Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 16, 2016 14:16:58 GMT
This is my duh question of the day.
Why do some entities make such a big deal about guests using the wifi? What harm could it cause?
Our church has a guest wifi logo but that thing is guarded tighter than Ft Knox. The attitude is like the guests are going to use up the Internet and there isn't going to be enough to go around or something. Obviously joking but that's the attitude the office staff has when you ask for the password.
What are the reasons to be so selective/stingy/whatever with guests using your internet? I feel like I must be missing something.
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Post by AN on Jun 16, 2016 14:21:40 GMT
If they do something illegal on it, your organization may have some liability of you don't have the proper waiver click through or security in place.
Programs for security (blocking porn, etc) are expensive and often cost more the wider your usage needs are. You need an IT administrator to manage it, that costs money.
Many business accounts do have a specific limitation on amount of bandwidth they purchase and their speed either goes down or their cost goes up beyond that point.
Some organizations (like a church) may decide they don't want the distraction of wifi when members are there - if there is something urgent people can use cellular data, but they want people focusing on the message or activity, not internet.
It is an IT nightmare. Once you offer it, you get hundreds of questions about the pass code, problems logging on, etc. That costs money in staff or frustration among users.
People who are not members can drive up next to the building and use it, sometimes for nefarious purposes. Again, more IT overhead in preventing that.
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Post by oliquig on Jun 16, 2016 14:22:04 GMT
They probably have a cap on the amount of Wi-Fi, and have to pay more if they go over.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 16, 2016 14:24:03 GMT
Porn.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jun 16, 2016 14:24:15 GMT
Not everyone has unlimited wifi! Ask me... I get 15 gb a month to share among two phones, 2 iPads and my computer !
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Post by secondlife on Jun 16, 2016 14:24:48 GMT
We had open wifi at our church school and someone used it to skim a credit card number and charged thousands upon thousands of dollars of fraudulent charges to our business account.
We locked it down after that.
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Post by cbet on Jun 16, 2016 14:25:02 GMT
Actually, the more people on the wifi connection, the slower it works for everyone. So in a sense, they are "using up the Internet". Also, if you have a guest that downloads something illegal, it tracks back to your connection and you're the one that gets the naughty letter from your internet provider.
At our work, it's not really a big deal since most of the computers are wired and don't need wifi for the internet. The wifi is just for people's phones and some of the laptops and tablets that come in and out.
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 16, 2016 14:35:06 GMT
Thanks for answering my question.
I thought there was probably a reason why, but the admin assist can also be a little "off" in her reasoning. She continuously tells people she can't give them the church tax id number because it's "like the church's social security number" and it should be kept private. Ummm...not exactly.
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Post by jcmom04 on Jun 16, 2016 14:48:48 GMT
Thanks for answering my question. I thought there was probably a reason why, but the admin assist can also be a little "off" in her reasoning. She continuously tells people she can't give them the church tax id number because it's "like the church's social security number" and it should be kept private. Ummm...not exactly. I'm a private business owner and was told by my corporate lawyer to be "stingy" with my TaxID number because that is how corporate identity theft occurs. That was years ago... I just googled and found this on a "money" site ... (No idea how to post a link on my phone, sorry!) "You would think that since a business isn't a person, identity theft would not be an issue. However businesses do have an identity, and they can be victimized by an identity thief just like a person can. In fact a business even has its own Social Security number (called a Federal tax ID, Employer Identification Number, or EIN) that can be stolen by an identity thief, and make things miserable for a business owner. Corporate identity theft (or business identity theft) can close your business' doors and even come back personally if your business isn't structured to protect you from that risk."
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Post by kelly8875 on Jun 16, 2016 15:23:44 GMT
Thanks for answering my question. I thought there was probably a reason why, but the admin assist can also be a little "off" in her reasoning. She continuously tells people she can't give them the church tax id number because it's "like the church's social security number" and it should be kept private. Ummm...not exactly. No...exactly. A Tax ID number is exactly like the social security number for a business. It can be used to open bank accounts, credit cards, verification to lots of things. Businesses don't just hand out that number freely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 15:26:36 GMT
Our church tries to limit it to only people that need it. It does slow the Internet doped down and most people don't even realize they're connected on a Sunday morning because usually their phones automatically connect them.
We've had Sunday morning services where 40+ people are connected and our poor computer guy gets all the dirty looks when a video doesn't want to play well, lol.
I hate though that they change the password so often because inevitably not everyone gets the message and then our Sunday morning is thrown off because we can't connect for children's singing.
