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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 10, 2016 22:01:05 GMT
Of course no one could have predicted it. However, police should not have to forego protective gear simply to make citizens in a protest feel "more comfortable". Precisely because things are unpredictable. If it were a cooperative effort, why would they feel a need to gear up? Because police work, by definition and it's nature, is a risky job. Protective vests are part of that job. Why in the world would any group (or the police higher ups) feel "uncomfortable" because a police officer is wearing a vest?
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 10, 2016 22:03:19 GMT
They were asked by the police higher ups not to wear vest so as to make the protesters feel more comfortable.
I don't care whether BLM requested that or the police higher ups were idiots (which they were). The fact is, police should not be required to do their jobs without the full compliment of things that protect them from harm; and especially not so that protesters will "feel" better about it.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 10, 2016 22:05:10 GMT
Obama has fostered more hatred and division in this country than just about any other president. Can you explain this? I've not seen this at all so I'm wondering how he has done this and what I've missed. Perhaps it is more a question of who's hate has he fostered and who has he divided. Thanks!
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Post by mom on Jul 10, 2016 22:07:45 GMT
For me, nothing will change in our nation as long as everyone is looking to make changes in other people instead of looking at themselves and seeing what part they can change in themselves to make this a better place.
Stop pointing fingers at everyone else and look at yourself.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 10, 2016 22:08:23 GMT
Eleezybeth, Obama has, from the time he was campaigning, presented an "us v. them" face. From making fun of bible believers and those who support gun rights, to bashing anti-abortionists, to berating the Supreme Court during his State of the Union, he has fostered an attitude of "I'm right and if you don't agree, you're an idiot".
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 10, 2016 22:16:50 GMT
They were asked by the police higher ups not to wear vest so as to make the protesters feel more comfortable. I don't care whether BLM requested that or the police higher ups were idiots (which they were). The fact is, police should not be required to do their jobs without the full compliment of things that protect them from harm; and especially not so that protesters will "feel" better about it. They should be allowed to do their job. I agree. But militia gear and army issue vehicles (non police standard) are not their gear. Theyre toys that some cities got from the government after our military was done with them. No need for these things. They don't make protesters feel protected, they heighten tension and are an incident waiting to happen. You know the other night, all up and down the Atlanta protrst line, great conversations were happening between officers who were standing face to face with demonstrators. No military gear. Just people. Talking.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 10, 2016 22:33:30 GMT
It's not privilge, it's responsibility. I was young and had nothing. As soon as I found out we both busted our butts to provide. It's a choice...be responsible for yourself. STOP expecting and blaming everyone for YOUR choice. There are plenty of ways to not get pregant, birth control, condoms and oh yeah dont have sex. If you can't raise a child you shouldn't have one. It's not WHITE privilege, its common sense. This is not a race issue, its a common sense, work ethic and responsibility issue. To long we have paid for people (not just one race, all races), to reproduce. Get a job, save and then have kids. Be an adult and make adult choices. My white privilge as you call it is being a responsible and contributing member of society. You're cherry-picking issues. No, she's stating her life. We fall in the same likeness. I wasn't born rich, had lots of siblings, knew that we were "different" once our dad was on strike and we received discounted/free lunches at school. As children We didn't have a ton, didn't shop high end stores, never had Nike's, or other expensive wear. We never took vacations, not for the lack of wanting to go. We watched our parents work hard, and learn responsibility early. We grew up having a solid work ethic. We learned to treat people with respect--all people. And none of that upbringing had anything to do with "white privilege". It was just the way. My mother went to a Catholic High School--not because she was wealthy, but because my grandparents worked their entire lives in the schools (non teacher). My dad went to a high school that was predominantly black. He was the only white man playing on the basketball team where they called him "whitey" and they called one another the "N" word, as casually as could be. We did not grow up learning to use that slang, or treat anyone with disrespect. I worked hard in school for my grades, and I've worked hard since. I've received unemployment before, never could qualify for food stamps. We've gone hungry, gone without basics and healthcare. Hard work and taking on jobs we didn't like to get us where we are now. All that was EARNED and not given to us because of "white privilege". Our parents taught us the tools we needed to get out of whatever we got into. I'm not saying that privilege doesn't exist, however I see way too many conversations where it's being thrown about; accusatory---to make people feel uncomfortable. Acknowledging that something exists is far from action--doing something to make where we live a better place.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 10, 2016 22:33:52 GMT
I'm talking "vests", not army issue vehicle.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 10, 2016 22:35:40 GMT
