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Post by mom on Jul 6, 2016 0:22:06 GMT
I'm suspect of anyone who brings up something for the first time 22 years after the fact and especially when the person they are accusing is in a high profile position. My thoughts exactly. And no, it wouldn't matter if they were Democrat, Republican, black, white, or blue.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 6, 2016 0:34:55 GMT
Ivana had reported that Trump raped/forcibly had sex with her.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 6, 2016 0:44:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 0:48:37 GMT
I wonder how many who are concerned about 22 years going by before this accusation came to light feel the same way about that not so Secret Service agent's book that just came out about the Clintons?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 6, 2016 0:58:43 GMT
I don't know anything about the book but I see filing a lawsuit/criminal charges as being much different than someone writing a gossip book for profit (which most books about celebrities are--for all I know maybe the guy liked the clintons). I do have to wonder about the woman who is the eyewitness--she says that her job was to recruit the girls and witnessed the "interactions" between Epstein, his guests and the girls. Does she risk being charged in this as well? Or has she already been charged?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 1:41:26 GMT
If 22 years is too long for some of you regarding an accusation against The Donald, how about we concentrate on The Donald's own words just today? He actually praised Saddam Hussein speaking at a rally in NC...WTF? He is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 6, 2016 17:15:44 GMT
If 22 years is too long for some of you regarding an accusation against The Donald, how about we concentrate on The Donald's own words just today? He actually praised Saddam Hussein speaking at a rally in NC...WTF? He is going to be the gift that keeps on giving. I was considering starting a thread on this. According to MSN it wasn't the first time, either.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 6, 2016 17:37:49 GMT
Wow. That is one powerful article. The allegations are awful, but even if untrue, this quote from him certainly doesn't do him any favors.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 6, 2016 18:23:21 GMT
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jul 6, 2016 18:32:46 GMT
What's really depressing is that this is the best our country has to offer; on both sides. It isn't. It is just that a bunch of ignorant people who originally thought they would just make a statement about the state of our political system have now taken over the political system. There are much better candidates out there, on both sides. Sadly, the general population can't see it and those who would get my vote don't want to deal with all the shit that is going on and I don't blame them.
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Post by katieanna on Jul 6, 2016 19:04:54 GMT
This would be the perfect election year to bring in a 3rd party candidate who could win the election...since there are so many people who are disgusted with both candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 19:26:43 GMT
Wow. That is one powerful article. The allegations are awful, but even if untrue, this quote from him certainly doesn't do him any favors.
That quote from Trump was also in the first article that miz linked. I was never going to vote for Trump, but the Clinton ties to Epstein have me seriously questioning whether I could live with myself if I cast a vote for Hillary. Crooked politicians are horrible enough, but enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders? Both candidates being all chummy with this guy is just too much.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 6, 2016 19:53:10 GMT
thank you for posting this... the whole thing reminds me a bit of the priest / child molestation thing, with the large time gap-- perhaps she was just too traumatized / scared to do anything about it at the time (since he allegedly mentioned another girl disappearing and that he was capable of having her entire family killed). The article also says that the defendant first filed the paperwork herself without the help of a lawyer, in April 2016. So it wasn't 'just now' that it came to light, it was a while ago. But that first suit was dismissed due to technical errors. She got a lawyer and re-filed in June. ETA: and I agree, the candidates we see in political elections are NOT (I hope not, anyway) 'the best our country has to offer' but the fact that political campaigns nowadays are so much about who you know, who you are, and how much $$$ you have, I believe there are a lot of people who really want to do good things for our country at the national political level but they just can't get there.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 6, 2016 20:01:48 GMT
Objectively speaking, there really isn't much of a difference in the accusations of rape against Bill Cosby when speaking of length of time between the accusation and the alleged rape. Collectively, people were very much willing to believe those accusations, so why not now? Is the only difference a very divisive political race?
Maybe this is true, or maybe it isn't, but most people were ready to say that the girls/women deserve to be believed until proven otherwise when it came to Bill Cosby and it seems that perhaps that same viewpoint should be allowed in this case as well.
