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Post by Olan on Jul 6, 2016 22:50:18 GMT
Olan - hello it's been awhile too bad it's this awful news story that's brought you back around i think i'm going to hold off judgment until more facts come out and even then, i'm gonna try to not judge because i don't put my life on the line every day and i don't struggle to survive in a less- than - hospitable environment gina It's actually not be awhile. An awful news story didn't bring me back. Hello. |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 6, 2016 23:22:39 GMT
Are we only talking about black men being killed by police officers or do all lives matter? Because a quick Google search resulted in other police shootings in the past week but of other races. One involving a man that only had a baseball bat on him. Did I miss that thread?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 23:29:37 GMT
The video is awful and damning. There was zero reason for it happening.  |
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Post by Laurie on Jul 6, 2016 23:35:27 GMT
I also want to point out there is no snark behind my post. I feel there is a great disservice when we narrow down to just one race mattering and that goes both ways. Let's talk about all the shootings.
Personally I am always torn when I read about them. On the one hand I am outraged. I mean in the one case the guy only had a bat. Hard to say that shooting and killing was appropriate. On the other hand I'm also not in a position that when I kiss my dh and kids before going to my job that I have to worry if I am coming home alive. Unfortunately they see fellow officers being killed in the line of duty so I think that makes them nervous and untrustworthy.
I don't know the answer. I do know that there are many innocent people being killed...both citizens and officers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 23:58:11 GMT
Are we only talking about black men being killed by police officers or do all lives matter? Because a quick Google search resulted in other police shootings in the past week but of other races. One involving a man that only had a baseball bat on him. Did I miss that thread? All lives matter, but there is simply no disputing that non-whites die at the hands of law enforcement at a much higher rate than whites. ProPublica |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 0:44:08 GMT
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Post by 3jaysanc on Jul 7, 2016 1:13:31 GMT
There is a second video from a different angle and closer.
I will try to find a link.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 1:16:14 GMT
There is a second video from a different angle and closer. I will try to find a link. Link here: |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 1:22:16 GMT
That new video just makes it all look even worse  |
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Post by Olan on Jul 7, 2016 1:23:29 GMT
"Social media" has a lot of different angles. All of em end with that man dead in the street.
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Post by mom on Jul 7, 2016 1:26:08 GMT
The call was made to police because he was outside the store threatening someone with a gun so the police knew he had a gun when they came upon the scene. Just want to be clear about what they knew when they arrived. Y ou mean just like the 911 call with a man walking around Walmart pointing a gun at people? Come to find out from the video he wasn't yet the man still died by the hands of police. Got it
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Post by peasapie on Jul 7, 2016 1:28:46 GMT
I don't have the heart to watch the video.
Police carry guns and exert authority over us; and all of us -- all races -- are at their mercy. I've known wonderful police personnel, and I've known those who were on a power trip. They must expect be held to a very high standard of conduct or get into a different line of work. I won't jump to a conclusion, but I darned well expect to see accountability. They don't get a pass because they put their life on the line; that's the choice they make in their line of work.
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Post by rebelyelle on Jul 7, 2016 1:38:21 GMT
Both of those videos are pretty damning. I don't know how they could possibly claim imminent, life-threatening danger with both officers pinning him down. I'm certainly going to wait for an impartial investigation (if that's even possible?) before I have a real opinion about the whole thing, but still...it just doesn't look good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 1:45:50 GMT
Both of those videos are pretty damning. I don't know how they could possibly claim imminent, life-threatening danger with both officers pinning him down. I'm certainly going to wait for an impartial investigation (if that's even possible?) before I have a real opinion about the whole thing, but still...it just doesn't look good. I agree with this. It would SEEM that if they have him and his arms pinned down and discover a gun in his pocket, you remove the gun and cuff him, not scream gun and shoot. But I don't know, what I don't know and I've only seen the second video. I do remember the video posted here a while back, that looked undeniably like a bad shoot. Only after watching it a few times and having it pointed out that the guy was going for a gun, were you able to realize it was a clean shoot. I'm waiting for more information before being able to make an informed opinion. |
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Post by scrapgirl on Jul 7, 2016 2:04:29 GMT
My sympathies go out to the family of Alton Sterling, I can't even imagine how heartbreaking it would be to see a loved one being killed on tape. However to say that the videos conclusively show that the shooting was unjustified is a stretch. In both videos you can not see Alton's right hand, and indeed, in the second (closer) video you can see a lot of movement coming from his right side, although you can not tell what specifically was happening to cause that movement. (His front, right pocket is where his gun was removed after the shooting.) It is absolutely possible that the victim was trying to get his gun out of his pocket, or fighting the officer for control of his gun. It is equally possible that he was not and it was a bad kill. Both scenarios are possible from that video. I prefer to wait for the investigation and more evidence to come to light before forming a solid opinion.
