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Post by raindancer on Aug 13, 2016 22:46:40 GMT
My dd is a rising freshman. In her section for matching band is a boy with autism. I don't know anything more about him. I have interacted with him briefly over the past week for band camp. No issues.
Last night the section had a party at another students home. When I picked up dd and her friends they were upset that this boy was being pretty agressive towards one of the girls. Getting in her face telling her to tell him who she liked etc. The girls, imo handled it well by giving him clear statements like plead leave me alone, walking away, etc. And ultimately spoke to the parents hosting (not his parents) and they intervened. That did the trick.
However being in their section, they know they will be dealing with him often. They asked me what to do because what if their aren't any adults around or maybe they won't handle it well.
I am not sure. The one friend was really uncomfortable with it, my daughter less so because she has been around an autistic boy in her class since kindergarten.she also takes things less personally than most for her age.
Any suggestions for what to tell the girls?
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Post by MorningPerson on Aug 13, 2016 22:59:36 GMT
My dd is a rising freshman. In her section for matching band is a boy with autism. I don't know anything more about him. I have interacted with him briefly over the past week for band camp. No issues. Last night the section had a party at another students home. When I picked up dd and her friends they were upset that this boy was being pretty agressive towards one of the girls. Getting in her face telling her to tell him who she liked etc. The girls, imo handled it well by giving him clear statements like plead leave me alone, walking away, etc. And ultimately spoke to the parents hosting (not his parents) and they intervened. That did the trick. However being in their section, they know they will be dealing with him often. They asked me what to do because what if their aren't any adults around or maybe they won't handle it well. I am not sure. The one friend was really uncomfortable with it, my daughter less so because she has been around an autistic boy in her class since kindergarten.she also takes things less personally than most for her age. Any suggestions for what to tell the girls? A good start would be making sure the girls know that he didn't choose to be the way he is. Kindness and understanding are great character traits to have, and this seems like a great place to develop them. SaveSave
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Post by raindancer on Aug 13, 2016 23:03:54 GMT
My dd is a rising freshman. In her section for matching band is a boy with autism. I don't know anything more about him. I have interacted with him briefly over the past week for band camp. No issues. Last night the section had a party at another students home. When I picked up dd and her friends they were upset that this boy was being pretty agressive towards one of the girls. Getting in her face telling her to tell him who she liked etc. The girls, imo handled it well by giving him clear statements like plead leave me alone, walking away, etc. And ultimately spoke to the parents hosting (not his parents) and they intervened. That did the trick. However being in their section, they know they will be dealing with him often. They asked me what to do because what if their aren't any adults around or maybe they won't handle it well. I am not sure. The one friend was really uncomfortable with it, my daughter less so because she has been around an autistic boy in her class since kindergarten.she also takes things less personally than most for her age. Any suggestions for what to tell the girls? A good start would be making sure the girls know that he didn't choose to be the way he is. Kindness and understanding are great character traits to have, and this seems like a great place to develop them. SaveSaveI guess I'm not sure what about my post indicates a lack of kindness or understanding? They (the entire section. Of 16 kids) are very kind and patient and include him in their stuff. That's all irrelevant to staying safe, feeling comfortable and them having a good time. I will not allow a pass for aggressive behavior from a boy that in short order will be larger than them and could over power them. There must be a way to handle it and hopefully specialists or parents who have worked with their teens can offer ideas.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 13, 2016 23:08:11 GMT
They need to let the band director know. Autistic or not---there still needs to be expectations of appropriate behaviors. Getting in someone's face to the point that another child/student is afraid is NOT acceptable at all. He doesn't get a pass because he is autistic. Again...band director needs to be told. His parents need to be told. Then go from there.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 13, 2016 23:08:17 GMT
Getting in her face telling her to tell him who she liked etc. Say, "That is none of your business and it is inappropriate at ask." Say it firmly, but not meanly. Walk away if needed. LATER, start a different conversation with the boy so that they are modeling appropriate interactions and he is not being isolated. They can talk to the adult in charge. If the student has an IEP, the teacher will have access to accommodations, but should also have some background as to what helps in this situation. If there is a pattern of this behavior, hopefully the teacher before has mentioned it and the same interventions can continue to be used if they worked before. ETA: The adult should not disclose the contents of the IEP to the students, but if there were words that were used that works, he can share that.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Aug 13, 2016 23:13:52 GMT
I think she should ask her teacher for advice, making it clear that they want to interact positively. He likely cannot tell your daughter specifics, but it will call his attention to the behavior.
