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Post by freecharlie on Jul 11, 2016 23:05:17 GMT
What is so freaking hard about that? Make sure it is out before you leave. Ugh. We have multiple wildfires right now. At least one was started by idiots who didn't completely put out their fire. They even had a conversation before leaving about whether they should put it out better or not. In Evergreen (a town as you go up the mountains on I-70) there have been multiple reports of hikers coming up on sites where the fires have not been put out correctly. It isn't that hard to make sure it is out before you leave. If you can't extinguish it, don't light it.    |
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 11, 2016 23:10:57 GMT
i would think that people DO think they put it out correctly
sometimes fire smolder and a person can't tell
if you bury a fire (sounds reasonable) - it'll most likely smolder and relight
there are a lot of things people do incorrectly when venturing out into 'nature'
especially if it's only once in a while
people just don't learn those things sometimes
(i moved to the 'country' and had to learn all these things that everyone else grew up doing - so maybe i am a bit defensive of city people camping and screwing up)
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 11, 2016 23:16:36 GMT
No kidding! As amazing as sunsets are when it's wildfire season, I'd rather not see them due to idiots who don't put out fires, target shoot in areas prone to fires, light firecrackers in the wrong places, throw their cigarette out the window (YES, it's that dry!), or can't control a torch when burning weeds. I'm sure I'm missing more!
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 11, 2016 23:17:04 GMT
i would think that people DO think they put it out correctly sometimes fire smolder and a person can't tell if you bury a fire (sounds reasonable) - it'll most likely smolder and relight there are a lot of things people do incorrectly when venturing out into 'nature' especially if it's only once in a while people just don't learn those things sometimes (i moved to the 'country' and had to learn all these things that everyone else grew up doing - so maybe i am a bit defensive of city people camping and screwing up) gina I understand that some people don't camp or use fires often, but I do think that the onus is on them to know how to put out the fire. If you can build it, you should know how to put it out. Failure to do so is criminal and the fire starter can, and should be, charged. We live in an instant knowledge world, look up how to put it out. Water, drown it stir in dirt check for embers and heat. repeat above steps until it is cold an done |
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Post by ginacivey on Jul 11, 2016 23:18:30 GMT
agreed!
how could people be taught better?
some people literally don't have the common sense!
maybe an illustrated pamphlet on the way in!
gina
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Post by refugeepea on Jul 11, 2016 23:22:45 GMT
maybe an illustrated pamphlet on the way in! The problem is there are many people who don't go to designated campgrounds. They find a spot off the beaten path and camp there whether it's private or not. |
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Post by Woobster on Jul 11, 2016 23:25:36 GMT
<---- Arizona native, here... My family was evacuated for the Rodeo-Chedeski fire as well as the Wallow fire. I TOTALLY understand your frustration!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 0:37:14 GMT
Are there signs at trail heads and campsites on how to douse a fire?
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 12, 2016 0:45:42 GMT
Are there signs at trail heads and campsites on how to douse a fire? I've not seen them on trail heads, but if you are camping you should do the research or not light the fire. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 12, 2016 0:53:00 GMT
What is so freaking hard about that? Make sure it is out before you leave. Ugh. We have multiple wildfires right now. At least one was started by idiots who didn't completely put out their fire. They even had a conversation before leaving about whether they should put it out better or not. In Evergreen (a town as you go up the mountains on I-70) there have been multiple reports of hikers coming up on sites where the fires have not been put out correctly. It isn't that hard to make sure it is out before you leave. If you can't extinguish it, don't light it.  Uggggg, last night letting the dogs out it was stinky..... I swear people can be clueless.... |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 12, 2016 0:55:43 GMT
i would think that people DO think they put it out correctly sometimes fire smolder and a person can't tell if you bury a fire (sounds reasonable) - it'll most likely smolder and relight there are a lot of things people do incorrectly when venturing out into 'nature' especially if it's only once in a while people just don't learn those things sometimes (i moved to the 'country' and had to learn all these things that everyone else grew up doing - so maybe i am a bit defensive of city people camping and screwing up) gina Nope I disagree....nicely though  You wait until it is out.. You pour water on it.. you stomp on it.. you pour more water on it. You don't leave until it is out.... If 'you' don't know how to camp you go with people who know. It takes ONE stupid move to burn down a forest. No excuse... (Of course, my opinion...) |
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 12, 2016 0:56:02 GMT
We have several south of you causing lots of smoke. One on base right down the road from us.