They were asked by the police higher ups not to wear vest so as to make the protesters feel more comfortable. I don't care whether BLM requested that or the police higher ups were idiots (which they were). The fact is, police should not be required to do their jobs without the full compliment of things that protect them from harm; and especially not so that protesters will "feel" better about it. They should be allowed to do their job. I agree. But militia gear and army issue vehicles (non police standard) are not their gear. Theyre toys that some cities got from the government after our military was done with them. No need for these things. They don't make protesters feel protected, they heighten tension and are an incident waiting to happen. You know the other night, all up and down the Atlanta protrst line, great conversations were happening between officers who were standing face to face with demonstrators. No military gear. Just people. Talking. And just by luck, there was not a sniper picking them off one by one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 22:36:29 GMT
They were asked by the police higher ups not to wear vest so as to make the protesters feel more comfortable. I don't care whether BLM requested that or the police higher ups were idiots (which they were). The fact is, police should not be required to do their jobs without the full compliment of things that protect them from harm; and especially not so that protesters will "feel" better about it. I agree that officers should never have been told not to wear their vests. That decision is squarely on the higher ups who told them not to. I could see a request not to wear riot gear, but not the vests. ETA: I think each and every police officer should have the right to refuse if they are told that they can't wear their vest while on duty.
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Post by eleezybeth on Jul 10, 2016 22:39:40 GMT
Eleezybeth, Obama has, from the time he was campaigning, presented an "us v. them" face. From making fun of bible believers and those who support gun rights, to bashing anti-abortionists, to berating the Supreme Court during his State of the Union, he has fostered an attitude of "I'm right and if you don't agree, you're an idiot". I believe words like "bashing, berating and making fun" are pretty strong words to describe those events. They also go against your views so is this a perception issue? Who is side "us" and who is side "them?" I'm not trying to poke the bear as I am generally curious how this is all Obama's fault. Not that I really understand what "all" is in your mind. You see, I think George W. Bush is a bumbling fucking idiot who set this entire nation up for failure. That is my perception. I have some proof and you'd have proof against it. So when we say things like, "bash, berate and us vs. them" it would be great if we could be specific vs. just spewing the rhetoric. If you'd choose I just turn on Fox News and spew whatever nonsense conspiracy theory we have going on today, I'd completely understand. I think these last 8 years have been really hard on people who can't accept that change is coming. I know people who dislike Obama because of his skin color. In 2016... people just can't handle a black president. Not because of his politics, but his skin color. They can't argue against his politics because they must first point out his skin color. I hear many of the same complaints about Hillary. Not about her politics but her gender. I hear it daily on our news. I see it on the FB feeds liked by people who would like to claim their political views have nothing to do with their racism. That is what I see a lot of on here. I feel that if he was simply an old white democrat you all would be okay but his black skin offends. If perhaps all this rhetoric wasn't based on such a strong undercurrent of HATE I'd be able to at least understand what it is about. I just can't hear anything but that hate. It is vehement and so many people do not even see how hateful, racist and prejudiced they are being. You don't have to agree and I don't think you are an idiot but I truly don't understand how there are people who don't think they've had ANY role in creating an us vs. them.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 10, 2016 22:39:43 GMT
You're cherry-picking issues. No, she's stating her life. We fall in the same likeness. I wasn't born rich, had lots of siblings, knew that we were "different" once our dad was on strike and we received discounted/free lunches at school. As children We didn't have a ton, didn't shop high end stores, never had Nike's, or other expensive wear. We never took vacations, not for the lack of wanting to go. We watched our parents work hard, and learn responsibility early. We grew up having a solid work ethic. We learned to treat people with respect--all people. And none of that upbringing had anything to do with "white privilege". It was just the way. My mother went to a Catholic High School--not because she was wealthy, but because my grandparents worked their entire lives in the schools (non teacher). My dad went to a high school that was predominantly black. He was the only white man playing on the basketball team where they called him "whitey" and they called one another the "N" word, as casually as could be. We did not grow up learning to use that slang, or treat anyone with disrespect. I worked hard in school for my grades, and I've worked hard since. I've received unemployment before, never could qualify for food stamps. We've gone hungry, gone without basics and healthcare. Hard work and taking on jobs we didn't like to get us where we are now. All that was EARNED and not given to us because of "white privilege". Our parents taught us the tools we needed to get out of whatever we got into. I'm not saying that privilege doesn't exist, however I see way too many conversations where it's being thrown about; accusatory---to make people feel uncomfortable. Acknowledging that something exists is far from action--doing something to make where we live a better place. What if your parents couldn't get a job--or even an interview--because of their name or address or color? That is white privilege.
