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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 6, 2016 22:40:44 GMT
Because at this stage of the game, I don't care. I don't believe the victim and if it's true, I still don't care. I know that makes me a rotten person but today, I just don't care. Wow. SaveSave
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 6, 2016 22:41:40 GMT
This is what I'm having trouble understanding. It seems such a clear solution to us, but why in the heck aren't the folks that could actually pull off running for that third party not jumping in there? I don't get it. For one thing, it's way too late. In order to get on the ballot in some states you would have had to have thrown your hat into the ring by something like mid-March, if memory serves. Some states require petitions with large numbers of signatures and so forth.
The only way to get on the ballot at this point is to be a convention "spoiler" somehow. There are still backroom maneuverings going on to try to displace Trump. But with the large number of votes he received in the primaries, doing anything like that would be really dicey.
Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that but it does make sense. I would imagine that back in March nobody actually though this could happen.
I'm intrigued by the convention spoiler options. Do you know any details? I've been secretly hoping it would happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 22:50:26 GMT
Has this been on other news outlets/sites? I have not heard it before. I don't know if it is a matter of people not caring or people just not knowing (Although I doubt those who love Trump would believe it to be true anyway). Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if it was true (along with the other allegations reported in the article linked above). His personality is such that I imagine he thinks he can do what he wants with whoever he wants, when he wants. Kind of like Bill and Hillary.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 6, 2016 23:05:11 GMT
I'm intrigued by the convention spoiler options. Do you know any details? I've been secretly hoping it would happen. Not really, when passing through the living room while the news was on, something about delegates suing so they didn't have to honor their commitment to vote the way their district or state voted and vote their personal preference instead. Probably another scheme by Bill Kristol, whom I see as the quintessential Washington elite and part of the "we know what's best for you" crowd. I guess the primary season taught him nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 23:07:32 GMT
I did find out that my state recognizes the Libertarian and Green Parties, so those candidates should be on the ballot. Also found this: Independent candidates An independent candidate for president may obtain ballot access by filing with the state election commission a petition containing the signatures of at least 5 percent of the state's registered voters, to a maximum of 10,000 signatures. The petition must be submitted no later than July 15 in the year of the election.[20][21] HIGHLIGHTS An independent presidential candidate in 2016 would need to collect 10,000 signatures in South Carolina in order to get on the ballot.[22] "Sore loser" laws See also: "Sore loser" laws for presidential candidates Some states bar candidates who sought, but failed, to secure the nomination of a political party from running as independents in the general election. These restrictions are sometimes called "sore loser" laws. Under South Carolina state law, an unsuccessful primary candidate cannot campaign for any office in the ensuing general election.[23][24][25] Ballot access expert Richard Winger has argued that, generally speaking, "sore loser laws have been construed not to apply to presidential primaries." His analysis of state sore loser laws and their applicability in presidential elections can be accessed here.[26] Write-in requirements South Carolina does not permit write-in votes for president. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Found the info on Ballotpedia if anyone else is interested in looking things up for their state. Ballotpedia
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Post by flute4peace on Jul 6, 2016 23:25:39 GMT
I'm intrigued by the convention spoiler options. Do you know any details? I've been secretly hoping it would happen. Not really, when passing through the living room while the news was on, something about delegates suing so they didn't have to honor their commitment to vote the way their district or state voted and vote their personal preference instead. Probably another scheme by Bill Kristol, whom I see as the quintessential Washington elite and part of the "we know what's best for you" crowd. I guess the primary season taught him nothing. I suppose time will tell, huh.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jul 6, 2016 23:51:02 GMT
So. let me get this straight. Both Trump AND Bill are being associated with a known pedophile? One of which is accused of raping a 13 year old and the other is flying on a plane called the Lolita Express without his secret service detail (nothing nefarious going on there, I am sure)? I really think I might puke. I actually read about Bill and this guy a few weeks ago and was throughly disgusted. I am now doubly disgusted and really, really pissed. Who the fuck are these assholes and why or why is it not being blown all over the news??? I am so glad I am moving out of the country this summer. I do not know how much more of this I can take without seriously blowing a gasket.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 7, 2016 1:41:17 GMT
well.. we do have to be careful. I have associated with a pedophile.. I didn't know..sitting next to him in church choir for a year or two. he was kicked out of the church.. and was caught with pictures and is sitting in prison for a long time.. just associating may or may not be an indication of something else.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 7, 2016 2:38:40 GMT
Wow. That is one powerful article. The allegations are awful, but even if untrue, this quote from him certainly doesn't do him any favors.
That quote from Trump was also in the first article that miz linked. I was never going to vote for Trump, but the Clinton ties to Epstein have me seriously questioning whether I could live with myself if I cast a vote for Hillary. Crooked politicians are horrible enough, but enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders? Both candidates being all chummy with this guy is just too much. Am I missing something here? What did Hillary do in this scenario? She is the one running, not Bill. Eta that if this was true and could be proven, her response would mean a lot to me in terms of how I feel about her. I don't automatically think negatively of someone who stays with a man who has cheated (in most scenarios I think it is actually the harder thing to do to stay and work on the marriage and get past the cheating), but there is a point where enough is enough.
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 7, 2016 4:23:37 GMT
Am I missing something here? What did Hillary do in this scenario? She is the one running, not Bill. She has said if elected, Bill would be part of her administration. *If* it is true about Bill, that is my concern. A rapist in a high level job in the government. The same goes for Trump *if* it is true, but I doubt he will win. I have no idea what I think about Trump/Clinton and the billionaire.
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Post by Kymberlee on Jul 8, 2016 12:02:22 GMT
That quote from Trump was also in the first article that miz linked. I was never going to vote for Trump, but the Clinton ties to Epstein have me seriously questioning whether I could live with myself if I cast a vote for Hillary. Crooked politicians are horrible enough, but enabling and covering up for pedophiles and sexual offenders? Both candidates being all chummy with this guy is just too much. Am I missing something here? What did Hillary do in this scenario? She is the one running, not Bill. Eta that if this was true and could be proven, her response would mean a lot to me in terms of how I feel about her. I don't automatically think negatively of someone who stays with a man who has cheated (in most scenarios I think it is actually the harder thing to do to stay and work on the marriage and get past the cheating), but there is a point where enough is enough. This comment bothers me. You are right, HRC is the one running for president but she is married to this scumbag who will be our First Gentleman (is that what we are going to call Bill?). Even if she had no idea what was happening on the Lolita Express, the idea that Bill is running around with a known pedophile and what looks to be a sex trafficker is abhorrent to me. This isn't about a cheating spouse; this is about something far more devious and morally reprehensible. HRC could be completely in the dark about this, and I don't care. She is associated with him and that is mind numbing to me. FTR, I do not believe at all that HRC was ignorant of Bill's association with this scumbag. My Dh and I were talking about this yesterday and his comment was "do you really think Trump raped a 13 yo girl?" My response was it doesn't matter to me at this point...the fact that Trump calls this guy a friend and associate is what is truly stomach turning. It doesn't matter if he or Bill actually participated in whatever was going on at the guy's private island. I question anyone that would have any dealings with this type of individual. Don't get me wrong, I care about child rape. My point is even if a rape had never occurred, what kind of despicable human beings stand by or even participate in this type of loathsome, despicable behavior.
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