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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 6, 2016 0:00:36 GMT
There was a group of people acting like asses, booing and chanting while everyone else was trying to listen to the speakers. I watched it, and they were bloody annoying.They have every right to protest, but they don't have the right to block others from listening to the speakers. Apparently you didn't watch it, because no one was booing or blocking others from listening. The convention hadn't even started yet. All it showed was that Hillary paid people to take up seats so there was no room for elected delegates. Which, once again is only a small part of the full story. Signs were on seats, not all were filled with people, there is no evidence that Hillary paid anyone to fill those seats---the Craigslist ad--anyone could have written and I highly doubt that if a party was trying to fill seats, they would advertise it as the Craigslist ad was written, AND---those Bernie supporters and delegates HAD their seats and did not miss out on any of the convention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 0:15:45 GMT
I was responding to this from your post... I realized that and added an ETA, not fast enough, I guess. Seriously, do you have to respond to every.single.thing. we post with "Hillary is just as bad"? I usually just stay out of any pro-Trump threads (well, there aren't very many, are there? let's say anti-Hillary threads, instead) because I don't feel like I need to start an argument with everyone who disagrees with me. That's just it, I DON'T disagree with you and I have no problem with the endless anti-Trump threads. The problem only comes in because we can complain about Trump endlessly, but we can't complain about Hillary without rules applied to where, when, who and how often.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 6, 2016 0:16:54 GMT
I think that it was more likely the DNC, not Hillary. The problem with making this argument (or even participating in the discussion around it) is that are a couple very vocal posters here who believe the following as facts: While -Donald Trump controls his presidential campaign, and -The GOP controls the Republican convention. Instead, -Hillary Clinton controls her campaign, and -Hillary Clinton controls the Democratic convention. And bonus: -Hillary Clinton controls the Democratic primaries and probably the general election. So what's the use?
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 6, 2016 0:24:08 GMT
I think that it was more likely the DNC, not Hillary. The problem with making this argument (or even participating in the discussion around it) is that are a couple very vocal posters here who believe the following as facts: While -Donald Trump controls his presidential campaign, and -The GOP controls the Republican convention. Instead, -Hillary Clinton controls her campaign, and -Hillary Clinton controls the Democratic convention. And bonus: -Hillary Clinton controls the Democratic primaries and probably the general election. So what's the use? That's a strong point, and spot on.. I dunno; sometimes I just can't help myself. ![:blush:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/R6yG4nI0YHiVm0wktwl4.jpg)
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 6, 2016 0:26:30 GMT
That's a strong point, and spot on.. I dunno; sometimes I just can't help myself. ![:blush:](http://i61.tinypic.com/20r9ycp.jpg) Believe me, I understand. I was basically reasoning with myself, too. I need to resist. I got way too sucked in during the last week or so.
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Post by Merge on Aug 6, 2016 2:39:45 GMT
Rather than burden the board with another post about Trump, I'll leave this here: Harvard Republican Club Refuses to Endorse TrumpThey're not endorsing Hillary, either, and I wouldn't expect them to - but I think this a significant statement for them to make that will, unfortunately, be ignored by the people who need to read it most. (And yes, Harvard's Democratic Club has endorsed Hillary - I checked. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) )
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 6, 2016 4:09:11 GMT
Rather than burden the board with another post about Trump, I'll leave this here: Harvard Republican Club Refuses to Endorse TrumpThey're not endorsing Hillary, either, and I wouldn't expect them to - but I think this a significant statement for them to make that will, unfortunately, be ignored by the people who need to read it most. (And yes, Harvard's Democratic Club has endorsed Hillary - I checked. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) ) Here's the beginning of their statement/announcement:
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Post by elaine on Aug 6, 2016 4:16:06 GMT
Rather than burden the board with another post about Trump, I'll leave this here: Harvard Republican Club Refuses to Endorse TrumpThey're not endorsing Hillary, either, and I wouldn't expect them to - but I think this a significant statement for them to make that will, unfortunately, be ignored by the people who need to read it most. (And yes, Harvard's Democratic Club has endorsed Hillary - I checked. ){beating Gia to the punch} That's only because Hillary did something sneaky and told them lies to get their endorsement.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 6, 2016 4:18:12 GMT
Here's the whole thing. I especially appreciate the last paragraph.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 6, 2016 4:39:39 GMT
Wow. That is a strong and well-expressed statement. Thanks for posting.
Of course, Trump will just blow it off and call them losers.
And I wonder ... how many strong statements like this one, from Republicans all over the spectrum, will it take before Trump voters start to understand this election isn't politics as usual, but something far, far different and downright frightening? An existential dilemma, perhaps.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 6, 2016 14:11:34 GMT
The Harvard statement really does express my feelings and concerns perfectly. It's calm, clear, and concise. Very well done.
Thank you so much for posting the link, Merge!