I agree with the other commenters who said that they dislike how in today's 24/7 media cycle issues - whether it is police violence, or political malfeasance - are all tried by media and people condemned or exonerated without benefit of comprehensive investigations.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 7, 2016 2:36:39 GMT
It is so disheartening to see this story. The video and interview with the store owner make it hard to believe the police were in imminent danger.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 7:35:20 GMT
“We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality.”
MLK, “I Have a Dream” 1963
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Post by Olan on Jul 7, 2016 10:02:33 GMT
A couple weeks ago I was reading a gun control thread while sitting on my hands. I thought to myself how quickly Rainbow would change her fucking tune should every single black person became legally armed and laughed. Can you imagine how quickly they would change their tune! A second black man was shot and killed by police during a routine traffic stop. I was told it was filmed and posted live on Facebook. His child is heard screaming in the background. I shouldn't have watched Alton Sterling murdered on video and I am told watching Philando Castile being shot while reaching for his license wouldn't be a practice in self care. Facts developing. Maybe we should stop discussing it on social media now ....that way a thorough investigation of why being black is punishable by death can be conducted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 10:11:23 GMT
Sorry, but I will wait for judgement. Many times eyewitness statements have been false.
The hands up don't shoot case comes to mind, dozens of "eyewitness" came forward, only to be proven that they lied.
I'm in no way saying all cops are stellar but I will hold judgement untill everything comes out.
For the one bad LEO there are thousands of great LEO'S whom love their job and do it with dignity and grace.
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Post by Olan on Jul 7, 2016 10:36:53 GMT
Sorry, but I will wait for judgement. Many times eyewitness statements have been false. The hands up don't shoot case comes to mind, dozens of "eyewitness" came forward, only to be proven that they lied. I'm in no way saying all cops are stellar but I will hold judgement untill everything comes out. For the one bad LEO there are thousands of great LEO'S whom love their job and do it with dignity and grace. When you say false staments by eyewitnesses and reserving judgement are you referring to the store owners accounts or the civilian shot video? Without a thorough investigation having concluded what is your LEO thoughts on just the video and the policing tactics he saw used? |
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Post by missmiss on Jul 7, 2016 11:44:04 GMT
Sorry, but I will wait for judgement. Many times eyewitness statements have been false. The hands up don't shoot case comes to mind, dozens of "eyewitness" came forward, only to be proven that they lied. I'm in no way saying all cops are stellar but I will hold judgement untill everything comes out. For the one bad LEO there are thousands of great LEO'S whom love their job and do it with dignity and grace. Who said all cops are bad here? That doesn't change the fact that there are police brutality cases and something should change. Cops should not be allowed to barrel roll onto a scene and then slam a teenager girl to the ground and get away with it. Cops should not be allowed to put someone in the back of a transport vehicle and then all of a sudden the guy is dead. Cops should not be allowed to slam a old man on the ground because he doesn't understand English. Cops should not be allowed to jump on a hood of a car and start shooting UNARMED people. Just because there are thousands of great LEO's who love their job doesn't change the fact the above happens. And it would be a safe wager those quite a few of those great LEO's don't turn in that one bad LEO. Why would they when things like this happen: www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/16/baltimore-joe-crystal_n_7582374.htmlYou better pray to God you are not the star witness, because your career is already fucked,” Amador told Crystal, according to the suit. “If you’re the star witness, you may as well just resign.” The police department declined to make Amador available for comment, citing his involvement in the lawsuit. During this time, Crystal said he would sometimes call for backup while pursuing suspects on the job, only to be ignored outright. chicagotonight.wttw.com/2016/06/20/whistleblower-cop-ending-police-code-silence“I remember reporting to fugitive apprehension and a supervisor told me, ‘You’re not getting backup. The team is not going to back you up. You guys want to put supervisors in jail. I hate to be the one to knock on your door and tell your daughter you’re coming home in a box,’” Spalding said, detailing an example of the retaliation she and Echeverria faced. We need more cops like the two listed above. We also need all cops to back up these good cops. The shameful "Code of Silence" within the Chicago Police Department took a $2 million beating in federal court today. Congratulations go to the two brave whistleblower police officers who brought the case and exposed a corrupt crew of their peers in the face of personal threats to their livelihoods and even their lives. While this case is a big deal, the settlement is just a pinhead on an elephant's back. There are other cases out there. It does not change the culture. This is just a narrow, sliver of light in a very dark tunnel. In the last 10 years, Chicago has paid out $600 million in police abuse cases at a time when the city cannot pay teachers and closes 50 schools in a year. $600 MILLION in 10 years for police abuse cases. That needs to stop. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 7, 2016 11:48:18 GMT
Sorry, but I will wait for judgement. Many times eyewitness statements have been false. The hands up don't shoot case comes to mind, dozens of "eyewitness" came forward, only to be proven that they lied. I'm in no way saying all cops are stellar but I will hold judgement untill everything comes out. For the one bad LEO there are thousands of great LEO'S whom love their job and do it with dignity and grace. When you say false staments by eyewitnesses and reserving judgement are you referring to the store owners accounts or the civilian shot video? Without a thorough investigation having concluded what is your LEO thoughts on just the video and the policing tactics he saw used? I don't think she's referring to this case at all. I think she making a general statement as to the all facts coming out. Don't assume that anyone asking for the investigation to be completed is saying that they are looking for a way for the cops to always be right. |
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Post by Olan on Jul 7, 2016 11:51:28 GMT
When you say false staments by eyewitnesses and reserving judgement are you referring to the store owners accounts or the civilian shot video? Without a thorough investigation having concluded what is your LEO thoughts on just the video and the policing tactics he saw used? I don't think she's referring to this case at all. I think she making a general statement as to the all facts coming out. Don't assume that anyone asking for the investigation to be completed is sayin that they are looking for a way for the cops to always be right. I don't think you could read that into what I wrote. I kinda assumed since she was responding to this post she may have been referencing recent events too. Then I asked in the form of that post for clarification. Dialogue.Before she could answer you responded. |
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Post by Really Red on Jul 7, 2016 12:05:45 GMT
I just cannot believe this happened. I looked at the video. WTF? Why did the police pull their gun? Haven't they been made aware of all the recent stories? I absolutely think these police officers should be charged with murder.