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Post by Hayjaker on Jul 10, 2016 22:44:00 GMT
You're cherry-picking issues. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean cherry picking? I'm responding to a post about government assistance. If you could further elaborate on what you mean, it would be appericated. I can't respond to your comment. It's not about government assistance. It's about layers and layers of circumstances that allow a white person in the U.S. to have more privileges than a person of color. It's nothing specific that "I" or "You" as a white person have done. It just is. And it's wrong. And we have a responsibility in fixing it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 10, 2016 22:45:34 GMT
I'm sure that there are morons (yes morons) who don't like Obama because he's black or Hillary because she's a woman. But I think all too often, the ideological beliefs held by those of us who don't like Obama's or Hillary's ideology are dismissed with words like "oh it's just because he's black or she's a woman. NO. I don't like what they stand for. I don't like the beliefs they hold or the way they want to take this country. Yet not liking their ideology brands me as a "racist".
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Post by tmarschall on Jul 10, 2016 23:18:00 GMT
I agree with tincin on how government assistance rules have decimated families in poverty. When looking at populations that have received "help" from the government (NA on reservations and blacks after the civil rights era) it's no help at all. Don't have kids then. If you can afford them, don't have them. We worked our butts off to pay for everything. We adjusted and happily did it to have kids. You shouldn't expect a hand out when you choose to have kids. In an ideal world, this is how it should be. I had to choose not to have children because of the cost of my education, so I did so. But things happen. Families with adequate resources, including savings and housing that doesn't out spend their budgets can be struck with a devastating illness or accident. Sometimes whole careers become obsolete over time. Marriages can fall apart, leaving one parent to support those children. People end up unexpectedly caring for aging parents or disabled family members. There are a variety of reasons people can need help. If you could hear their stories, you'd see poor choices and irresponsibility are not the norm.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 10, 2016 23:35:42 GMT
No, she's stating her life. We fall in the same likeness. I wasn't born rich, had lots of siblings, knew that we were "different" once our dad was on strike and we received discounted/free lunches at school. As children We didn't have a ton, didn't shop high end stores, never had Nike's, or other expensive wear. We never took vacations, not for the lack of wanting to go. We watched our parents work hard, and learn responsibility early. We grew up having a solid work ethic. We learned to treat people with respect--all people. And none of that upbringing had anything to do with "white privilege". It was just the way. My mother went to a Catholic High School--not because she was wealthy, but because my grandparents worked their entire lives in the schools (non teacher). My dad went to a high school that was predominantly black. He was the only white man playing on the basketball team where they called him "whitey" and they called one another the "N" word, as casually as could be. We did not grow up learning to use that slang, or treat anyone with disrespect. I worked hard in school for my grades, and I've worked hard since. I've received unemployment before, never could qualify for food stamps. We've gone hungry, gone without basics and healthcare. Hard work and taking on jobs we didn't like to get us where we are now. All that was EARNED and not given to us because of "white privilege". Our parents taught us the tools we needed to get out of whatever we got into. I'm not saying that privilege doesn't exist, however I see way too many conversations where it's being thrown about; accusatory---to make people feel uncomfortable. Acknowledging that something exists is far from action--doing something to make where we live a better place. What if your parents couldn't get a job--or even an interview--because of their name or address or color? That is white privilege. So, now, at this time, every single white person is to be at fault/ashamed/and labeled as to be using white privilege? More than once my dad was turned down for work. My dad was an extraordinary man. He made sure others had food, clothing, money if times were bad, regardless of the color of their skin. All white people were born into this "white privilege"; it's just a matter of history, our government when it began, and systemic actions since. Not every action that a white person does now is due to WP (white privilege). What I'm trying to say is that my parents didn't allow that part of history to affect what they taught us as the right thing to do and how to act NOW towards any human being. Right now, in this environment, WP is being thrown about in so many different meanings that people get pissed off--it's being spat out as derogatory term, used as blame, heck we have a presidential candidate who is all but saying outright that WP are the "winners" and everyone who is not a winner are the losers! EDITED to add
