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Post by peano on Jul 27, 2016 13:57:03 GMT
discuss link After reading the article, I don't know if I agree with this decision, based on his behavior on lengthy supervised visits with his mother. I think someone getting released after committing such a notorious crime needs to exhibit squeaky clean behavior and I don't see that with his past supervised visits. It seems to me that he is getting special consideration because of his privileged background. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 27, 2016 14:02:02 GMT
Nope. He shouldn't be getting out.
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Post by tincin on Jul 27, 2016 14:02:22 GMT
What? Someone with a privileged background being given special treatment? Surely you jest.
Sorry couldn't help myself there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 14:07:28 GMT
The article claims he has exhibited deceptive behavior on his home visits. Is releasing him going to make him honest?
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Post by Woobster on Jul 27, 2016 14:08:38 GMT
I agree, he should stay put.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 14:11:23 GMT
He should never get out.
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Post by mom on Jul 27, 2016 14:16:53 GMT
He should not be getting out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 14:17:10 GMT
I was reading about this just the day (taxi driver is playing on tv). I was horrified to see that's he's been given multiple unsupervised blocks of time at home. They've basically been prepping him for release for awhile. After all, he's just a mental health patient, not a prisoner. He was found not guilty.
I definitely think stricker rules should apply to anyone attempting to harm our law enforcement and presidents. However John hinkley committed his crime at just the right time to slip through the cracks.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jul 27, 2016 14:18:27 GMT
Right now I'm of the opinion that all violent offenders (of any thing) should be jail/hospitalized for life. But I'm a little bias this week.
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Post by lindas on Jul 27, 2016 14:19:57 GMT
discuss link After reading the article, I don't know if I agree with this decision, based on his behavior on lengthy supervised visits with his mother. I think someone getting released after committing such a notorious crime needs to exhibit squeaky clean behavior and I don't see that with his past supervised visits. It seems to me that he is getting special consideration because of his privileged background. Please explain to me what special consideration he's getting and exactly what privileged background he has. So his 90yr old mom lives in a gated community and has about $500,000 including equity in her home. Not much considering her age. I'm not sure I agree with this either but I would like to think that mental illness can be treated and not everyone suffering from a metal illness needs to be locked away for the rest of their life. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 27, 2016 14:21:00 GMT
It's definitely a conditional freedom, not full freedom, but I understand why some would have concerns. Here's another article: www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/john-hinckley-freed/493196/?utm_source=atlfbI'm not really well-read enough on the types of sentences of those who are found guilty by reason of insanity, but if his condition is managed and has been for 20 years, should he still be confined to a mental hospital? I'm not sure. |
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Post by mom on Jul 27, 2016 14:28:35 GMT
It's definitely a conditional freedom, not full freedom, but I understand why some would have concerns. Here's another article: www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/john-hinckley-freed/493196/?utm_source=atlfbI'm not really well-read enough on the types of sentences of those who are found guilty by reason of insanity, but if his condition is managed and has been for 20 years, should he still be confined to a mental hospital? I'm not sure. I have a huge problem with letting someone out who has shown to be deceptive and has lied. Sadly, I dont think we have heard the end of Hinckley. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 27, 2016 14:51:25 GMT
I bet Jodie Foster will be thrilled...
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 27, 2016 14:54:58 GMT
My problem with those saying Hinckley shouldn't be let out is that you are talking about keeping him in a psychiatric treatment facility that isn't providing any benefit to him (based on the doctor's statements) and means that spot is unavailable to another patient who is in need.
I didn't realize his diagnosis included "a raging narcissistic personality disorder" not schizophrenia.
I don't see special privilege being a factor as much as he doesn't really belong full-time in a psychiatric hospital, so what are the options?
