples. Waiting now on 3 friends to show up for a beach day. I doubt my relationship (or lack of) with my mother had much to do with friendships, I think for me it comes from my dad, he was outgoing, giving, and easy to be with - I grew up as 'daddy's girl', I see him in myself quite often (he died in '87).
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Post by jennyap on Jun 15, 2016 13:54:43 GMT
I have no sisters, grew up with my Mum but we're not and never have been terribly close. I don't really have any close female friends like you describe either. I'm also an introvert.
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Post by scorpeao on Jun 15, 2016 13:58:11 GMT
I usually have about four girlfriends with whom I share my inner most thoughts/secrets. Two I've been friends with for 15+ years, and the other two just a few years. I also have four sisters and a mom with whom I'm somewhat close. That being said, the idea of vacationing with any of them for longer than two days makes me panic and break out in a cold sweat. I'm an introvert and need alone time!
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Post by librarylady on Jun 15, 2016 14:01:34 GMT
Interesting theory. There are so many variables that it would be hard to determine if it is a root cause or not (IMO).
I have some close female friendships, but I don't call those friends more than once per week at the most. My conversations are on the phone, not in person, these days. I have sisters with whom I am close, so I can't comment on your root causes.
I forget that I can have lunch with friends. My working years were spent in situations where leaving the building was forbidden (during work hours) and I just forget that I could go out to lunch--even now that I am retired.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 15, 2016 14:05:22 GMT
My mom is still alive but she is not an emotionally demonstrative person. Never said I love you or hugs or anything. I also have two older sisters (and two older brothers) but we are not close for the most part. Anyway, all that to say, I have few friends also. I think overall, it's hard to make friends as an adult. I don't meet anyone at work and my kids are older teens now, so no sports practices to meet at really.
I did try to connect with some band moms when my DD started about 5 years ago, but I found those friendships to be shallow at best and let them fade. I consider myself to be an extrovert while DH is an introvert but he's had good friends since childhood, college and even as an adult, has made some very close friends.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jun 15, 2016 14:09:02 GMT
Another who grew up in a home with a mom and a sister. I don't think you are right. I can echo what a lot have already said. I talk to mom often, not close to sister. I don't confide in a lot of people (including mom to a point.)
Maybe it's a trust thing, maybe it's part introvert, but I don't have overly close relationships with most people.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 15, 2016 14:20:32 GMT
I have 3 sisters and some friends. We occasionally do things, but I frequently turn them down. I get along fine with my mom, but she's never been the same since my father died. I put too much into friendships in my 20's. I was burned many times. Also, my life didn't turn out like I thought it would. It's not great at all. I don't care to try to maintain friendships it's too embarrassing and depressing. I can't fake it until I make it, so I choose to avoid people.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 15, 2016 16:10:32 GMT
I have a great relationship with my mom and didn't forge a real friendship with another girl until I was in high school, and she is my only really good girlfriend outside of my family. I grew up with an older brother and tend to have more friends who are guys, but I don't think it is some deep seeded personality trait, I just hung out with my brother friends and desperately wanted to be cool with the older kids, now we are adults and still friends.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 15, 2016 16:57:52 GMT
I grew up with 7 sisters and a mom I was close too. I have no friends who live near me that I would go on a girls weekend with.
When I moved to London it became difficult for me to keep in close contact with my sisters, and my Mom has since passed away. So I don't feel like I have that type of support system around me anymore.
I had it when I had my daughter in London, and when I go back I still keep in touch with those women, but no longer day to day stuff. When I lived in Cayman I had a great close knit support system, why I think I lost close touch with my own family. Now that I am back in the US I have lost the day to day stuff with those friends, though it is great to reconnect when we see each other.
So now I miss having a close, supportive network of women. I have found it really difficult here to create them. I assumed that I would reconnect with my own family... and that has proven to be difficult. Our first Christmas back in the US... no one could arrange for us to spend Christmas with them or wanted to come to us... I was shocked and hurt. They have got more used to having us around but it is not like it was 20 years ago.. hahaha.
I think it depends on a lot of factors and forming strong supportive networks depends as much on timing and location. I found when I needed it more, it was easier to find. Like when I had my daughter. I hadn't formed strong female friendships before she was born, but I found a great group of women who all had babies at the same time we all were looking for other Mums going through the same thing. We were very different but bonded over having little girls all at the same time.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Jun 15, 2016 17:37:32 GMT
No, I don't agree with your DH. I have two sisters, and I don't really have any super close female friends to speak of. Both of my sisters live far away from me so even though we communicate often, I don't see them much. I've just found that as the years go on, I am less and less comfortable sharing my innermost feelings with girlfriends, or even with my sisters.
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Post by TankTop on Jun 15, 2016 18:27:00 GMT
Thank you all so much for sharing.
I can't wait for dh and I to discuss this further. I like having new things to talk about with him that really aren't "trigger topics" for us. Kwim?
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 15, 2016 20:14:57 GMT
I had a great relationship with my mom and need girl time. I live in an all male house and need some estrogen around me. I am not girly at all, but I do need someone around me who sees things like I do once in awhile.
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Post by maryland on Jun 15, 2016 20:49:47 GMT
With my friends, the closeness to others more relates to the person herself, and not having a close female relative has nothing to do with it. I am much closer and tell more things to my close friends than I do to family. My friends don't "judge" or try to tell me what to do. They offer me support, etc.
I have a good relationship with my parents and brother, but I live 5 hrs. away, so don't see them often. My close friends and I talk all the time and share a lot about our lives and our kids. It's nice to know someone who has been through the same thing and can offer advice but not expect you to take it.
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