The young man may have a behavior plan in place or may need one. The teacher can talk to his case manager. It may be that there is a social worker involved.
I once had a young man who needed social support from peers in class. The social worker came in when the boy was not there to teach the rest of the kids how to respond appropriately and consistently. All of this with parent permission and within the law, of course. The kids did a great job helping him learn appropriate behavior and they felt good doing it.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 13, 2016 23:16:15 GMT
Ok. My first inclination was to have them talk to the teacher but since this happened after hours so to speak, I was second guessing myself.
The kids all like him and they just want to be able to have fun and work with him.
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Post by mom on Aug 13, 2016 23:22:21 GMT
Ok. My first inclination was to have them talk to the teacher but since this happened after hours so to speak, I was second guessing myself. The kids all like him and they just want to be able to have fun and work with him. No, listen to your little voice. Start there: have daughter talk to the director. Tell him that it was uncomfortable and would like to know whats the best way to handle it in the future. The Director probably already knows that the boy can be 'in your face' sometimes. This wont be news to him. But if the director sees it can potentially be a problem maybe he can give her some directions on how to handle it. Also, telling the director now will give him a heads up to keep an eye on things. Also? If things were to escalate later, you can show that you made the director aware of the problem and reached out for help.
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Post by MorningPerson on Aug 13, 2016 23:23:32 GMT
A good start would be making sure the girls know that he didn't choose to be the way he is. Kindness and understanding are great character traits to have, and this seems like a great place to develop them. SaveSaveI guess I'm not sure what about my post indicates a lack of kindness or understanding? And I guess I'm not sure where I indicated that there was a lack of kindness or understanding. I was just responding to your request for suggestions on what to tell the girls. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 23:43:19 GMT
A good start would be making sure the girls know that he didn't choose to be the way he is. Kindness and understanding are great character traits to have, and this seems like a great place to develop them. SaveSaveI guess I'm not sure what about my post indicates a lack of kindness or understanding? They (the entire section. Of 16 kids) are very kind and patient and include him in their stuff. That's all irrelevant to staying safe, feeling comfortable and them having a good time. I will not allow a pass for aggressive behavior from a boy that in short order will be larger than them and could over power them. There must be a way to handle it and hopefully specialists or parents who have worked with their teens can offer ideas. raindancer, your reply is spot on.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 14, 2016 0:21:07 GMT
If the boy is making the girls uncomfortable, it's important. Validate the girls concerns. And they can go a long way to helping this boy learn appropriate social interaction.
My DS has Asperger's, which now has been added under the umbrella of autism. With him, I would just be very direct. "DS, that is not a polite question. It is making others uncomfortable. Ask about xyz instead." He basically has a list in his mind of social questions and responses at the ready.
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Post by 2peafaithful on Aug 14, 2016 0:27:58 GMT
I think they handled it well. I think making an adult aware is a good idea. If it continues I would talk to the parents so that they are aware. Having a son that is on the spectrum I like to have knowledge of situations earlier on than not because sometimes with some specific things put in place it helps it not progress to another level. Clear boundaries with kindness and some affirmation that you aren't in trouble or being asked to leave (his anxiety can go through the roof if he fears that) but XYZ is a better choice.
