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Post by lesstalkmoreart on Sept 1, 2016 2:57:49 GMT
I don't have any investment in Tracie either way, but in more than one place I've read - she's defending herself. Don't you know people like this IRL, explaining why it wasn't their fault (again)...
Don't buy my classes, others will.
What a way to lose a potential follower - to act so entitled as to believe she will always have customers? Wow. But I will say, that's some damn confidence, so there's that I guess.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 1, 2016 3:07:12 GMT
I don't have any investment in Tracie either way, but in more than one place I've read - she's defending herself. Don't you know people like this IRL, explaining why it wasn't their fault (again)... Don't buy my classes, others will.What a way to lose a potential follower - to act so entitled as to believe she will always have customers? Wow. But I will say, that's some damn confidence, so there's that I guess. I love your name...I think that it fits well under these circumstances.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Sept 1, 2016 3:13:44 GMT
lesstalkmoreart - See it as arrogant if you want but I would rather people not listen to my shows if the minute they disagree with me, they have a 12 hour conversation about how horrible a human being I am.
I'm not living my life trying to please everyone because that's just not possible. Between 10K-12K people a week listen to me to hear my opinions so I'm gonna keep giving them and along the way, I'm sure there will be a lot who disagree with me. I am quite positive not one of my critics here has ever purchased a class from me or had any intention of doing so. I'm not perfect, I apologized for the wording of my post but at some point, I have to just accept that a lot of people won't like me. It's all okay. I have to let it go.
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Post by lesstalkmoreart on Sept 1, 2016 4:40:53 GMT
lesstalkmoreart - See it as arrogant if you want but I would rather people not listen to my shows if the minute they disagree with me, they have a 12 hour conversation about how horrible a human being I am.
It's pretty clear that's an exaggeration. Well, to me at least.
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Post by lesstalkmoreart on Sept 1, 2016 4:41:37 GMT
I don't have any investment in Tracie either way, but in more than one place I've read - she's defending herself. Don't you know people like this IRL, explaining why it wasn't their fault (again)... Don't buy my classes, others will.What a way to lose a potential follower - to act so entitled as to believe she will always have customers? Wow. But I will say, that's some damn confidence, so there's that I guess. I love your name...I think that it fits well under these circumstances. Aw, thanks
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Post by peachiceteas on Sept 1, 2016 6:10:03 GMT
It sounds to me that someone enjoys creating all this drama and hype around how she is 'hated', and she has 'haters' and how we are all talking about how horrible she is. Sounds to me like someone wants to be talked about and enjoys the notoriety.
All that has been said are versions of that she's hand slapping people for having an opinion and she doesn't realise how hypocritical she looks right now. People have also commented that because of this hand slapping and arrogant nature, they won't be supporting her podcasts anymore.
Nobody has said that she is a horrible person? Nobody has personally attacked this person? Can't see what the big deal is myself. She provoked it, people responded.
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Post by Night Owl on Sept 1, 2016 6:37:26 GMT
Tracie Claiborne used to post at Scrap Smack too, so I am not buying that she doesn't like negativity and drama as she seems to enjoy being in the center of it.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 1, 2016 6:53:32 GMT
Why are you saying things ANYWHERE that you have to hide behind a user name? That's the problem, right there. People who are nice don't have to hide behind anonymity. Please do report me. Have me banned from here. I need an excuse to never come here again which is sad because so many people I truly care about post here but the haters are here too. That's why I stick to FB 99% of the time. Because I can see who I'm dealing with. You are such a freaking hypocrite. How many times did you get caught accidentally posting under your own name and then deleting your comments on the old smack blog? Of course, you've always claimed that your comments were super innocent, but I have always wondered why you deleted if they were innocent? Why weren't YOU willing to stand behind the comments you made under your own name? You have a history of being nasty and then playing victim when you get called on it. You present this super virtuous front and accuse others of bullying and ugliness....all while engaging in the same behavior. This is, what? The third or fourth or fifth time this has come up with you? I read your posts and think, "the lady doth protest too much."