Why do cops get stun guns if they don't use them IF they feel threatened? This is just absurd.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jul 7, 2016 12:48:18 GMT
I just cannot believe this happened. I looked at the video. WTF? Why did the police pull their gun? Haven't they been made aware of all the recent stories? I absolutely think these police officers should be charged with murder. Why do cops get stun guns if they don't use them IF they feel threatened? This is just absurd. I thought I read that they did use the stun gun first. |
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Post by momstime on Jul 7, 2016 12:57:13 GMT
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Post by missmiss on Jul 7, 2016 13:01:16 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 7, 2016 13:12:34 GMT
I woke up to the story about Philando Castile and am sick. I probably won't articulate my thoughts well, but IMO there are many issues at play here. One, of course, is racism and racial profiling. As the mother of four biracial boys, I am scared for them and think it is sad that I am more worried for how they may be treated by police that in the community as a whole. I understand that each of these cases has differences, and also understand the fear and apprehension that police have daily as they do their jobs. In addition to race, I feel that this is part of the bigger gun issue that we have in this country. Police have to worry more about who has guns and who doesn't, and it increases the tension in interactions with police. According to the video by his girlfriend, Philando Castile told police he had a gun and was reaching for his license and registration before being shot. I wonder what was going on in the officers head that led to him shooting? Did he misunderstand what he said? I don't get it.
Several years ago my husband was stopped on his way home from work (for not having his headlights on, even though it wasn't dark yet). The officer asked for his license and registration and as he reached for it, two officers (one on each side of the car) pulled their guns. I have to say, I have only been stopped a few times but have never had more than one officer there, and never had a gun pulled. Is that because I am a white woman and he is a black man?
My mom recently asked me if I have talked to my sons about how to act and what to say in interactions with the police. I hadn't really thought about it at that time, but am now wondering how others have handled this? My brother and SIL recently adopted a baby who was biracial and they had to take a class on race/culture and part of it was on how others may treat their child.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 7, 2016 13:46:11 GMT
I woke up to the story about Philando Castile and am sick. I probably won't articulate my thoughts well, but IMO there are many issues at play here. One, of course, is racism and racial profiling. As the mother of four biracial boys, I am scared for them and think it is sad that I am more worried for how they may be treated by police that in the community as a whole. I understand that each of these cases has differences, and also understand the fear and apprehension that police have daily as they do their jobs. In addition to race, I feel that this is part of the bigger gun issue that we have in this country. Police have to worry more about who has guns and who doesn't, and it increases the tension in interactions with police. According to the video by his girlfriend, Philando Castile told police he had a gun and was reaching for his license and registration before being shot. I wonder what was going on in the officers head that led to him shooting? Did he misunderstand what he said? I don't get it. Several years ago my husband was stopped on his way home from work (for not having his headlights on, even though it wasn't dark yet). The officer asked for his license and registration and as he reached for it, two officers (one on each side of the car) pulled their guns. I have to say, I have only been stopped a few times but have never had more than one officer there, and never had a gun pulled. Is that because I am a white woman and he is a black man? My mom recently asked me if I have talked to my sons about how to act and what to say in interactions with the police. I hadn't really thought about it at that time, but am now wondering how others have handled this? My brother and SIL recently adopted a baby who was biracial and they had to take a class on race/culture and part of it was on how others may treat their child. I believe the standard is to shut off your car, roll down your window, turn on interior light if it's night, and put your hands on the steering wheel. Don't go reaching for things, and don't get out of the car unless asked to. When they ask for license/registration, ask if you can get it from glove compartment. I taught my son and daughter these things. SaveSave |
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