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Post by jackie on Aug 3, 2014 16:07:29 GMT
Merge and jackie - I appreciate your opinions. I am working very hard to overcome some of my parenting anxieties and loosen the reigns when it's appropriate. It's also a very good point to think about expecting him to go off to college & be successful living (more or less) independently at 17. Thanks. For the record though, the "loosen the reins" comment was to the pea who said she wouldn't even leave a 16-year-old alone for four hours. That seemed a bit much. Honestly, I understand being a little unsure with an 11-year-old. That's much younger and your uncertainty is understandable IMO. You know your own child though and if you think he would be fine and wouldn't be afraid or bored, then I say go for it. But I do agree that when we begin giving our kids trust and allowing them opportunities to be alone and do new things, we start the process of preparing them to be independent. Plus, I think it's a great idea that you want to share these different cities with your child. Sounds like so much fun. Good luck with your decision.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 3, 2014 16:29:31 GMT
I would probably have done it at 12 with my kids. Heck, I'd bet money on them still being asleep at 11 am, especially when they hit their growth sput. When we traveled in Europe, our kids had their own hotel room and DD was 14. So they were alone for 8-10 hours.
If your son likes the idea, try it. There are tons of staff around and the chances of anything happening are pretty slim. Just be sure to warn him how expensive room service is and to keep the door closed.
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Post by Yoki on Aug 3, 2014 16:38:43 GMT
I would probably have done it at 12 with my kids. Heck, I'd bet money on them still being asleep at 11 am, especially when they hit their growth sput. When we traveled in Europe, our kids had their own hotel room and DD was 14. So they were alone for 8-10 hours. If your son likes the idea, try it. There are tons of staff around and the chances of anything happening are pretty slim. Just be sure to warn him how expensive room service is and to keep the door closed. I hadn't even considered the implications of a teenage boy alone with access to room service!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 16:41:44 GMT
I wouldn't have much of a problem leaving an only child (assuming he is responsible in other ways) for a short period of time in a hotel room. But under the circumstances where you are traveling alone with him and running a race, I think that there's too large of a risk (no matter what age) that something happen to you and he would be left alone to try to deal with a medical emergency or worse.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 3, 2014 16:52:40 GMT
I would probably have done it at 12 with my kids. Heck, I'd bet money on them still being asleep at 11 am, especially when they hit their growth sput. When we traveled in Europe, our kids had their own hotel room and DD was 14. So they were alone for 8-10 hours. If your son likes the idea, try it. There are tons of staff around and the chances of anything happening are pretty slim. Just be sure to warn him how expensive room service is and to keep the door closed. I hadn't even considered the implications of a teenage boy alone with access to room service! Well there's the room service and then there's also the porn pay per view.
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Post by Merge on Aug 3, 2014 17:47:45 GMT
I hadn't even considered the implications of a teenage boy alone with access to room service! Well there's the room service and then there's also the porn pay per view. Two ways to handle this. One, tell your kid no room service or pay per view and remind them that anything they order will be itemized on your bill at check out. Presumably your kid is familiar with what happens at your house when he disobeys you and that is deterrent enough. Two, leave a note with the desk that you are simply not authorizing any charges from your room. They can disable PPV and instruct the kitchen. These things are easily solved. My 13 year old went on a school trip earlier this summer to Washington DC and New York. She stayed in a hotel room with three other middle school girls ages 11-13. There were 75 kids total on the trip. They managed their own room keys, met the behavior expectations the sponsor teachers laid out for them, went down and got breakfast on their own, etc. There were no complaints from other guests and most importantly, everyone returned safely. All of these kids spent whole nights in a hotel room without direct adult supervision!
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Post by Yoki on Aug 3, 2014 18:59:51 GMT
I hadn't even considered the implications of a teenage boy alone with access to room service! Well there's the room service and then there's also the porn pay per view. To paraphrase a character on a TV show I was just watching last night ... "Teenage boys are only thinking about two things. If they're not thinking about sex, they're hungry." I was actually just kidding about my kid and room service or PPV. I'm not naive enough to think that he wouldn't be tempted, but I also know that he wouldn't do it because I'd tell him that I'd know all about it when we checked out & had to pay for any "entertainment" he unwisely chose. (But it's good to know that you can tell the front desk to disable these options.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 19:09:13 GMT
To me there is a difference between a kid having their own room where there are parents/chaperones available right down the hall vs only hotel staff if he needed anything. Or kids having other kids that they know.
I'd say older than 11. I have a 14 year old and I would leave him for a shorter period of time, but he hates being alone for long unless he is at home in his room. I can't really imagine going somewhere that required a hotel and then leaving him for any real block of time unless we had been to that city/hotel multiple times and we were all familiar with it. An unfamiliar hotel and city, I am just not the type of parent to do it.