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Post by scrappychick on Aug 14, 2016 0:29:42 GMT
I also have a child with high functioning autism. With my DS, being straightforward is always the best approach. "That's not an appropriate question, and I would also prefer if you could take a step back, and respect my personal space."
Talking with the band director is good, but they could also talk to the school psychologist. Ask for tips on how to deal with the student in the most appropriate way, and they (the psych.) could also address the behaviors with the student privately.
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Post by AnotherPea on Aug 14, 2016 0:30:47 GMT
One of the best things I've been taught in trainings is that disabled children can be naughty just like non-disabled children. I agree with going with your instincts and letting the director know.
And continue to let the director know. Because oftentimes teachers are strong-armed into accepting unacceptable behavior, at the expense of other students, simply because a child has a disability. The more concerns shared by parents, the more the director will be able to address the situation.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Aug 14, 2016 0:56:17 GMT
As the mom of a 20 year-old DS with autism, I appreciate your question. It sounds like the kids are very kind and want to include him. I agree with talking to the band director and if you know the parents maybe them as well. Social skills are poor with autistic kids, but they can learn. I would never want anybody to feel uncomfortable around my DS due to his behavior, and the girls have every right to have his behavior addressed. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss what is appropriate behavior around classmates with my DS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 1:01:10 GMT
This hasn't been mentioned yet, but many times ASD kids will act differently in social situations due to being socially akward, anxiety, etc. Many may not have had proper social intervention which is key. If parents or others do not inform asd parents they may not know how their child acts.
Dd has aspergers and ds has autism. Its always a work in progress but please do talk to the band director and parents so they all know what is going on.
Majority of us parents want to know so we can talk to our kids and see where to woek on certain skill sets.
Many asd kids have spacial awareness issues. So please remind your daufhter to say please step.back and that is a personal question, please do not.ask again.
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Post by raindancer on Aug 14, 2016 1:29:54 GMT
I really appreciate the feed back. I volunteered with his father and he is a great guy so I feel like I could approach him with this as well and will.
I will also tell my daughter to remind him about personal space, and will have them talk to the teacher as well as the school counselor for help in how to best meet his needs.
They really do like him and even said "we tried not to be rude but he was scaring her". One of the girls boyfriends said he would beat him up to stop him and so we talked about why that was not an appropriate response or the way to handle it. The girls agreed that they don't want an altercation of that kind and that they told the boyfriend no. They then went to the parents. I am proud of them and how they all handled it. I am glad the boyfriend was feeling protective but realized that wouldn't be the way to handle it.
I think it will be workable. And that everyone can learn from the experience. I think everyone has skills to gain here, and it's just an opportunity to grow and be better people all around.
Again, thank you!
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Post by raindancer on Aug 14, 2016 1:33:14 GMT
I guess I'm not sure what about my post indicates a lack of kindness or understanding? And I guess I'm not sure where I indicated that there was a lack of kindness or understanding. I was just responding to your request for suggestions on what to tell the girls. SaveSaveSaveSaveFair enough. I guess your ccomment got my hackles up because I don't believe that when a girl is being harrassed, by anyone, that the correct response is to be nice. Telling girls to be nice when they weren't doing anything to the boy doesn't make sense. He was the one not being nice.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 14, 2016 2:38:56 GMT
This is going to possibly sound stupid but here goes anyway ( know I mean this from a hopefully helpful perspective )
Marching band it self is all about spacial awareness, so the boy has spatial awareness skills. If he can march then he knows how to keep his dot and stay in his space, his 'dot' in the formation.
And depending on what he plays ( hopefully not something tiny ) I'm sure he knows that there's a space around him required for instrumentation while he is in those formations. So, assuming he didn't intend to be rude, what he needs is a way to translate those skills that he has from marching to social situations. Because if he can keep formations in marching band he does have the skill to place himself appropriate distances from others. He simply needs to see how to apply that skill off the field.