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Post by peano on Jul 6, 2016 20:04:49 GMT
Wow. That is one powerful article. The allegations are awful, but even if untrue, this quote from him certainly doesn't do him any favors.
That quote from Trump was also in the first article that miz linked. I was never going to vote for Trump, but the Clinton ties to Epstein have me seriously questioning whether I could live with myself if I cast a vote for Hillary. Crooked politicians are horrible enough, but enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders? Both candidates being all chummy with this guy is just too much. I think this site must be all wonky because it seems there must have been a paragraph left out of your post. Because I didn't see anything up thread that said Hillary was friends with Epstein, riding on his plane and enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders. Seriously people, next you're going to blame her for the Nazi rise to power and the spread of the bubonic plague in the 14th century. Your self-righteous frothing at the mouth accompanied by faulty galactic-distance leaps in logic just makes you seem a little unstable.
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Post by Nink on Jul 6, 2016 20:16:08 GMT
I'm dumbfounded why so many of you believe that someone is not to be believed just because it happened 22 years ago. No one knows how they will deal with a sexual assault until they've had it done to them. Perhaps this gal wanted to just put it behind her and just try to get on with her life, until that is, one of the people who did it decided to run for President. Just maybe she thought that it was definitely something that needed to be addressed because of that. I don't know if Trump did or didn't, but I'm damn sure not about to disbelieve the victim simply because of the time stamp.
If I'm unwilling to crucify Trump until it all gets squared away, I'm not going to crucify the victim either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:19:26 GMT
That quote from Trump was also in the first article that miz linked. I was never going to vote for Trump, but the Clinton ties to Epstein have me seriously questioning whether I could live with myself if I cast a vote for Hillary. Crooked politicians are horrible enough, but enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders? Both candidates being all chummy with this guy is just too much. I think this site must be all wonky because it seems there must have been a paragraph left out of your post. Because I didn't see anything up thread that said Hillary was friends with Epstein, riding on his plane and enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders. Seriously people, next you're going to blame her for the Nazi rise to power and the spread of the bubonic plague in the 14th century. Your self-righteous frothing at the mouth accompanied by faulty galactic-distance leaps in logic just makes you seem a little unstable. Edited because I'm not going to let you goad me into the same kind of personal attacks you made with your post. I never said that I thought Hillary herself was enabling a pedophile. If my words implied that, then I was expressing myself poorly. I keep looking for a reason to vote for Hillary-ANY reason. I'm coming up empty, and every time I turn around, she's just either involved with (extreme carelessness with her emails) or on the periphery of really nasty shit (her husband being chummy with a known pedophile). She's got Bill campaigning for her. It's a safe bet she'll have him involved in her administration. I'm not ok with that. I've been looking for a reason not to vote third party because of all the "your vote will just help Trump" hysteria about voting third party. But you know what? I have limits to what I'm willing to put up with from ANY political party. If I decide that I can't live with myself if I vote for Hillary, that's on the Democratic Party. There were plenty of other decent, viable candidates they could have gotten behind. If they'd rather play insider games and favorites, no matter how dirty someone is, that's on them and the people who will support it. Don't call me self-righteous, frothy and mentally unstable because you don't agree. That kind of tantrum just isn't ok.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 6, 2016 20:21:39 GMT
I think this site must be all wonky because it seems there must have been a paragraph left out of your post. Because I didn't see anything up thread that said Hillary was friends with Epstein, riding on his plane and enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders. Seriously people, next you're going to blame her for the Nazi rise to power and the spread of the bubonic plague in the 14th century. Your self-righteous frothing at the mouth accompanied by faulty galactic-distance leaps in logic just makes you seem a little unstable. Hillary has said that if elected, her husband would be part of the administration. That worries me if it's true. As far as the Epstein/Bill Clinton/Trump accusations, I need more time to read into what is being said about all of them.