I would check with the race/hotel to see if they have any activities for spectators.
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Post by supersoda on Aug 3, 2014 21:12:56 GMT
A lot depends on neighborhood in which the hotel is located, and the security of the hotel. We just left our 13 y.o,'s on the room alone in Key West for a couple of hours at night while we did a ghost tour with the oldest. (One of them was injured and couldn't handle the walking.) They were happy to have the down time, and both the neighborhood and B&B we were staying in felt very safe. And we were never more than a mile away.
We've also left the two of them w/ 15 y.o, DD in hotels in D.C. and New Orleans. Again, the neighborhoods felt safe and those hotels were small with secured entrances and doormen. We weren't gone for more than a couple of hours and were never more than a mile or so away.
In your situation, I think a mature 11 y.o. would be ok in a secure hotel in a safe area. My kids would be sleeping most of that time, and watching tv or playing on their devices the rest. If he's not mature enough to be trusted not to order room service or porn, then he's not mature enough to handle it. My oldest would have been fine at 11. My twins needed a bit more time to mature. Also, my kids have always had a sister when left --never truly alone, and I think this makes a bit of difference.
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Post by Grom Pea on Aug 3, 2014 21:31:43 GMT
My son is only 2, but when I was in the 8th grade I stayed in a hotel room with other 8th graders with no adult supervision in the room, there were chaperones, but I don't think they visited us unless there was a problem. our school went to Washington DC and we had to be responsible to get to the bus on time, so I'd say by 13, unless your son had some sort of issues like he sneaks off, he should be fine. At that age I'd probably have slept in till you returned.
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Post by mom2emilytaryn on Aug 3, 2014 21:37:22 GMT
My 11 year old(12 in September) daughter stays HOME alone when needed for up to a few hours at a time, during the daytime. However, I would feel uncomfortable leaving her in a hotel room in a new place, and I think she would be nervous too. I agree with the person who asked about finding another runner / runner's family/friends that he could hang with to cheer you on. And most major hotels will have babysitting recommendations, or you can check with local sitting/nanny agencies to hire someone for just a few hours.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 21:38:23 GMT
I'm not opposed at all to 'latchkey kids' and this question has very similar tones. All the same, when I read your question all that runs through my head is the name Madeline McCain. I realize that's such a remote possibility and that she was soo much younger, but that's still where my head is going.
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Post by polz on Aug 3, 2014 22:00:28 GMT
We left DD in a hotel room while we went out to dinner when she was 13. She didn't want to come and was happy having soup in our room. She has a phone and knows how to use it. She did txt us during dinner and ask if we could bring her dessert back. She is resourceful like that.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Aug 4, 2014 3:15:47 GMT
We left DD 12 alone in our hotel room, several times, just last month... for the first time. We were at DS basketball tournament, and she was only interested in watching her brothers games. DH or I would just run her back to the hotel when she was ready.(3-5 minute drive) She played games on our iPad, Facetimed with her friends, edited photos she had taken on the trip, watched her cooking shows, and napped. She even pulled out some of the scrapbook stuff I brought, and started a mini album for the graffiti art she photographed the day before. She was very proud, and thankful, we trusted her enough to leave her in the room, and she took being responsible very seriously.
We do leave her alone at home, here and there, so she is already comfortable being alone. We also spend about 20 nights a year in various hotels, and have since she was 2. Hotel rooms are a familiar setting for her, and again, something she is comfortable in. I'm not sure if I would have been so quick to let her stay by herself so much, if she wasn't a seasoned traveler. Hotels are not a curious place for her, so we didn't worry about her exploring the grounds, or calling room service, or ordering movies. These are things we get to do all the time, together. Only you know your child. My DD 12 is more responsible and mature than my 44 year old sister. Sad, but true.
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Post by DinCA on Aug 4, 2014 6:58:51 GMT
For the hours you've listed, I would not leave my child/children. Four hours is too long to leave them unattended even if they are 16 years old. The older they get, the more trouble they are likely to get into. Yikes! Most 16 year-olds drive cars, hold part-time jobs, etc. Staying in a hotel room for hours in the morning seems mild in comparison. Yes, the older they are the more trouble they can get into, but at some times you just have to loosen the reins, trust that you've done the best you can and let them go a little. To each his own I suppose. As others have said, I think it depends on the kid and the situation. There is no magic age for such a thing, but if I had to pick one, 12 is what jumps out to me. With your 11-year old, as long as he is responsible and isn't scared being by himself, I think it sounds fine. My kids would enjoy sleeping in, watching whatever they wanted on TV, playing on their cell phones or portable game systems, reading, or drawing. I think four hours would fly by. My kids are grown but I would never expect them to stay in a hotel room for four hours unless they were asleep. What I was saying is that I think it's too long to ask ANY kids to stay in a room for four hours if they are awake. I have traveled many times with large groups of teenagers when my daughter was cheering competitively. I can tell you that they do not stay in their rooms for long if they are awake. The majority of them wanted to roam the hotel - and that is not okay - and many of them got into trouble. The point I was trying to make is that just because they are old enough to do things on their own, I wouldn't count on the majority of them staying put without parental supervision.
