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Post by edie3 on Jul 11, 2016 22:43:54 GMT
Sometimes we have to cover for 3rd shift. If you work on a Tuesday night, you would be off on Wednesday, cause you worked that day (night). In order not to lose vacation time, you would have to work your regular shift on Tuesday day time, leave at 4-5pm (after your 8 hours) and come back in at 10 pm. Thats alot of hours in a short period of time. Opinions?
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Post by basketdiva on Jul 11, 2016 22:45:23 GMT
Is overtime paid for the 2nd shift?
ETA- why would you lose vacation time?
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Post by edie3 on Jul 11, 2016 22:50:22 GMT
If you dont work 40 hours, it comes out of your vacation time. If you take Tuesday off, you work Monday, Wendnesday( night shift) Thursday and Friday. 32 hours.
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Post by elaine on Jul 11, 2016 22:50:30 GMT
So, the are considering Tuesday Night to actually be Wednesday morning shift - probably because most of the hours are actually on Wednesday, correct?
So, are you losing vacation time if you don't work your full 40 hours if you want to take Tuesday day shift off? As long as you get in 40 hours, I don't understand losing vacation time.
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Post by edie3 on Jul 11, 2016 22:54:30 GMT
but you would work til 5 or whatever and come back in at 10, only 5 hours between shifts.
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Post by secondlife on Jul 11, 2016 23:00:55 GMT
I think there should be a slightly better way of handling the shift structure when you have to cover someone else's shift. Like letting day or swing run one person short for a day. Or have someone work a split shift. Or find another way to structure that persons time so that they get 80 hours in a pay period as opposed to 40 in a week.
Having an on call or per diem person to cover third when someone is out would be even better. Maybe one floater on the roster to make that fly.
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Post by elaine on Jul 11, 2016 23:09:58 GMT
If you dont work 40 hours, it comes out of your vacation time. If you take Tuesday off, you work Monday, Wendnesday( night shift) Thursday and Friday. 32 hours. Is it that it comes out of your vacation time, or that you just don't earn vacation time? Of course you aren't going to be paid for full-time (40 hours) if you only work 32, unless you take vacation time. |
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Post by elaine on Jul 11, 2016 23:13:20 GMT
but you would work til 5 or whatever and come back in at 10, only 5 hours between shifts. If it is only one time per week, that isn't too bad. If you work in an industry which is open and running 24 hours per day, that can happen. It isn't ideal, but I don't think that unusual. Nurses, for example, often work odd combinations of shifts because someone has to be there with patients 24 hours per day. |
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Post by jemali on Jul 11, 2016 23:33:34 GMT
My dh works at a place with 3 shifts. If somebody is gone the other 2 people split the shift. So one guy stays 4 hours late and the other one comes in 4 hours early.
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Post by Merge on Jul 11, 2016 23:37:48 GMT
I agree that that's what often happens in companies that operate 24 hours or close to it. I remember hating weekends when I waited tables, because I'd be there until 2 AM closing Saturday night and then have to be back at 7 AM to set up for brunch. Everybody had to work Saturday night and Sunday brunch unless you had vacation time, because those were our busiest times.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 11, 2016 23:40:43 GMT
but you would work til 5 or whatever and come back in at 10, only 5 hours between shifts. If it is only one time per week, that isn't too bad. If you work in an industry which is open and running 24 hours per day, that can happen. It isn't ideal, but I don't think that unusual. Nurses, for example, often work odd combinations of shifts because someone has to be there with patients 24 hours per day. Dh has this type of thing too. He works at the county jail. If someone calls in sick they can't just be short officers so they have mandatory overtime. He works third shift and goes to work at 9:30 pm. He gets home at 7 am but if he works OT he gets home at 3 pm and then goes back to work at 9:30 that same night. I agree, some industries work out like that and you really can't do anything about it. You can't have inmates without guards and you can't have patients without nurses. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Jul 12, 2016 0:14:07 GMT
I have a similar situation at work, not exactly the same but similar.
There are only 2 of us that work my shift (we are a 24/7/365 dept) so if one of us goes on vacation the other has to cover. There are times that it works out where I have worked 6 or 7 days straight ending on a Sunday. I am allowed to take that next monday off because of the extra days but I have to take CTO/vacation time because it is technically the next week and if I want to get paid for at least 40 hours that is what I need to do. I do receive overtime for the extra days worked in the previous week though.
I guess I don't think it is totally abnormal.