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Post by katieanna on Jul 6, 2016 20:25:43 GMT
OK how can you not care if it's true? You'd vote for a rapist then? Do not even get me started. It's clear in this country that some people are above the law. Regardless of who we vote for, we're electing a crook. You got that right.
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Post by katieanna on Jul 6, 2016 20:34:47 GMT
That article was interesting, MizIndependent , but I'm wondering if you have any sources on Epstein being a known pedophile? That quote from Trump about them both loving beautiful, young women was pretty skeevy, though. I didn't see the quote and I'm certainly no Trump fan, however - I would say that there are very few men who don't "love beautiful, young women", unless they're gay.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 6, 2016 20:37:14 GMT
That quote from Trump was also in the first article that miz linked. I was never going to vote for Trump, but the Clinton ties to Epstein have me seriously questioning whether I could live with myself if I cast a vote for Hillary. Crooked politicians are horrible enough, but enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders? Both candidates being all chummy with this guy is just too much. I think this site must be all wonky because it seems there must have been a paragraph left out of your post. Because I didn't see anything up thread that said Hillary was friends with Epstein, riding on his plane and enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders. Seriously people, next you're going to blame her for the Nazi rise to power and the spread of the bubonic plague in the 14th century. Your self-righteous frothing at the mouth accompanied by faulty galactic-distance leaps in logic just makes you seem a little unstable. I'm gonna agree with lillypie on this one (except the last sentence!!) It's a stretch to say that Hillary enabled and covered up--all baseless and assumptions on your part.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:37:43 GMT
That article was interesting, MizIndependent , but I'm wondering if you have any sources on Epstein being a known pedophile? That quote from Trump about them both loving beautiful, young women was pretty skeevy, though. I didn't see the quote and I'm certainly no Trump fan, however - I would say that there are very few men who don't "love beautiful, young women", unless they're gay. I don't disagree at all. I still think Trump, and his quote, are skeevy.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 6, 2016 21:08:40 GMT
That article was interesting, MizIndependent , but I'm wondering if you have any sources on Epstein being a known pedophile? That quote from Trump about them both loving beautiful, young women was pretty skeevy, though. I didn't see the quote and I'm certainly no Trump fan, however - I would say that there are very few men who don't "love beautiful, young women", unless they're gay. Please go read the articles. The quote takes on a whole new meaning.
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 6, 2016 21:10:43 GMT
This would be the perfect election year to bring in a 3rd party candidate who could win the election...since there are so many people who are disgusted with both candidates. This is what I'm having trouble understanding. It seems such a clear solution to us, but why in the heck aren't the folks that could actually pull off running for that third party not jumping in there? I don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 21:29:41 GMT
I think this site must be all wonky because it seems there must have been a paragraph left out of your post. Because I didn't see anything up thread that said Hillary was friends with Epstein, riding on his plane and enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders. Seriously people, next you're going to blame her for the Nazi rise to power and the spread of the bubonic plague in the 14th century. Your self-righteous frothing at the mouth accompanied by faulty galactic-distance leaps in logic just makes you seem a little unstable. I'm gonna agree with lillypie on this one (except the last sentence!!) It's a stretch to say that Hillary enabled and covered up--all baseless and assumptions on your part. At the very least, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Monica Lewinsky will say it's not baseless that Hillary was covering up for a sexual offender. Disclaimer: that isn't defending Trump in any way, shape or form.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 6, 2016 21:44:02 GMT
This would be the perfect election year to bring in a 3rd party candidate who could win the election...since there are so many people who are disgusted with both candidates. This is what I'm having trouble understanding. It seems such a clear solution to us, but why in the heck aren't the folks that could actually pull off running for that third party not jumping in there? I don't get it. For one thing, it's way too late. In order to get on the ballot in some states you would have had to have thrown your hat into the ring by something like mid-March, if memory serves. Some states require petitions with large numbers of signatures and so forth.
The only way to get on the ballot at this point is to be a convention "spoiler" somehow. There are still backroom maneuverings going on to try to displace Trump. But with the large number of votes he received in the primaries, doing anything like that would be really dicey.