Perhaps the kids could utilize marching band cues and language for gentle reminders. ie: hey Bob I'd be more comfortable if we kept Trumpet/tuba/trombone/ whatever instrument space between us. Etc.
If he meant to be too close, if he meant to be intimidating that's a whole different problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 2:41:24 GMT
When my dd was in fifth grade a boy with autism who is in her class told her that he loved her. He wanted them to be boyfriend and girlfriend. Dd told him no. She said she didn't want a boyfriend and she was too young to date anyone. He kept telling her this and she kept telling him no. He even told her that when they got to middle school and went to dances that she was going to dance every dance with him. She told him that she wouldn't do that and he still wouldn't stop. He started to prevent other kids from sitting near dd at lunch. At first she didn't say anything to me but it just kept getting worse and she was very uncomfortable. The hard part was this boy's parents thought his behavior was cute. The mom even told me that she thought it was great that he told my dd that he loved her. We finally went to the school counselor and she had a long conversation with the boy. He started leaving dd alone after that. She was never mean to the boy but he never would take no for an answer.
My advice would be to let the teacher know and probably the school counselor. They may be able to have a conversation with the boy. Your dd and the other girls don't need to feel uncomfortable and the boy needs to learn about appropriate conversations.
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Post by mom2rjcr on Aug 14, 2016 3:29:38 GMT
I am the parent of an college aged son with autism. When he asks something inappropriate we remind him that it is not nice to ask those kinds of questions and talk about what things can be appropriate to ask. If I had to give any advice it would be to have the girls tell him that is not a nice question and he shouldn't ask it. And then walk away. Of course, telling an adult goes without saying. I tell my DS that just because you have autism doesn't give you a free pass to be an asshole.
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Post by katiejane on Aug 14, 2016 11:56:00 GMT
I suppose explaining that he may not understand personal space, tone or impolite questions. Is a good place to start. I would of told them in that situation to tell him that he was standing too close and they should step back. Tell him that the question is rude and they were not going to answer it. They could then try to re-engage him with a different topic. But sometimes ASD children struggle to change topic quickly, so moving away and then coming back later can help.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 22:52:25 GMT
This is going to possibly sound stupid but here goes anyway ( know I mean this from a hopefully helpful perspective ) Marching band it self is all about spacial awareness, so the boy has spatial awareness skills. If he can march then he knows how to keep his dot and stay in his space, his 'dot' in the formation. And depending on what he plays ( hopefully not something tiny ) I'm sure he knows that there's a space around him required for instrumentation while he is in those formations. So, assuming he didn't intend to be rude, what he needs is a way to translate those skills that he has from marching to social situations. Because if he can keep formations in marching band he does have the skill to place himself appropriate distances from others. He simply needs to see how to apply that skill off the field. Perhaps the kids could utilize marching band cues and language for gentle reminders. ie: hey Bob I'd be more comfortable if we kept Trumpet/tuba/trombone/ whatever instrument space between us. Etc. If he meant to be too close, if he meant to be intimidating that's a whole different problem. As a mom to 2 kids on the spectrum there is a HUGE difference between social space and being told stay here and march. Again it has to do with rules. Social rules are VERY hard for many asd kids to understand. Standing in line. Talking to a friend. Etc My daughter rides horses. An instructor has worked with her to stay 2 horse kengths away from another horse while riding. She understands that as it is a very concrete. Social situatuons are anything from concrete. And you have to work over.and.over and over to grasp a.small part of what is ok and safe and expected. So just because.he may be able.to stay on his dot, its completely different when at a party. Unless the mom.is there at every event explaing, teaching, abaing or floortiming her son, it wont be the same.