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Post by gritzi on Jul 12, 2016 0:18:33 GMT
There have been countless times when my DH has had to work a full 10-12hour day shift, would get home at 5:30 (or later) and be back at work by 9 for a full 10-12 hour midnight shift. If he chose not to work the full initial 10-12 hour shift then he would have to use vacation time to cover the missing hours.
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Post by tiggerpooh2380 on Jul 12, 2016 0:38:49 GMT
I think I would prefer Tuesday off then work Tuesday night Wednesday day. Is that an option .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 0:50:34 GMT
Fair or right are judgment calls. But generally not illegal as long as the employer is paying you for all hours worked (at least minimum wage plus OT). There are a few industries that limit the number of hours worked and time between shifts but that is rare.
it is not unusual for the employer to require the employee to take any banked paid timeoff before taking off any unpaid time...that is making up any hours less than 40 with paid timeoff available...regardless of shifts worked.
If you have better shifts/ideas I would suggest putting them in writing and present them to management (like the split shift, etc). But even then the using vacation time for less than 40 is very common.
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Post by littlemama on Jul 12, 2016 1:09:28 GMT
It's not illegal, but it would suck if it happened frequently.
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Post by edie3 on Jul 12, 2016 7:20:26 GMT
Did not realize it was that common. Thanks for the info.
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jul 12, 2016 11:20:42 GMT
It's a tough schedule, but imagine it's the best way to cover things. It makes sense, you work Tues/Tues eve and then get Wednesday off entirely. So hours wise it works, but it's probably a little tough to get excited about.
ds ends up with a couple closing shifts at the beginning of the week, then goes to opening shifts. So last night he came in around 11 pm and was out the door before around 5:30 am. Not exactly the same thing I know, but just the nature of needing to cover the shifts. He'll come in tonight, have dinner and likely fall asleep right after - it does mess with you doing odd hours (and he works 10 hour days most days too.)
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Post by stittsygirl on Jul 12, 2016 11:51:05 GMT
I work in a hospital in a surgical department. When I'm on call on the weekends, I work my normal shift until from 7pm Friday night to 3:30 Saturday morning, then can be called back in as early as 6am on Saturday again. It sucks, but it's part of what I do. We generally don't get any full days off during the week even if we had a busy weekend of call, so often we can work 12 days straight. I was on call Memorial Day weekend and worked from 10pm Sunday to 3am Monday morning. I went home and got two hours of sleep, then had to be back at six and worked another 11 hours. I kept thinking of the line from Lethal Weapon - I'm getting too old for this shite  . |
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Post by annabella on Jul 12, 2016 14:43:47 GMT
I know a radiologist who according to google should make $400K a year. She works at a hospital and normally works 9-5pm except on Tuesdays she works 5-10pm then on Wednesday she's back to 9am-5pm. Due to the fact that she has kids she can only go to the gym on Tuesdays. But she gets 6 weeks vacation. As you can see, no one's life is perfect.
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Post by MerryMom on Jul 12, 2016 15:39:46 GMT
Some will depend on how your employer defines a "day". What time does it start?
When I worked at a hospital, the "day" started at 7 am and ended at 6:59am the following day. They had rules about working more than 12 hours in a "day". In addition, there were always some weird shifts that were "staggered" due to avoiding all staff leaving at the same time, especially with nursing. So 80% of your shift had to be within that "day" in order to count as that day. For instance, if I worked a 6 am to 6 pm shift, it counted for that day as more than 80% of my shift was after 7 am. In addition, there had to be a minimum of 10 hours between shifts.
At the hospital I worked, the scenario you describe would not fly. However if your agency defines a day as starting at 11 pm, then it would depend.
I think you need to check into the labor laws and work hours in your state.
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Post by jennyap on Jul 12, 2016 17:36:01 GMT
Growing up my Dad worked on a rotating shift schedule. The shifts were midnight to 8am ('early'), 8am to 4pm ('day'), and 4pm to midnight ('late').
I forget the exact details, but on a fairly regular basis - I want to say about every 3 weeks - the shift pattern would involve working 2 or 3 days then 2 or 3 earlies with no break in between, which meant only 8 hours between shifts on the changeover. They were known in our house as 'quick turnarounds' and we kids had to be on our very best and quietest behaviour so his sleep wasn't disturbed by us.
5 hours does seem extremely short to me, but for cover rather than a routinely scheduled thing it doesn't seem too unreasonable to me (even though I can see that there could be better ways to manage it)
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