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 23:56:16 GMT
Don't have kids then. If you can afford them, don't have them. We worked our butts off to pay for everything. We adjusted and happily did it to have kids. You shouldn't expect a hand out when you choose to have kids. In an ideal world, this is how it should be. I had to choose not to have children because of the cost of my education, so I did so. But things happen. Families with adequate resources, including savings and housing that doesn't out spend their budgets can be struck with a devastating illness or accident. Sometimes whole careers become obsolete over time. Marriages can fall apart, leaving one parent to support those children. People end up unexpectedly caring for aging parents or disabled family members. There are a variety of reasons people can need help. If you could hear their stories, you'd see poor choices and irresponsibility are not the norm. Those circumstances I understand. It the others I don't.
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Post by Merge on Jul 11, 2016 0:02:32 GMT
What if your parents couldn't get a job--or even an interview--because of their name or address or color? That is white privilege. So every single white person is to be at fault/ashamed/and labeled as to be having white privilege? Just because they exist? What about times where parents/white people are passed over for work? For whatever the reason? Nobody has suggested that anyone should be considered at fault or ashamed. We can acknowledge that it exists in our society because of lots of historical structures that were put in place long before any of us was born, and work toward eradicating inequity wherever we see it - but no one has to be at fault. That seems to be such a misconception and source of anger, and I don't understand where it came from. I acknowledge that I benefit from white privilege, but I don't think that's my fault or yours or anyone else's. The idea behind acknowledging it is simply to have a clearer lens through which to view societal issues. Of course most of us are passed over for a job at one time or another. But most white people are not passed over for a job solely because their skin is the wrong color or their name is too unfamiliar or ethnic-sounding. And yet numerous studies have shown that this happens to people of color all the time.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 11, 2016 0:38:29 GMT
A friend just posted this on FB and it sums my feelings up as well: I don't think attempting to marginalize one problem by pointing out another one is helpful. And, not but. And the fact remains that for all we want to tell the black community what they should be focusing on, institutionalized racism still exists. The legacy of slavery and Jim Crow still exists. Generational poverty exists, education inequity exists, fear of "other" exists, and an attitude of "that is THEIR problem to fix" exists. This is OUR problem. Ours as a society. And it's a wide range of problems, none of which exists in isolation.Agree. This is OUR problem. It's how a civilized society works. SaveSaveI agree with this. This is our problem as a society to fix, although each person's role in doing so would look different.
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 11, 2016 0:48:38 GMT
I think people are confused by what to do about white privilege. You're not supposed to feel all shameful and guilty that you are white. You should only be aware of the privilege that comes with. That is called empathy. With your privilege you should try, just a little, to bring someone up. Why wouldn't you want to?
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 11, 2016 0:55:54 GMT
I think people are confused by what to do about white privilege. You're not supposed to feel all shameful and guilty that you are white. You should only be aware of the privilege that comes with. That is called empathy. With your privilege you should try, just a little, to bring someone up. Why wouldn't you want to? YES. Acknowledging my white privilege doesn't mean I feel bad about my own heritage. It means I need to be AWARE that my societally constructed race has afforded me things that others do not have access to or do not enjoy. It means I need to be sensitive to that when someone who is NOT my race experiences racism and discrimination. SaveSave
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 11, 2016 1:46:32 GMT
I think people are confused by what to do about white privilege. You're not supposed to feel all shameful and guilty that you are white. You should only be aware of the privilege that comes with. That is called empathy. With your privilege you should try, just a little, to bring someone up. Why wouldn't you want to? The thing about that--why it's been hard to decipher here? Because white women's on this board are being told that they are both sympathetic/lack empathy/"white privileged "/that we just don't understand/that we are not outraged enough. Most people here ARE and HAVE BEEN trying to do what is right. But then we are told it's not enough. The reason some are upset or "lash out" about WP, is that it's being thrown out as if we are taking advantage, that we are being unfair, or that we are directly responsible. While we are being schooled about "being aware of our WP" it still doesn't negate that EVERYONE no matter what ethnicity they are needs to take responsibility for their own life and actions.