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Post by peachiceteas on Sept 1, 2016 7:02:11 GMT
You're making assumptions about me because you THINK you know me and you don't. I was waiting for someone to give me a valid reason that people feel so entitled to an opinion. [ Here is the answer you've been looking for. Why do I feel so entitled to have an opinion on Becky? Because I am entitled to have any opinion I choose. Which is exactly what you have also said in this thread, that you're entitled to your opinion. We are all entitled to our opinions. You having listeners to your podcast does not make your opinion more valid than anyone else's in the world.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Sept 1, 2016 7:26:53 GMT
You're all right. You got me. I started a conversation on that FB group HOPING AND PRAYING someone would copy and paste it here. I said, "Oh dear God, please let someone be bored enough with their life that they will just copy and paste every word I've said so I can tick off a bunch of the former Peas." Yep...my dream came true. I love to stir up drama. Being told off on here for now, what are we going on, 14 hours? It has really made my day. I just sit around wondering what I can do to stir the pot. Daily, really. That's what I live for...drama.
Yep...that makes total sense. Listen, do you people not have anything better to do than to continue to tell me off? Really? I know there are some that the hatred goes WAY back, back to the days of Two Peas and there's nothing I can do to change it but really, it seems a bit much. I am guilty of having the audacity to have a conversation somewhere else and saying that I think many people think they should be able to decide how someone like Becky does business. That was my point. The point has been twisted and trampled on now. Continuing to berate me and tell me how clueless I am and how nasty and hypocritical I am...what is the point? Does it make you feel better about yourself? I guess so. You really all must be bored to continue to talk about me this long.
I get it. Some of you think I'm horrible, overly opinionated, hypocritical, a drama queen, let's see what else, hateful, nasty, etc. You've said it. I hear you. I have listened. You have been heard.
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Post by QueSeraSera on Sept 1, 2016 8:02:03 GMT
You're all right. You got me. I started a conversation on that FB group HOPING AND PRAYING someone would copy and paste it here. I said, "Oh dear God, please let someone be bored enough with their life that they will just copy and paste every word I've said so I can tick off a bunch of the former Peas." Yep...my dream came true. I love to stir up drama. Being told off on here for now, what are we going on, 14 hours? It has really made my day. I just sit around wondering what I can do to stir the pot. Daily, really. That's what I live for...drama. Yep...that makes total sense. Listen, do you people not anything better to do than to continue to tell me off? Really? I know there are some that the hatred goes WAY back, back to the days of Two Peas and there's nothing I can do to change it but really, it seems a bit much. I am guilty of having the audacity to have a conversation somewhere else and saying that I think many people think they should be able to decide how someone like Becky does business. That was my point. The point has been twisted and trampled on now. Continuing to berate me and tell me how clueless I am and how nasty and hypocritical I am...what is the point? Does it make you feel better about yourself? I guess so. You really all must be bored to continue to talk about me this long. I get it. Some of you think I'm horrible, overly opinionated, hypocritical, a drama queen, let's see what else, hateful, nasty, etc. You've said it. I hear you. I have listened. You have been heard. 3:30 am your time. But it is everyone else that is obsessed? I really do not get your view of the world. You seem sweet and like a southern lady in your podcasts. What is happening to you here? I guess this the real you imploding before our eyes? For the record I didn't know you at 2peas nor did I have any animus towards you. You are creating a narrative that appears to be grounded in hyberbole and not reality. Best of luck Tracie. ~ signed a former listener, podcast donor, and BPC class participant. One last thing I thought of - people have LONG memories in this industry. You should take a page out of Kelly Purkey's book. She is still dealing with some occasional fallout from an incident that turned ugly years ago. She came here and in my opinion handled it with grace and dignity. She apologized and moved on. Trust me - I guarantee you will one day regret your behaviour here. Don't make the pill more jagged.
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Post by peachiceteas on Sept 1, 2016 10:13:38 GMT
I am done but I just wanted to say that not at any point has anyone called you nasty, horrible, or anything along those lines. Not once has anyone called you a bad person.
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 1, 2016 10:33:45 GMT
I don't think the person who copied and pasted your post over here was any more bored than you were for copying a topic (apparently more than once) and taking it to discuss in a different place.
You apologized for how you worded it, but stand behind what you said.
I don't recall (with the exception of one post that I asked the poster to delete) anyone saying nasty things, that they hate you, you're a horrible person, or you can't have an opinion. What most people are saying is you are a hypocrite:
Someone must be bored to copy my post (you copied the topic and took it elsewhere)
How dare "those people" have an opinion (then you gave your opinion and asked others for theirs)
You are not understanding what people are saying.
You said all you wanted was to know why people felt "entitled" to give opinions. This would never have blown up had you asked THE PEOPLE GIVING THOSE OPINIONS HERE instead of, to paraphrase you, being so bored as to copy the topic to take somewhere else. You said you didn't post on your own page because you knew there were Peas on it. How is that not trying to hide? You know, what you accused someone else of doing. You purposely went to a different group.