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Post by DinCA on Aug 4, 2014 7:10:42 GMT
Merge and jackie - I appreciate your opinions. I am working very hard to overcome some of my parenting anxieties and loosen the reigns when it's appropriate. It's also a very good point to think about expecting him to go off to college & be successful living (more or less) independently at 17. Thanks. For the record though, the "loosen the reins" comment was to the pea who said she wouldn't even leave a 16-year-old alone for four hours. That seemed a bit much. Honestly, I understand being a little unsure with an 11-year-old. That's much younger and your uncertainty is understandable IMO. You know your own child though and if you think he would be fine and wouldn't be afraid or bored, then I say go for it. But I do agree that when we begin giving our kids trust and allowing them opportunities to be alone and do new things, we start the process of preparing them to be independent. Plus, I think it's a great idea that you want to share these different cities with your child. Sounds like so much fun. Good luck with your decision. I'm standing by my statement that four hours is too long to expect any child to sit in a hotel room for four hours. As a matter of fact, the older they are, the less comfortable I would be. Frankly, I wouldn't take my kids anywhere and ask them to sit in the hotel room while I did something I wanted to do. But that's just me. Since the OP updated, I see that it's one older child who would be left behind. If she's comfortable with that, it's certainly not illegal. And if the child is okay being left behind, then I personally don't see a problem with it but I wouldn't leave two teenagers alone to their own devices. Would I ever do it, though? No.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 4, 2014 10:13:13 GMT
I have traveled many times with large groups of teenagers when my daughter was cheering competitively. I can tell you that they do not stay in their rooms for long if they are awake. The majority of them wanted to roam the hotel - and that is not okay - and many of them got into trouble. The point I was trying to make is that just because they are old enough to do things on their own, I wouldn't count on the majority of them staying put without parental supervision. Tell them to stay in the room. Most kids will sleep later than 7am. And if you tell them to stay in the room, they have food and entertainment, and you will be back by 11 am, surely they can manage to entertain themselves for an hour or two? They aren't with a group of kids and don't have a reason to roam the halls. And said child will be told NOT to roam the halls. If a kid is the type to disobey the rules, I wouldn't do it. But if the kid is capable of following one simple rule (stay in the room), I would bring him along.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Aug 4, 2014 14:22:44 GMT
Thanks. For the record though, the "loosen the reins" comment was to the pea who said she wouldn't even leave a 16-year-old alone for four hours. That seemed a bit much. Honestly, I understand being a little unsure with an 11-year-old. That's much younger and your uncertainty is understandable IMO. You know your own child though and if you think he would be fine and wouldn't be afraid or bored, then I say go for it. But I do agree that when we begin giving our kids trust and allowing them opportunities to be alone and do new things, we start the process of preparing them to be independent. Plus, I think it's a great idea that you want to share these different cities with your child. Sounds like so much fun. Good luck with your decision. I'm standing by my statement that four hours is too long to expect any child to sit in a hotel room for four hours. As a matter of fact, the older they are, the less comfortable I would be. Frankly, I wouldn't take my kids anywhere and ask them to sit in the hotel room while I did something I wanted to do. But that's just me. Since the OP updated, I see that it's one older child who would be left behind. If she's comfortable with that, it's certainly not illegal. And if the child is okay being left behind, then I personally don't see a problem with it but I wouldn't leave two teenagers alone to their own devices. Would I ever do it, though? No. My dd is perfectly fine being left for 4 hours, especially during those hours. She'd read, watch TV, do her nails, take a super long shower since she can't do that at home. She's responsible and independent. Not all teenagers get into trouble. In this case, with the OP being far from the hotel, I'm not sure if I would. I would worry about something happening to me and her having to deal with that.