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Post by Peace Sign on Jul 11, 2016 1:48:08 GMT
I think people are confused by what to do about white privilege. You're not supposed to feel all shameful and guilty that you are white. You should only be aware of the privilege that comes with. That is called empathy. With your privilege you should try, just a little, to bring someone up. Why wouldn't you want to? The thing about that--why it's been hard to decipher here? Because white women's on this board are being told that they are both sympathetic/lack empathy/"white privileged "/that we just don't understand/that we are not outraged enough. Most people here ARE and HAVE BEEN trying to do what is right. But then we are told it's not enough. The reason some are upset or "lash out" about WP, is that it's being thrown out as if we are taking advantage, that we are being unfair, or that we are directly responsible. While we are being schooled about "being aware of our WP" it still doesn't negate that EVERYONE no matter what ethnicity they are needs to take responsibility for their own life and actions. I'm not sure that's true. Who's crying victim now?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 1:53:17 GMT
The thing about that--why it's been hard to decipher here? Because white women's on this board are being told that they are both sympathetic/lack empathy/"white privileged "/that we just don't understand/that we are not outraged enough. Most people here ARE and HAVE BEEN trying to do what is right. But then we are told it's not enough. The reason some are upset or "lash out" about WP, is that it's being thrown out as if we are taking advantage, that we are being unfair, or that we are directly responsible. While we are being schooled about "being aware of our WP" it still doesn't negate that EVERYONE no matter what ethnicity they are needs to take responsibility for their own life and actions. I'm not sure that's true. Who's crying victim now? Which part is untrue?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 2:50:13 GMT
No. I disagree. The ridiculously high number of out-of-wedlock babies and single mothers in the black community is NOT "our societal" problem to fix. This has become a cultural thing in urban black communities. The crime in urban black communities and the murder of innocent blacks by other blacks is NOT the problem that whites have created nor is it a problem that whites can fix. The destruction of black property by blacks, the looting of black stores by blacks, the violence of blacks by blacks is not caused by whites, Jim Crow, the legacy of slavery or any other white guilt reason you want to ascribe the actions of urban black culture to. It isn't racism that causes blacks to do these terrible things to other blacks and I refuse to accept that racism is an excuse for these actions that harm the black community. And yes, I am going to tell the black community what they should focus on. Why? Because if their goal is to better their own lives they need to look at what is bringing down that quality of life; they need to be looking at the actions of the community that are making it unsafe for their children and destroying their ability to lead peaceful lives. This focusing on cops ignores the larger and more important picture. They are making the whites and cops their enemies when in fact, the enemy lies within. Lauren: That's EXACTLY how it is down here in this part of FL. I copied some crime maps and couldn't believe the rate of crime for about 5 or 6 towns close together here. I didn't realize HOW dangerous it was, but it's the norm to see young, teen unwed mothers, toting around 4 or so children, not even looking after them. Many toddlers right here died under their watch (while they were posting sexy pics on social media to snatch the next babydaddy). The crime here is unreal. We're trying to move out of this area right now because it's that bad. It's not only in black areas, it's in communities that are poor or uneducated, and I have to say that every time I've spoken to a cop here, it hasn't been a positive experience. I've never seen as many cop-related vehicles as I have seen here, so I'm sure they're really busy fighting off the meth-addicts and scam artists here, so they're not too pleasant. I feel badly for people that can't get out of areas like this. We're trying our best to move!