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Post by anonrefugee on Sept 1, 2016 11:45:04 GMT
TracieClaiborne learning of your comments has been disappointing. I've enjoyed offerings on your site and here. But, I do not understand how you see discussion about products and marketing as a personal attack on the owner. We are on this board because we want the industry to thrive, listening to customer feedback should be part of every business plan. If my reference to her meeting Lisa Berenson bothered you, we can discuss it. It wasn't a criticism. Yes, in the last day I made a more personal reply about the video. This is the image Becky Higgins, The Company, choose to represent themselves. I commented on the Trivago man being awkward two years ago, and no one felt the need to defend him. I don't see it IRL, so this kind of thing shocks me. If a business colleague declared a critique invalid, saying it was mean or jealous, they would be laughed out of the room! If these are the scrapbook industry "insiders" then it's no wonder it is dying. Their own small-minded attitude is killing it. I am not bashing the fan girls. I have scrappers I just "like". But when they become a business and want our dollars it's a different situation. Please respect the difference Tracie. You give much to this community, and I don't want to lose you.
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Post by all5ofme on Sept 1, 2016 11:58:50 GMT
Between 10K-12K people a week listen to me to hear my opinions so I'm gonna keep giving them. Post from last month. A record 7,645 listens. Can I share some exciting news with you? Our listenership keeps growing and it is fun and exciting to see what it is each week. In the past 7 days, we broke a record again and I am excited to tell you that we had 7,645 listens! So if you are someone who has ever told anyone about the Scrap Gals, THANK YOU. We appreciate it. If you have never shared about our show with anyone, would you? If you know a scrapbooker, please tell them. If all 2,686 of you would get one person to listen and they joined this group, that would help us have the numbers we need to get a really great sponsor. I'm currently working 15-20 hours per week on podcasting so having a sponsor would really help to give me a little bit of financial security and also repay Tiffany for the time and gas she invests in the Scrap Gals. Just wanted to say thanks to you all for your loyalty and support. It was exciting to see that number and know we are growing!
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Post by anonrefugee on Sept 1, 2016 12:31:33 GMT
And this is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post about criticism in certain groups. I choose not to participate in groups that stifle any criticism and it should go both way for those who don't want to see it. It's select critism in that group. She will criticize Michael's Recollection line, WRMK typewriter, Epson PictureMate printers, remove comments where someone posts an unfavorable opinion about designers of scrapbook lines. Yes, it is her group and she can moderate as she chooses, but it's obvious to me the whole intent behind that scence.... 'defend'/'suck up' to designers so she can try to convince them to be on one of her podcasts. It all boils down to is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.... There once was a real, living Michael, does she post her criticism on separate board to spare his living family? Edited due to interruption: I know that's a little much, but where would it stop? I've just reread the last day. I see a lot of RefuPeas talking about a concept, wanting to have good products and voicing opinions. And one that turned it into a personality show. I'm so glad the majority wants to have this place to discuss trends, products and ideas!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 13:58:50 GMT
Tracie, I love you. Imperfections and all. I think you just need to agree to disagree and not keep trying to have the last word.
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Post by Linda on Sept 1, 2016 14:49:09 GMT
this thread makes me sad.
I'll be honest, I lurked for 10 years at the old 2Peas site because the drama and the 'mean girls' kept me from posting (I had @500 posts in those 10 years). The Refupeas seemed to be the kinder, friendlier version. This thread reminds me of 2Peas -and not in a good way.
Not here to defend anyone. I think taking discussions from one place to discuss at another CAN be done in a respectful way - hey we were talking about x in another group and I wondered what folks here think? But when it's a opportunity to gossip/make fun of/bully/criticise PEOPLE from another site - that's crossing the line, imo.
I don't think it was nice of Tracie to post about our site elsewhere the way she did. But I also don't think it was nice for her post from there to be copied and posted here for us to pick apart either.
Can we just agree to disagree, shake hands, and move on?