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Post by yivit on Jul 12, 2016 2:26:57 GMT
maybe an illustrated pamphlet on the way in! The problem is there are many people who don't go to designated campgrounds. They find a spot off the beaten path and camp there whether it's private or not. I think a pamphlet is a great idea. They should put the pamphlet on the fire they THINK is out and wait (15 minutes or whatever). If the pamphlet doesn't start smoldering, then the fire is out and you can pick up the pamphlet (don't want to litter) and leave. |
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 12, 2016 2:54:41 GMT
One problem mentioned is that tourists are coming in to partake of weed and not putting out the fires. We've had so many houses (over 800) burn in just our town over the last few years from carelessness or arson that residents are getting pissed.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 12, 2016 3:00:15 GMT
One problem mentioned is that tourists are coming in to partake of weed and not putting out the fires. We've had so many houses (over 800) burn in just our town over the last few years from carelessness or arson that residents are getting pissed. Well, techincally they can't smoke it in public or in most hotels, so they go to the mountains even though it is illegal on federal land still. |
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 12, 2016 3:34:11 GMT
Yeah, if you are old enough to have watched the news or see the news on the Internet, you have seen (at some point) the huge and destructive fires that rage from careless campers. In multiple states. Every year. Don't be one of those careless campers. Please. A sign/instructions at every trailhead is a nice idea in theory until you think about how many trailheads (Federal and State) there are. (In Colorado alone, that would number in the thousands.) If you need instructions, look them up before you go and start the fire. Thank you.
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Post by Lindarina on Jul 12, 2016 8:57:10 GMT
i would think that people DO think they put it out correctly sometimes fire smolder and a person can't tell if you bury a fire (sounds reasonable) - it'll most likely smolder and relight there are a lot of things people do incorrectly when venturing out into 'nature'
especially if it's only once in a while
people just don't learn those things sometimes(i moved to the 'country' and had to learn all these things that everyone else grew up doing - so maybe i am a bit defensive of city people camping and screwing up) gina I get what you are saying, and this holds more and more true as we (general we) remove ourselves from nature. But the responibility still lies on those who made the decision to build a fire. People need to either educate themselves and do it properly or not build that fire at all. In my country (Norway) we see this every year when tourists from other countries comes to visit. Unfortunately some of them end up dead because of their lack of knowledge about how powerful nature can be. It's like they can't phantom that walking on the rocks close to the ocean during a storm could get you swept of to sea, or ignoring safety barriers and standing right under a glacier could earn you an ice block in the head. |
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 12, 2016 11:37:28 GMT
We go to beaches that are state parks a lot. When we stop at the entrance to pay, they give us a little map. The maps generally will have a list of the major 'rules' (like don't pick the sea oats or touch the turtle nests.) There isn't anything like that for fires?
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Post by Montannie on Jul 12, 2016 15:41:17 GMT
It's time to re-run those old Smokey the Bear commercials again! Drown your campfire, stir the ashes, drown it again!
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Post by 950nancy on Jul 12, 2016 16:13:40 GMT
One problem mentioned is that tourists are coming in to partake of weed and not putting out the fires. We've had so many houses (over 800) burn in just our town over the last few years from carelessness or arson that residents are getting pissed. Well, techincally they can't smoke it in public or in most hotels, so they go to the mountains even though it is illegal on federal land still. I think with the fire ban they have to smoke in a building or in a vehicle right now. I am guessing that some people probably aren't doing that. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 12, 2016 16:25:00 GMT
We go to beaches that are state parks a lot. When we stop at the entrance to pay, they give us a little map. The maps generally will have a list of the major 'rules' (like don't pick the sea oats or touch the turtle nests.) There isn't anything like that for fires? as you go into national parks, yes. Most star parks just have a spot for payment, nor person. There are often signs at entrances, but people don't read those. Also, there are just too many ways to get into the mountains to camp for them to police them all. |
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Post by scrapaddie on Jul 12, 2016 16:36:52 GMT
agreed! how could people be taught better? some people literally don't have the common sense! maybe an illustrated pamphlet on the way in! gina Many would use the pamphlet to hep start their fire, without reading it! , |
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Post by Montannie on Jul 12, 2016 18:56:33 GMT
People get a pamphlet at Yellowstone about how the animals are wild, please don't approach them. We know how well THAT pamphlet works . . .
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Post by basketdiva on Jul 12, 2016 19:06:03 GMT
I've not been camping in ages and I still remember those rules from my Girl Scout years.
Another thing we did was clear a larger space than the size of the fire and keep water closeby in case of sparks and always,always have someone tending the fire.
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Post by kamper on Jul 12, 2016 20:57:31 GMT
OP, Exactly!!!!! and you know those potheads (I'm willing to bet these were MJ tourists) had a cooler full of beer they could have drained water from. These guys knew they needed to put it out but, they were lazy and just put dirt (which contains organic matter) on it. People nearly died! I read an article in The Post about people leaving everything, even their cell phones in the rush to get out. I hope the property owner has them charged with trespassing too.
I don't think we should have to hand out pamphlets to adults for every last thing. Its called personal responsibility.
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Uggggg, last night letting the dogs out it was stinky.....
You wait until it is out.. You pour water on it.. you stomp on it.. you pour more water on it. You don't leave until it is out.... If 'you' don't know how to camp you go with people who know. It takes ONE stupid move to burn down a forest. No excuse... (Of course, my opinion...)