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Post by jayfab on Aug 6, 2016 14:20:37 GMT
Rather than burden the board with another post about Trump, I'll leave this here: Harvard Republican Club Refuses to Endorse TrumpThey're not endorsing Hillary, either, and I wouldn't expect them to - but I think this a significant statement for them to make that will, unfortunately, be ignored by the people who need to read it most. (And yes, Harvard's Democratic Club has endorsed Hillary - I checked. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) ) Thanks for posting. It's so spot on. SaveSave
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Post by GiantsFan on Aug 6, 2016 14:29:04 GMT
Merge Thanks for posting this.
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Post by lovetodigi on Aug 6, 2016 14:31:37 GMT
Rather than burden the board with another post about Trump, I'll leave this here: Harvard Republican Club Refuses to Endorse TrumpThey're not endorsing Hillary, either, and I wouldn't expect them to - but I think this a significant statement for them to make that will, unfortunately, be ignored by the people who need to read it most. (And yes, Harvard's Democratic Club has endorsed Hillary - I checked. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Q_m8lDOvc_3Le3r1GKdf.jpg) ) Thanks for posting. It's so spot on. SaveSaveAgreed! Thanks for posting.
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Post by purplebee on Aug 6, 2016 14:37:46 GMT
I think the Harvard Club letter sums up the feelings of many conservative Americans, in a well-thought-out manner. I do wonder who will get the support of all of the Republicans who cannot support Trump. I am really struggling this year, and cannot find a candidate to get behind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 14:48:38 GMT
Well, Heir Trump was in Des Moines yesterday and from reading a couple first hand accounts this morning and watching the late news last night, he stuck strictly to reading an article and reading from notes, very vanilla except for his attacks on Hillary which brought the requisite "Lock Her Up" with the occasionally "Kill Her". Nice.
I suppose he can run his campaign hoping that the "Kill Her" crowd continues to show up and vote, but it appears that he's lost a good percentage of moderate Republicans. If they don't want to vote for Hillary and stay home, I'm okay with that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 15:45:36 GMT
I watched part of that "read" speech Trump did yesterday.
Who in that campaign thought it was a good idea to attack Hillary by calling her "unhinged" and "unbalanced"? I get the tit for a tat mentality but al least if one is going to do it they should at least make sure they can sort of make a case. One can say a lot of things about Hillary but unhinged is not one of them.
It just makes Trump look even more stupid if that's even possible at this point.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 6, 2016 19:00:43 GMT
Yes, I get the tit for tat, but Trump is the last person to be tossing "unhinged" and "unbalanced" about. There are plenty of verifiable things people can rightly say about Clinton. No need to be throwing around stuff that's just stupid.
Frankly, after reading so much about how bland and unemotional Clinton is, unhinged and unbalanced might be a plus for her at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 20:15:50 GMT
Yes, I get the tit for tat, but Trump is the last person to be tossing "unhinged" and "unbalanced" about. There are plenty of verifiable things people can rightly say about Clinton. No need to be throwing around stuff that's just stupid. Frankly, after reading so much about how bland and unemotional Clinton is, unhinged and unbalanced might be a plus for her at this point. Bland and unemotional. For someone trying to turn around the robotic image she has, perhaps telling the world that she "short circuited" wasn't the best choice of words for her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2016 20:16:04 GMT
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In keeping with "cutting down the number of Trump threads because someone gets upset" I'm posting this article on this thread. Michael Morell former CIA director came out against Trump and is throwing his support behind Hillary. He makes his case why Hillary should be elected and why Trump shouldn't. The reason I'm sharing this article is this one paragraph. "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation". That makes two parties Trump is an "unwitting" agent for. The Russian Federation and KKK and White Supremacist groups. Way to go Trump!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 1:45:23 GMT
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I don't know if the link will work but it's Putin and Trump on horseback. It's worth a chuckle.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 7, 2016 2:40:51 GMT
Yep, he's still an idiot today--
"Stumping in New Hampshire Saturday night, Trump also alleged that the terrorist group ISIS is dreaming of a Clinton presidency. "Remember, remember, remember ISIS is looking, folks. They dream of Hillary Clinton," Trump said. "They look at her and they say this can't be happening to us. How great is this."
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 7, 2016 8:20:48 GMT
Wow. That is a strong and well-expressed statement. Thanks for posting. Of course, Trump will just blow it off and call them losers. And I wonder ... how many strong statements like this one, from Republicans all over the spectrum, will it take before Trump voters start to understand this election isn't politics as usual, but something far, far different and downright frightening? An existential dilemma, perhaps. Because.... no one thinking of voting for Trump understands that this election isn't politics as usual? I'm pretty sure that's the whole point, Lucy. The very idea that the opinion of the Harvard Republican Club means anything to more than 2% of Americans is astounding. It may as well have been published by the Harvard Democratic Club since the main points seem to be copied directly from the DNC. It's going to be a wild ride between now and election day.