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Post by mom on Sept 1, 2016 14:58:51 GMT
It's select critism in that group. She will criticize Michael's Recollection line, WRMK typewriter, Epson PictureMate printers, remove comments where someone posts an unfavorable opinion about designers of scrapbook lines. Yes, it is her group and she can moderate as she chooses, but it's obvious to me the whole intent behind that scence.... 'defend'/'suck up' to designers so she can try to convince them to be on one of her podcasts. It all boils down to is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.... There once was a real, living Michael, does she post her criticism on separate board to spare his living family? Edited due to interruption: I know that's a little much, but where would it stop? I've just reread the last day. I see a lot of RefuPeas talking about a concept, wanting to have good products and voicing opinions. And one that turned it into a personality show. I'm so glad the majority wants to have this place to discuss trends, products and ideas! I would say, no. She won't. I am sure she would just create a private video like she did to criticize WR Memory Keepers and American Crafts. Then encourage people to privately contact her so she can provide the link. Another example of the backstabbing she participates in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 15:20:43 GMT
There once was a real, living Michael, does she post her criticism on separate board to spare his living family? Edited due to interruption: I know that's a little much, but where would it stop? I've just reread the last day. I see a lot of RefuPeas talking about a concept, wanting to have good products and voicing opinions. And one that turned it into a personality show. I'm so glad the majority wants to have this place to discuss trends, products and ideas! I would say, no. She won't. I am sure she would just create a private video like she did to criticize WR Memory Keepers and American Crafts. Then encourage people to privately contact her so she can provide the link. Another example of the backstabbing she participates in. That just rubbed me so wrong. Because she wants to get in with AC or something at some point so she won't take her very real criticisms public. SaveSave
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 1, 2016 15:32:10 GMT
I would say, no. She won't. I am sure she would just create a private video like she did to criticize WR Memory Keepers and American Crafts. Then encourage people to privately contact her so she can provide the link. Another example of the backstabbing she participates in. That just rubbed me so wrong. Because she wants to get in with AC or something at some point so she won't take her very real criticisms public. SaveSaveNo...she's no dummy. The problem is, she doesn't understand that it doesn't matter how many companies with deep pockets she ends up affiliating with, if she alienates her customer base, those people will avoid buying her stuff just because her name is tied to it. It's a shame she doesn't get it. She should be treating both her customers (existing and potential) AND businesses with the utmost respect, not clinging to one and bad mouthing the other.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 1, 2016 15:46:35 GMT
It's select critism in that group. She will criticize Michael's Recollection line, WRMK typewriter, Epson PictureMate printers, remove comments where someone posts an unfavorable opinion about designers of scrapbook lines. Yes, it is her group and she can moderate as she chooses, but it's obvious to me the whole intent behind that scence.... 'defend'/'suck up' to designers so she can try to convince them to be on one of her podcasts. It all boils down to is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.... There once was a real, living Michael, does she post her criticism on separate board to spare his living family? Edited due to interruption: I know that's a little much, but where would it stop? I've just reread the last day. I see a lot of RefuPeas talking about a concept, wanting to have good products and voicing opinions. And one that turned it into a personality show. I'm so glad the majority wants to have this place to discuss trends, products and ideas! The irony is that AC produces much of the Recollections brand.
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Post by nicolep on Sept 1, 2016 17:25:48 GMT
I'm so glad the majority wants to have this place to discuss trends, products and ideas! AMEN! This is all I truly and honestly care about here! I found this board several months ago and I ENJOY it so much!
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 1, 2016 18:36:45 GMT
I got into it with TracieClaiborne on the old 2peas and I have no memory of why. But I was so happy when I saw she found her way over here back when this board started. I was SO happy to see anyone make it over here
I like drama and contrasting opinions, but I don't want to see anyone of us get so frustrated or mad that they leave. I still miss MrsT and I was no fan of anything she ever said.
Are the smack blogs still around? Every one I ever saw got so taken over with spam that they were impossible to follow. On one of them I got called a bitch and other things because of something I posted about my DH on NSBR, but I responded that yes, I was being a bitch and never saw anymore about it. I mean, sometimes it would have been good if people felt they could express themselves negatively on NSBR so they didn't have to do it on the blogs. When I read them there was the Pub board at 2 peas and most of the people that got smacked were regulars over there.
BTW, how does one become a certified scrapbook instructor?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 20:25:00 GMT
When I first saw the back and forth I decided to just let it go and come back later. It's like cancelling SC....I thought long and hard before I cancelled 2 of my 3 subs. Most everyone had good advice for Tracie and seeing her responses was disappointing. I wasn't a fan girl at all but I listened to the podcasts and joined her FB group (for the hobby's sake, rather than because of her). I'm also a former listener/member after seeing this.
And rather than saying "good riddance" to us, IMO it would behoove her to stop and think about the spheres of influence and type of demographic ($$disposable income$$) many of us have. Those spheres of influence are basically why this blew up on her in the first place.
And hey - I think the respectful sharing of opinions here is awesome! I also thought 2Peas was kind of a scary place and lacked a lot of respect at times.
