Another Black Man Killed By Police

But we usually see, after the fact (which is when it gets discussed) what their run ins with the law have been, if any. 

So you have already read evidence, interviewed police, watched the dash cam, saw the concealed weapon permit, know what happened before the lady started filming, know it was a routine traffic stop and convicted the police officer for the shooting but you want me to believe they are innocent. Yeah sure gotcha. Damn you got powers!

It most certainly does if the cop is the one fighting for his life and it's one piece of the puzzle to show that the suspect was trying to kill the cop, as in the Darren Wilson/Michael Brown case. Or if this cop makes the same claim and there's no record to show this guy had any kind of criminal record to show a mindset, along with no forensic evidence to back up the cop's claim, as there was in the Darren Wilson/Michael Brown case.

If they smoked weed in the car, it's more than likely the police officer smelled it when he was at the car after he pulled them over.

That smell would add to the cop's possible perception of danger. People behave much differently when they are using drugs than when they aren't and it should have made him more wary.

That's not a small thing to be disregarded if real answers are to be found and one more reason it's important to actually investigate what happened.




It was a really odd video to post here, though. I couldn't watch it past the first dozen crotch shots.     

Oh come on. Do we know that they were driving the same car on July 4th as the night that Philandro was killed? No, we don't.

Even if they were blowing smoke out the windows when they got stopped, that does not mean that the situation needed to be handled violently. And not just violently, but by shooting multiple times into a car with a small child in the back seat.

So you are saying you believe the Latino police officer shot the guy just because he was black, no other reason and nothing happened. He walked up to the car and shot him? Is that what you believe?

Then only "law breaking" I see is possibly smoking weed. Unless they are in a state where it's legal and they were doing it legally. But let's go with the assumption they were doing it illegally... You are the first person I've ever seen even hint that it is logical that that crime should or could lead to death.

Years ago when my DH was caught with it in HIS vehicle, it didn't lead to death, not did it occur to us it could. Heck, he didn't even get ARRESTED! He just had to appear in court. Same with his friend who was caught with it years ago, and several of my own brothers and cousins  and my FIL. Never death, never even jail for any of the ex-pot heads and pot heads that I know. Never death.

I would imagine the same is true of your friends and relatives caught with weed. Of course, you will claim None of YOUR rightous friends or relatives would even touch the stuff. It's something my own mother would say. Never mind the fact of her 13 children- 11 use it regularly, 1 has used it occasionally (me), one has never touched it and one I am not sure what her stance is. The thing is, none of us has let or do let her know because she is so judgmental. As I am sure none of your friends and family would let you know for the same reason. Your judgmental eas But I assure you, SOMEONE you know does or has used weed and you would NEVER be ok with them being killed for it. 

Of course. 

Sure, but those that are should not be in uniform if they can not control that skittishness without willy nilly shooting anyone who makes them nervous. 

That's what I said.

It LOOKS like it's unjustified.

That's why I said you reacted a little strongly to what *I* said.


This needs to be investigated and part of any investigation should include whether or not there was evidence that drugs were being used. LEO absolutely reacts differently approaching someone who may be high than someone who might not be. How is that remotely controversial? You know as well as I do how unpredictable and dangerous stoned people can and do act. Maybe not so much with marijuana, but again, we both know that there are a good many people who combine marijuana with PCP and other drugs that can make them extremely violent.

Is it part of what happened here? I haven't a clue. I'm not part of any investigation.



All I do know for certain is that smoking in a car leaves the smell behind for a very long time and it is highly likely that an officer that pulled such a car over would still be able to smell it. There's really nothing debatable there. It is what it is. A distinctive smell that clings to upholstery.

Is that alone reason to kill someone? No. If that needs to be spelled out more to make it even more evident here on this thread, OK. No, it's not enough to justify this killing.

They were parked.

ive convicted no one. I clearly stated I am open to there being more to the story BUT with the facts available At this point, it looks like at the very least, a bad judgment call. We should only be considering the facts we have at this point. Anything else is supposition, what ifs and maybes. You are the one pretending to have magic super powers and INSISTING the deceased MUST have done something wrong because a cop couldn't possibly make a mistake. You won't even entertain the thought.

You actually come across as a very angry, unbalanced person. I highly doubt the police want the likes of you pleading their case anyway.

Absolutely.

You admit that "all the facts are not in" but then you go on to say that police officers should not be "this trigger happy and skittish".  

None of us here on this board know what happened BEFORE the video started rolling.  

The officer could very well be a racist asshole.  He could also be trigger happy and skittish.  Each of those would clearly need to be addressed as none of those descriptions are someone I want handling a gun...LEO or not.  

BUT WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED prior to the video being shot.  And after seeing that earlier video...of how the two of them behaved WITH A CHILD IN THE VEHICLE I don't understand how some of you cannot even fathom or even consider that perhaps they aren't really ones to use the best judgment.  Does anyone deserve to be killed over a tail light being out?  Of course not.  Does someone deserve to be killed for listening to inappropriate music or smoking pot with a young child in the car?  Of course not.  

We do not know what happened in the moments prior to the shooting.  I'm not even sure I've read anything from the officer's POV.  

My mistake. I didn't realize we were talking about Michael Brown. I thought we were talking about the two most recent shootings. Would you please point me to the post when this turned about Michael Brown so I can catch up?