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Post by inkedup on Jul 11, 2016 2:56:51 GMT
I have not done criminal law since 1989. I had no website at that time. So what's your point? My website has never listed criminal law so if you're going to stalk someone at least try to do it right. Oh, and btw, do you like the new design? I've received lots of compliments on it. As far as my son, what makes you think I have any more control over him than I do over you or anybody other than myself? He's an adult. It wasn't me in the bed creating the baby. Yes, my granddaughter was born out of wedlock. Do I wish it were different.? Yes. But I have no control over what he, an adult, does. Have I spoken to my son about his need not to bring another child into these conditions? Once again, yes. I expect no less from him than I expect from any other adult in either the white or the black community that I am speaking to here. So, again, just what do you think I can do to stop my adult son from having an out-of-wedlock child? I don't give him a pass. What I do, is love the child and help her not to repeat the mistakes of her parents by teaching her personal responsibility. I know in your mind, you think you've made a "gotcha" comment. But in reality, it's not. My position in all situations, including that of my son, is the same. You make my point for me. Your son is an individual with a mind of his own. I do not doubt you are a good and loving mother. I am certain you did everything you could to help your children make the best choices possible. Your son chose his own difficult path in spite of the advantages he was afforded. (I'm not implying wealth or race, simply going off of the type of parent I assume you are.) Can you imagine how hard it is, then, to make the best choices when you grow up impoverished, surrounded by violence and hopelessness? Does being born poor or a person of color absolve one of personal responsibility? Absolutely not. But, in many cases, it sure makes it harder to make the best choices for yourself. Especially in violent, poor neighborhoods. This isn't a simple issue. Telling black people they should just stop getting themselves pregnant/arrested/killed by the police is overly simplistic.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 11, 2016 3:05:32 GMT
The thing about that--why it's been hard to decipher here? Because white women's on this board are being told that they are both sympathetic/lack empathy/"white privileged "/that we just don't understand/that we are not outraged enough. Most people here ARE and HAVE BEEN trying to do what is right. But then we are told it's not enough. The reason some are upset or "lash out" about WP, is that it's being thrown out as if we are taking advantage, that we are being unfair, or that we are directly responsible. While we are being schooled about "being aware of our WP" it still doesn't negate that EVERYONE no matter what ethnicity they are needs to take responsibility for their own life and actions. I'm not sure that's true. Who's crying victim now? It's most certainly true. I'm far from being or portraying a victim, so don't even go there.
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Post by M~ on Jul 11, 2016 3:14:36 GMT
I think people are confused by what to do about white privilege. You're not supposed to feel all shameful and guilty that you are white. You should only be aware of the privilege that comes with. That is called empathy. With your privilege you should try, just a little, to bring someone up. Why wouldn't you want to? The thing about that--why it's been hard to decipher here? Because white women's on this board are being told that they are both sympathetic/lack empathy/"white privileged "/that we just don't understand/that we are not outraged enough. Most people here ARE and HAVE BEEN trying to do what is right. But then we are told it's not enough. The reason some are upset or "lash out" about WP, is that it's being thrown out as if we are taking advantage, that we are being unfair, or that we are directly responsible. While we are being schooled about "being aware of our WP" it still doesn't negate that EVERYONE no matter what ethnicity they are needs to take responsibility for their own life and actions. Well. Frankly, you (as in the general you) don't understand. You're white. You don't have a brown or black face. The point is-when minority people tell you that these are OUR experiences-don't say it's bullshit or that we call "racism" at the drop of a hat. Yes, many of us do in fact take responsibility for our own actions. Many don't. Just like white people. The problem is-it's not white people being shot at by police out there. It's not white people who are stopped because they drive an expensive car, or get looked at suspiciously when they walk around an expensive neighborhood. THAT is white privilege.
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Post by katiejane on Jul 11, 2016 4:01:57 GMT
Okay.....honest question here for a non us citizen. It seems that people are unhappy with the campaign and want to argue that all lives matter. But isn't that what the campaign is trying to achieve. That a group of people that have felt profiled, in danger and undervalued by another group for a long time are saying 'stop! We matter too'. Or am I missing something.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 11, 2016 4:16:07 GMT
The reason some are upset or "lash out" about WP, is that it's being thrown out as if we are taking advantage, that we are being unfair, or that we are directly responsible. While we are being schooled about "being aware of our WP" it still doesn't negate that EVERYONE no matter what ethnicity they are needs to take responsibility for their own life and actions. The playing field is not level. It's not a matter of you taking advantage of your skin color or being responsible for the success of others. It's about acknowledging that you have an advantage and having a little compassion for others.
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