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Post by Leone on Sept 1, 2016 21:29:16 GMT
I have taken two classes from Becky. Ive had the opportunity to take classes from almost all of the industries stars. I can say without hesitation, her work was embarassingly lame...at CKU in Orlando. i felt the examples she put up on the screen were going to be the joke of what not to do. They were terrible and unfinished. The second class was in a CKC in Mesa AZ. Her fabulous new technique was to cut an inch line on the side of your layout, bend it back and put a brad in it....that was it! She really thought she was a creative genius. Project Life has to go down as just about the most boring attrmpt at scrapbooking since sticker sneeze.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2016 23:52:47 GMT
I have taken two classes from Becky. Ive had the opportunity to take classes from almost all of the industries stars. I can say without hesitation, her work was embarassingly lame...at CKU in Orlando. i felt the examples she put up on the screen were going to be the joke of what not to do. They were terrible and unfinished. The second class was in a CKC in Mesa AZ. Her fabulous new technique was to cut an inch line on the side of your layout, bend it back and put a brad in it....that was it! She really thought she was a creative genius. Project Life has to go down as just about the most boring attrmpt at scrapbooking since sticker sneeze. Can't speak to Becky's classes, but I quite like the idea of PL. Just not the current quality of the mini-kits - way too flimsy for me. But I really love having pocketed pages as an option alongside 12x12. And I just make my own kits w/my stash and a few card dies and other embellishments. Win win - great page layout options, plus using my stash.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 2, 2016 0:08:03 GMT
I have taken two classes from Becky. Ive had the opportunity to take classes from almost all of the industries stars. I can say without hesitation, her work was embarassingly lame...at CKU in Orlando. i felt the examples she put up on the screen were going to be the joke of what not to do. They were terrible and unfinished. The second class was in a CKC in Mesa AZ. Her fabulous new technique was to cut an inch line on the side of your layout, bend it back and put a brad in it....that was it! She really thought she was a creative genius. Project Life has to go down as just about the most boring attrmpt at scrapbooking since sticker sneeze. Can't speak to Becky's classes, but I quite like the idea of PL. Just not the current quality of the mini-kits - way to flimsy for me. But I really love having pocketed pages as an option alongside 12x12. And I just make my own kits w/my stash and a few card dies and other embellishments. Win win - great page layout options, plus using my stash. PL is great. I just think kit clubs are doing it better than she is. Square corners give options...rounded corners can't be squared anymore than you can glue your hair back on if it is cut too short...but I also get that is a part of what makes her brand unique to her. Quality is continuing to decline and as much as I love many kits, I am tired of paying for product that shouldn't have passed quality control. My finished pl album is my most favorite project of ANYTHING I have created and her ability to mainstream pocket scrapbooking was genius. I wish I didn't feel the way I do about her brand because of that, but I do. Before PL, I hated cut apart sheets and found them useless. I immediately used up the b side if it wasn't double sided cut aparts just so I could stop looking at it and being annoyed. Now they are my favorite papers!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 2, 2016 0:23:34 GMT
PL is great. I just think kit clubs are doing it better than she is. Square corners give options...rounded corners can't be squared anymore than you can glue your hair back on if it is cut too short...but I also get that is a part of what makes her brand unique to her. Quality is continuing to decline and as much as I love many kits, I am tired of paying for product that shouldn't have passed quality control. My finished pl album is my most favorite project of ANYTHING I have created and her ability to mainstream pocket scrapbooking was genius. I wish I didn't feel the way I do about her brand because of that, but I do Heck, PL has become my go-to scrapbooking. I just call it "documenting" because I really don't use anything PL-related when it comes to Becky's brand. It's a genius idea for those like me who love the compartimentalised approach. I can go back and slip in an extra picture that someone else took that week, a postcard I received that week but am not willing to take off the fridge door yet, edit out a picture or journaling card in the future (sometimes, you just don't want something to stick around in the album forever due to certain changes and PL makes it so easy to deal with that), etc. I call it my physical private social media timeline. However, the rounded corners + quality of the cards are a major letdown. I ended up buying Becky's Salsa value kit as it was offered in Spanish and it's still difficult to find physical PL products in other languages. Needless to say I'm struggling to use it. It's really not living up to what I've come to expect from card kits.
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Post by all5ofme on Sept 2, 2016 0:46:43 GMT
BTW, how does one become a certified scrapbook instructor? I think there is a word missing between "a" and "certified" and that word is Michaels. I'm not sure if it even still exists, but you could take a one day class and POOF, you are an "official certified scrapbook instructor"!
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