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Post by peano on Jul 27, 2016 15:00:25 GMT
discuss link After reading the article, I don't know if I agree with this decision, based on his behavior on lengthy supervised visits with his mother. I think someone getting released after committing such a notorious crime needs to exhibit squeaky clean behavior and I don't see that with his past supervised visits. It seems to me that he is getting special consideration because of his privileged background. Please explain to me what special consideration he's getting and exactly what privileged background he has. So his 90yr old mom lives in a gated community and has about $500,000 including equity in her home. Not much considering her age. I'm not sure I agree with this either but I would like to think that mental illness can be treated and not everyone suffering from a metal illness needs to be locked away for the rest of their life. Although I can't produce any concrete instances (because I'm sick and I don't feel like doing any extra Googling today  ) I'm sure there are LOTS of people rotting away in psych incarceration for way less serious crimes than his. Also if you read the article, you know that he has deviated from what he is supposed to be doing while on supervised release, which is my big concern. I'm sure he is on a shit ton of psych meds and he is still pulling that kind of stuff, which leads me to believe that he won't be easily controlled when released. It sounds like you aren't that familiar with this case. He comes from a privileged background--father was an oil executive. Could be the family's wealth has been diminished with legal fees. Still, he's an upper middle class white male--connect the dots. I have a psych background and I agree with you that not everyone suffering a mental illness should be locked away forever. I'm basing my opinion on the severity of his crime, the nature of his psych illness (some more treatable than others) and as I said previously, his behavior when on supervised release. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 27, 2016 15:11:40 GMT
Please explain to me what special consideration he's getting and exactly what privileged background he has. So his 90yr old mom lives in a gated community and has about $500,000 including equity in her home. Not much considering her age. I'm not sure I agree with this either but I would like to think that mental illness can be treated and not everyone suffering from a metal illness needs to be locked away for the rest of their life. Although I can't produce any concrete instances (because I'm sick and I don't feel like doing any extra Googling today ) I'm sure there are LOTS of people rotting away in psych incarceration for way less serious crimes than his. Also if you read the article, you know that he has deviated from what he is supposed to be doing while on supervised release, which is my big concern. I'm sure he is on a shit ton of psych meds and he is still pulling that kind of stuff, which leads me to believe that he won't be easily controlled when released. It sounds like you aren't that familiar with this case. He comes from a privileged background--father was an oil executive. Could be the family's wealth has been diminished with legal fees. Still, he's an upper middle class white male--connect the dots. I have a psych background and I agree with you that not everyone suffering a mental illness should be locked away forever. I'm basing my opinion on the severity of his crime, the nature of his psych illness (some more treatable than others) and as I said previously, his behavior when on supervised release. I read up on all the restrictions in place. That's a lot of work for the Secret Service, isn't it. Hm. Plus his mom is 90... What happens if she passes? Where does he go? SaveSave |
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Post by peano on Jul 27, 2016 15:19:45 GMT
Although I can't produce any concrete instances (because I'm sick and I don't feel like doing any extra Googling today ) I'm sure there are LOTS of people rotting away in psych incarceration for way less serious crimes than his. Also if you read the article, you know that he has deviated from what he is supposed to be doing while on supervised release, which is my big concern. I'm sure he is on a shit ton of psych meds and he is still pulling that kind of stuff, which leads me to believe that he won't be easily controlled when released. It sounds like you aren't that familiar with this case. He comes from a privileged background--father was an oil executive. Could be the family's wealth has been diminished with legal fees. Still, he's an upper middle class white male--connect the dots. I have a psych background and I agree with you that not everyone suffering a mental illness should be locked away forever. I'm basing my opinion on the severity of his crime, the nature of his psych illness (some more treatable than others) and as I said previously, his behavior when on supervised release. I read up on all the restrictions in place. That's a lot of work for the Secret Service, isn't it. Hm. Plus his mom is 90... What happens if she passes? Where does he go? SaveSaveSock, that was also my initial question too. Toward the end of the article, it says his siblings are willing to supervise him too. |
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 15:24:46 GMT
I think if you get off as not guilty by reason of mental defect the you should go to jail when they decide you are sane.
I know it is not black and white, but damn.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 27, 2016 16:33:10 GMT
My problem with those saying Hinckley shouldn't be let out is that you are talking about keeping him in a psychiatric treatment facility that isn't providing any benefit to him (based on the doctor's statements) and means that spot is unavailable to another patient who is in need. I didn't realize his diagnosis included "a raging narcissistic personality disorder" not schizophrenia. I don't see special privilege being a factor as much as he doesn't really belong full-time in a psychiatric hospital, so what are the options? You're right. They can now move him to prison. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 17:22:00 GMT
My problem with those saying Hinckley shouldn't be let out is that you are talking about keeping him in a psychiatric treatment facility that isn't providing any benefit to him (based on the doctor's statements) and means that spot is unavailable to another patient who is in need. I didn't realize his diagnosis included "a raging narcissistic personality disorder" not schizophrenia. I don't see special privilege being a factor as much as he doesn't really belong full-time in a psychiatric hospital, so what are the options? You're right. They can now move him to prison. Based on...? One of the agents passed in 2014 and it was a homicide because he died from the injuries he sustained from hinkleys bullets. But Hinkley was found not guilty. That not guilty keeps slipping by people. We may not like it but it is what it is. It also brought about reform on the insanity plea. |
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 27, 2016 18:19:32 GMT
My problem with those saying Hinckley shouldn't be let out is that you are talking about keeping him in a psychiatric treatment facility that isn't providing any benefit to him (based on the doctor's statements) and means that spot is unavailable to another patient who is in need. I didn't realize his diagnosis included "a raging narcissistic personality disorder" not schizophrenia. I don't see special privilege being a factor as much as he doesn't really belong full-time in a psychiatric hospital, so what are the options? You're right. They can now move him to prison. He was found not quilty, so that isn't an option. SaveSave |
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) I'm sure there are LOTS of people rotting away in psych incarceration for way less serious crimes than his. Also if you read the article, you know that he has deviated from what he is supposed to be doing while on supervised release, which is my big concern. I'm sure he is on a shit ton of psych meds and he is still pulling that kind of stuff, which leads me to believe that he won't be easily controlled when released. It sounds like you aren't that familiar with this case. He comes from a privileged background--father was an oil executive. Could be the family's wealth has been diminished with legal fees. Still, he's an upper middle class white male--connect the dots.