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Post by giatocj on Aug 4, 2014 14:50:42 GMT
I think it all depends on the kid. My almost 15 year old grandson I would leave for those hours, no problem. His mother at that age?? No freaking way!! She was hell on two feet and VERY untrustworthy. Thank goodness she's grown out of that...for the most part
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Post by Merge on Aug 4, 2014 14:58:03 GMT
I'm standing by my statement that four hours is too long to expect any child to sit in a hotel room for four hours. As a matter of fact, the older they are, the less comfortable I would be. Frankly, I wouldn't take my kids anywhere and ask them to sit in the hotel room while I did something I wanted to do. But that's just me. Since the OP updated, I see that it's one older child who would be left behind. If she's comfortable with that, it's certainly not illegal. And if the child is okay being left behind, then I personally don't see a problem with it but I wouldn't leave two teenagers alone to their own devices. Would I ever do it, though? No. My dd is perfectly fine being left for 4 hours, especially during those hours. She'd read, watch TV, do her nails, take a super long shower since she can't do that at home. She's responsible and independent. Not all teenagers get into trouble. In this case, with the OP being far from the hotel, I'm not sure if I would. I would worry about something happening to me and her having to deal with that. Theoretically you could have a heart attack in the hotel pool right in front of her and she'd have to deal with that. It's probably statistically much more likely that one or both of you will be injured in a car crash on the way to or from the hotel while she is with you. Do you see where I'm going with this? If we let ourselves be controlled by all the things that "could" happen and never let our children out of our sight, instead of equipping our kids to deal with things in life, making sure they always know how to access their support network if mom or dad is not available, we raise a generation of people incapable of independent thought and decision-making skills. Sixteen or eighteen, when they're already driving or going off to college, is NOT the time to start learning those skills. Realistically, your child is in no more danger in a hotel room by himself than he would be by your side. Kids can be trusted with hotel room keys, with getting breakfast on their own, and with spending time in hotel public spaces without making a nuisance of themselves if you expect it of them and have taught them to expect it of themselves. If you've taught them that the world is to be feared and that they can't be trusted to make good decisions on their own, they'll probably prove you right.
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Post by bianca42 on Aug 4, 2014 15:08:21 GMT
IMO leaving them alone in a hotel room opens them up to an entirely new can of worms. Stuff they're not used to...stuff that they haven't had ingrained into their heads. For example, you can tell them to open the door for no one...but what if someone bangs on the door and yells "FIRE". Do they open it and risk having a creep hurt them or do they leave it closed and hope there's no fire? So IMO, 4 hrs is a long time to leave kids in an unfamiliar environment. I've actually been in a hotel as a teen-ager when there was a fire. It was a youth convention...so lots of kids and a few adults. The fire alarm went off while we were in our room on the 5th floor. The adult chaperone in my room (who happened to be my step-mother) said "It's just a fire drill" and never got out of the bed. I went to the stairs and could smell smoke in the stairwell. Thank goodness it was a dryer fire that was contained to the basement and nobody was hurt. So, I would wait until my children were old enough that I would feel comfortable with them evacuating the hotel on their own.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 5, 2014 19:55:31 GMT
My dd is perfectly fine being left for 4 hours, especially during those hours. She'd read, watch TV, do her nails, take a super long shower since she can't do that at home. She's responsible and independent. Not all teenagers get into trouble. In this case, with the OP being far from the hotel, I'm not sure if I would. I would worry about something happening to me and her having to deal with that. Theoretically you could have a heart attack in the hotel pool right in front of her and she'd have to deal with that. It's probably statistically much more likely that one or both of you will be injured in a car crash on the way to or from the hotel while she is with you. Do you see where I'm going with this? If we let ourselves be controlled by all the things that "could" happen and never let our children out of our sight, instead of equipping our kids to deal with things in life, making sure they always know how to access their support network if mom or dad is not available, we raise a generation of people incapable of independent thought and decision-making skills. Sixteen or eighteen, when they're already driving or going off to college, is NOT the time to start learning those skills. Realistically, your child is in no more danger in a hotel room by himself than he would be by your side. Kids can be trusted with hotel room keys, with getting breakfast on their own, and with spending time in hotel public spaces without making a nuisance of themselves if you expect it of them and have taught them to expect it of themselves. If you've taught them that the world is to be feared and that they can't be trusted to make good decisions on their own, they'll probably prove you right. Merge said it very well. Of course, there are some kids who just make poor decisions. But surely the vast majority of kids can be trusted to conduct themselves appropriately for four hours on a Saturday morning? When DS was 9, we were at the Baltimore Children's Museum and there was a fire in the McDonald's next door. There is a HUGE 3 story play structure the the middle of the building and for the first time ever, I let DS play out of my sight. He was with a friend, but when they herded all of us outside, the boys were nowhere to be seen, and I was not allowed to stay inside. The friend showed up, but not DS. I immediately went to an employee and told them DS had not come out. They put out a call and located him fast. It turns out that he was inside with an employee and he didn't want to leave because those were our rules--find Mom, don't leave the area. It it sounds scary, and it was. I'm not going to lie. But even at 9, an impulsive child like DS followed instructions. He knew he wasn't supposed to leave, but he knew a fire alarm was a big deal. He found an employee to help him when he didn't know what to do. It gave me a lot of faith that DS would do what he needed to do. I remind myself of that now that he's 17. He'll be at college in a year. I want him to figure this out before he's on his own.
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