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Post by peano on Jul 6, 2016 22:03:20 GMT
I think this site must be all wonky because it seems there must have been a paragraph left out of your post. Because I didn't see anything up thread that said Hillary was friends with Epstein, riding on his plane and enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders. Seriously people, next you're going to blame her for the Nazi rise to power and the spread of the bubonic plague in the 14th century. Your self-righteous frothing at the mouth accompanied by faulty galactic-distance leaps in logic just makes you seem a little unstable. Edited because I'm not going to let you goad me into the same kind of personal attacks you made with your post. I never said that I thought Hillary herself was enabling a pedophile. If my words implied that, then I was expressing myself poorly. I keep looking for a reason to vote for Hillary-ANY reason. I'm coming up empty, and every time I turn around, she's just either involved with (extreme carelessness with her emails) or on the periphery of really nasty shit (her husband being chummy with a known pedophile). She's got Bill campaigning for her. It's a safe bet she'll have him involved in her administration. I'm not ok with that. I've been looking for a reason not to vote third party because of all the "your vote will just help Trump" hysteria about voting third party. But you know what? I have limits to what I'm willing to put up with from ANY political party. If I decide that I can't live with myself if I vote for Hillary, that's on the Democratic Party. There were plenty of other decent, viable candidates they could have gotten behind. If they'd rather play insider games and favorites, no matter how dirty someone is, that's on them and the people who will support it. Don't call me self-righteous, frothy and mentally unstable because you don't agree. That kind of tantrum just isn't ok. ilovecookies, I apologize for my last sentence in my post. I agree it was not OK. I have been laid up with illness and injury for nearly two weeks now and the lack of exercise is making me feel edgy and irritable and it was not right to take it out on you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 22:31:53 GMT
Edited because I'm not going to let you goad me into the same kind of personal attacks you made with your post. I never said that I thought Hillary herself was enabling a pedophile. If my words implied that, then I was expressing myself poorly. I keep looking for a reason to vote for Hillary-ANY reason. I'm coming up empty, and every time I turn around, she's just either involved with (extreme carelessness with her emails) or on the periphery of really nasty shit (her husband being chummy with a known pedophile). She's got Bill campaigning for her. It's a safe bet she'll have him involved in her administration. I'm not ok with that. I've been looking for a reason not to vote third party because of all the "your vote will just help Trump" hysteria about voting third party. But you know what? I have limits to what I'm willing to put up with from ANY political party. If I decide that I can't live with myself if I vote for Hillary, that's on the Democratic Party. There were plenty of other decent, viable candidates they could have gotten behind. If they'd rather play insider games and favorites, no matter how dirty someone is, that's on them and the people who will support it. Don't call me self-righteous, frothy and mentally unstable because you don't agree. That kind of tantrum just isn't ok. ilovecookies, I apologize for my last sentence in my post. I agree it was not OK. I have been laid up with illness and injury for nearly two weeks now and the lack of exercise is making me feel edgy and irritable and it was not right to take it out on you. Thank you, peano. I get the frustration, I really do. I think we're all feeling it. I do hope that you are feeling better soon-both illness and injury-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 22:36:23 GMT
This is what I'm having trouble understanding. It seems such a clear solution to us, but why in the heck aren't the folks that could actually pull off running for that third party not jumping in there? I don't get it. For one thing, it's way too late. In order to get on the ballot in some states you would have had to have thrown your hat into the ring by something like mid-March, if memory serves. Some states require petitions with large numbers of signatures and so forth.
The only way to get on the ballot at this point is to be a convention "spoiler" somehow. There are still backroom maneuverings going on to try to displace Trump. But with the large number of votes he received in the primaries, doing anything like that would be really dicey.
On this subject, I've been looking trying to find out what the ballot in my state will look like, and who will be on it. I'd really like to know if any third party candidates will appear. So far, I haven't been able to find that info. I do think that it's wrong that some states can exclude third-party and/or independent candidates Another thing about the current system that needs to be changed.
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