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Post by LeaP on Jun 16, 2016 15:42:28 GMT
They probably have a cap on the amount of Wi-Fi, and have to pay more if they go over. If it is a business account they generally have a certain amount of data. More data costs more money.
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Post by STBC on Jun 16, 2016 15:47:12 GMT
She continuously tells people she can't give them the church tax id number because it's "like the church's social security number" and it should be kept private. Ummm...not exactly. It really should be kept secure and only distributed on a "need to know" basis. There are, however, business reasons to submit the number on occasion.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Jun 16, 2016 17:20:53 GMT
It's also possible for someone willingly or unwillingly to download spyware or viruses that could corrupt your network.
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Post by annabella on Jun 16, 2016 17:36:11 GMT
Are talking about free wifi during Sunday services? Yeah no one needs it. They should be focused on the service. You can still post to instagram using your data.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 17:45:48 GMT
This is my duh question of the day. Why do some entities make such a big deal about guests using the wifi? What harm could it cause? Our church has a guest wifi logo but that thing is guarded tighter than Ft Knox. The attitude is like the guests are going to use up the Internet and there isn't going to be enough to go around or something. Obviously joking but that's the attitude the office staff has when you ask for the password. What are the reasons to be so selective/stingy/whatever with guests using your internet? I feel like I must be missing something. Our business software is reached via our internet and data is stored in the cloud.
We found that with streaming of music and videos/movies by members/customer drastically slowed down our business software to the point that we couldn't perform customer duties, run reports, etc.
In the end, we hardwired our business computers to a 2nd plugged in 'net and allow the wifi for our members/customers to use.
We don't limit sites, but could understand why some do.... because it might be hard to track who was using the wifi for nefarious purposes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 17:49:57 GMT
You may need to drastically re-think your opinion on how "off" the admin assistant actually is. Sounds like she knows her stuff but you've been on the "no" end and are upset about not getting your way.
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 16, 2016 21:07:12 GMT
You may need to drastically re-think your opinion on how "off" the admin assistant actually is. Sounds like she knows her stuff but you've been on the "no" end and are upset about not getting your way. You're making a lot of assumptions but that's not entirely unusual. I haven't personally needed the wifi password. It came up in conversation because we were doing a church wide study and each Sunday School class leader had to access something on the internet during the Sunday School hour. The admin didn't want to give out the wifi password. I honestly have no idea how the issue was resolved because I wasn't leading the class and didn't need to know. The study was delayed by two weeks and in the end they had access to the Internet in some way. I like the admin a lot but also happen to know disciplinary action has been taken because she refuses to facilitate certain things...such as the church-wide study because she was protecting the internet password and a significant setback for a huge outreach project because she refused to give the tax-Id number to the person who needed it. Those were specific examples and relate to a staff issue more than anything but it raised the question for me *why* people would restrict Wifi usage.
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 16, 2016 21:41:29 GMT
Thanks for answering my question. I thought there was probably a reason why, but the admin assist can also be a little "off" in her reasoning. She continuously tells people she can't give them the church tax id number because it's "like the church's social security number" and it should be kept private. Ummm...not exactly. No...exactly. A Tax ID number is exactly like the social security number for a business. It can be used to open bank accounts, credit cards, verification to lots of things. Businesses don't just hand out that number freely. That is how I always understood it as well.
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Jun 16, 2016 21:53:43 GMT
No...exactly. A Tax ID number is exactly like the social security number for a business. It can be used to open bank accounts, credit cards, verification to lots of things. Businesses don't just hand out that number freely. That is how I always understood it as well. My fault for not being more clear. I'm not saying she should post the tax id number for the world to see. Current procedure is that various ministries through the church set up their own accounts (for example) to buy supplies. When setting up the account, the tax id number is often needed. She refuses to provide the tax id number. She also refuses to set the accounts up herself so others won't need to have the tax id number. It kind of needs to be one way or the other. Either she takes care of it so there is no need to share the info or she has to share the info in some way so somebody else can set it up. Our last pastor blindly followed whatever she wanted and it caused major problems. This pastor is not doing that and is resolving issues by putting new procedures in place or refining old ones. When she refused to comply, there was disciplinary action taken. She is a lovely person. I like her a lot. She's hilariously funny and a heck of a photographer. But she also wasn't doing one very small part of her job. I didn't include that in my op because I didn't think all the detail was needed. My mistake.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jun 16, 2016 22:02:41 GMT
Would they be able to set up a guest password for others to use, or even a separate password for the Sunday school teachers? I don't know how it works, but we have separate ones for our school.
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