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Post by Outspoken on Aug 14, 2016 23:07:53 GMT
My dd is a rising freshman. In her section for matching band is a boy with autism. I don't know anything more about him. I have interacted with him briefly over the past week for band camp. No issues. Last night the section had a party at another students home. When I picked up dd and her friends they were upset that this boy was being pretty agressive towards one of the girls. Getting in her face telling her to tell him who she liked etc. The girls, imo handled it well by giving him clear statements like plead leave me alone, walking away, etc. And ultimately spoke to the parents hosting (not his parents) and they intervened. That did the trick. However being in their section, they know they will be dealing with him often. They asked me what to do because what if their aren't any adults around or maybe they won't handle it well. I am not sure. The one friend was really uncomfortable with it, my daughter less so because she has been around an autistic boy in her class since kindergarten.she also takes things less personally than most for her age. Any suggestions for what to tell the girls? A good start would be making sure the girls know that he didn't choose to be the way he is. Kindness and understanding are great character traits to have, and this seems like a great place to develop them.SaveSaveThis sentence sounded a little accusatory to me. Like you were saying the girls were not ALREADY kind and understanding. I Realize that you have responded to Raindancer already but I thought if this is how I read it at first, maybe she did as well.
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Post by MorningPerson on Aug 14, 2016 23:23:28 GMT
A good start would be making sure the girls know that he didn't choose to be the way he is. Kindness and understanding are great character traits to have, and this seems like a great place to develop them.SaveSaveThis sentence sounded a little accusatory to me. Like you were saying the girls were not ALREADY kind and understanding. I Realize that you have responded to Raindancer already but I thought if this is how I read it at first, maybe she did as well. OK, well if two of you read it that way maybe I should have said it differently. What I meant and still mean is that first of all the girls should know that their bandmate did not choose to have autism. And that kindness and understanding are important. As I said, that is just a place to start in the discussion of how to handle it. Others have chimed in on the specifics of what to do next. SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by mlynn on Aug 15, 2016 1:59:53 GMT
Yes, the girls should be aware that kindness and understanding are important. However they also need to be aware that they do not have to be victim to inappropriate behaviors. As they get further into puberty, it can even turn into sexual type situations.
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Post by Grom Pea on Aug 15, 2016 4:13:09 GMT
Not that I have adv autistic teen but from my reading I've heard autistic people say that they are not offended by being matter of fact. If the girls were concerned they might be perceived as rude, I don't think that will be an issue, she could just say that his being so close makes her uncomfortable and the question is inappropriate and she will not answer it. Most people might be taken aback of you said they were being inappropriate, but I think this boy might just take it at face value and not be offended. But I think this is a good lesson for interacting with any boys, autistic or not, a girl should never let herself feel uncomfortable just to not appear to be rude. I'd rather be perceived as rude than be harassed or feel harassed by someone even if it's unintentional.
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Post by LeaP on Aug 15, 2016 5:05:24 GMT
I would talk to the boys parents and ask them what they suggest.
Many moons ago my daughter smacked a boy who has Aspergers when he got in her face. It was the beginning of two amazing friendships, mine with his mother and my daughter's with the boy. The mom and I got together and used it as a teaching moment. Since then, they have been friends, good friends who can confide their fears to each other. This summer's question was will somebody ever love me?
The girls shouldn't hesitate to call out obnoxious behavior. The aggressiveness you describe sounds a bit like monomania. Sometimes switching gears can be difficult for autistic kids.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2016 12:34:21 GMT
I second being straight forwars, matter of fact. Asd/aspies understand concrete. They dont understand wishy washy answers and it doesnt help them learn social situation behaviors.
I will post a video my daughters teachers had classes watch on what it is like to be a teen with autism. It talks about the friend saying that isnt appropriate and the asd child being appreciative because they dont kbow that it isnt.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Aug 15, 2016 12:54:29 GMT
My son is on the spectrum. He's 13yo and he doesn't do well with social cues. You have to be straight forward with him, then he gets it. He doesn't understand personal space, we're working on it, and he wants to hug EVERYONE because EVERYONE is his friend. Again, working on it. I'd tell the girls to be gentle but direct and get the teacher involved. As someone mentioned, the boy probably has an IEP which would outline how to handle situations with him.
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