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Post by Enna on Aug 7, 2016 16:06:59 GMT
Somebody counted all the lies and it is pretty clear who is the winner in lying. NY TimesThis is getting grazy. I'm starting to believe that Trump is doing this just to make sure that Clinton wins. He was a democrat after all. ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by snowsilver on Aug 7, 2016 16:30:06 GMT
Wow. That is a strong and well-expressed statement. Thanks for posting. Of course, Trump will just blow it off and call them losers. And I wonder ... how many strong statements like this one, from Republicans all over the spectrum, will it take before Trump voters start to understand this election isn't politics as usual, but something far, far different and downright frightening? An existential dilemma, perhaps. Lucy, I am a Republican voter and I WELL understand that this is not politics as usual. I despise Trump. And I probably will vote 3rd party. But the same conscience that tells me I cannot vote for Trump tells me I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton either. Paint her with all the whitewash you like, but for millions like me, she is still corrupt, a liar, completely self-absorbed and duplicitous. And she absolutely does NOT stand for what I believe is best for my country. You find Trump frightening? I find Clinton just as frightening and just as you cannot understand how people like me can't "see the truth" I cannot understand why reasoned, thinking people like you cannot "see the truth" about Hillary and refuse to vote for her. You know what I pray for? For some third party candidate to suddenly appear on the horizon and walk away with it all. For me it would be Condi Rice or someone of her ilk. But I pray constantly that something like this will happen and allow me to vote as I have ALWAYS voted!
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Post by lucyg on Aug 7, 2016 19:33:29 GMT
Wow. That is a strong and well-expressed statement. Thanks for posting. Of course, Trump will just blow it off and call them losers. And I wonder ... how many strong statements like this one, from Republicans all over the spectrum, will it take before Trump voters start to understand this election isn't politics as usual, but something far, far different and downright frightening? An existential dilemma, perhaps. Because.... no one thinking of voting for Trump understands that this election isn't politics as usual? I'm pretty sure that's the whole point, Lucy. The very idea that the opinion of the Harvard Republican Club means anything to more than 2% of Americans is astounding. It may as well have been published by the Harvard Democratic Club since the main points seem to be copied directly from the DNC. It's going to be a wild ride between now and election day. The point is not that it was the Harvard Republican Club that said it. The point is that it is yet one more nail in the coffin. Loyal Republicans of every stripe are coming forward and saying, this man is untenable, he will destroy the country and possibly the world, and I cannot place party ahead of country. It is far more powerful a statement coming from Republicans than from Democrats. You clearly choose not to agree with that thinking, and that's your prerogative. But it doesn't mean I'm going to stop pointing out that more and more indisputably reputable, honorable, patriotic Republicans, well-known and obscure, are saying no to Trump. It's going to be a wild ride between now and election day. Now that is a sentiment I can agree with.
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Post by lucyg on Aug 7, 2016 19:46:53 GMT
Wow. That is a strong and well-expressed statement. Thanks for posting. Of course, Trump will just blow it off and call them losers. And I wonder ... how many strong statements like this one, from Republicans all over the spectrum, will it take before Trump voters start to understand this election isn't politics as usual, but something far, far different and downright frightening? An existential dilemma, perhaps. Lucy, I am a Republican voter and I WELL understand that this is not politics as usual. I despise Trump. And I probably will vote 3rd party. But the same conscience that tells me I cannot vote for Trump tells me I cannot vote for Hillary Clinton either. Paint her with all the whitewash you like, but for millions like me, she is still corrupt, a liar, completely self-absorbed and duplicitous. And she absolutely does NOT stand for what I believe is best for my country. You find Trump frightening? I find Clinton just as frightening and just as you cannot understand how people like me can't "see the truth" I cannot understand why reasoned, thinking people like you cannot "see the truth" about Hillary and refuse to vote for her. You know what I pray for? For some third party candidate to suddenly appear on the horizon and walk away with it all. For me it would be Condi Rice or someone of her ilk. But I pray constantly that something like this will happen and allow me to vote as I have ALWAYS voted! I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I wouldn't ask anyone who truly hates Hillary to vote for her, although you are certainly welcome to if you change your mind. I am only saying that I, and many people who see Trump as a grave danger, including more and more knowledgable Republicans, think that voting for him because he isn't Hillary would be a mistake. That a Trump presidency would be such a threat to world peace, American liberties, and the economy that it's a very risky vote. I fully encourage you to vote third party. That's what I'd be doing if I felt about Hillary the way I feel about Trump. I admit I don't understand the Hillary hate ... I think she's imperfect, but smart, capable, more or less mentally balanced ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) and a normal kind of politician. But I don't insist you toe my Hillary line.
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Aug 7, 2016 22:02:56 GMT
You can hope and pray all you want but a 3rd Party Candidate won't win.
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