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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Aug 19, 2016 10:43:28 GMT
I am definitely not a Trump supporter, but I think this is wrong. Yes, he's an asshat and says assholian things, but at some point the rest of us should take the high road and let him bury his own damn self. ITA. It just seems so dumb. And what would we say if Hillary was the one who was targeted and naked statues of her were erected? It just doesn't sit right with me. We are becoming an idocracy society. Next on tv, Oww My Ballz.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 19, 2016 11:48:58 GMT
I'm not a fan. But then again, I am not a fan of how this election has devolved into such a disrespectful and crass free for all that appears to have zero limits and no boundaries.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 19, 2016 12:15:00 GMT
I am as anti-Trump as you can get and I think the statues are in poor taste. Absolutely I think Trump is an asshole BUT it is degrading the office of the President. SMH at how low things have become in this campaign. Sad. I agree with you. Unfortunately, I think it's the real Donald Trump who has led the downfall with his behavior. And many have cheered him as he did it. That's more appalling to me than any statue. I can't imagine what he could do in office.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 12:30:00 GMT
To anyone cheering this on while remaining angry and mystified at Trump's popularity, your days of confusion are over! You are them.
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Post by sawwhet on Aug 19, 2016 12:33:24 GMT
I died laughing but yep, it's wrong. Imagine the outcry if it were naked Hilary statues? This campaign is a train wreck.
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 19, 2016 12:33:29 GMT
Krazy--then I guess you would be fine if naked statues of Hillary start showing up?? This is wrong no matter which side you are on.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Aug 19, 2016 12:35:48 GMT
I stay out of political threads for the most part.
That statue is *not* a political statement. It's about humiliation and degradation.
I, personally, find it disgusting.
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Post by lindas on Aug 19, 2016 12:49:47 GMT
I stay out of political threads for the most part. That statue is *not* a political statement. It's about humiliation and degradation. I, personally, find it disgusting. Exactly. The 'artist' that created it and the people that promote it on social media are doing just what they accuse Trump of.
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Post by Anita on Aug 19, 2016 13:02:48 GMT
Well, I just can't unsee that. It would surprise me exactly 0% to find out Trump commissioned these and had them placed all over just to stir up more controversy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:14:31 GMT
What have these statues really accomplished? Does anyone really think Trump cares? I'm sure over the years he's developed a pretty thick skin.
This artist and all those defending him have played right into Trump's hands. He's gotten people to forsake their decency and integrity, and he's probably laughing at it right now. Reminds me of the saying to never wrestle a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
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Post by brina on Aug 19, 2016 13:16:45 GMT
I died laughing but yep, it's wrong. Imagine the outcry if it were naked Hilary statues? This campaign is a train wreck. people would be losing their shit if a naked Hillary statue was placed in public.
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Post by disneypal on Aug 19, 2016 13:21:51 GMT
Part of me feels that this crosses the line of decency for a Presidential campaign. I agree - I am NOT a Trump supporter AT ALL but I think these statues are tasteless and disrespectful to Trump - regardless of his political platform or his other issues, he is a human being and while it seems like things roll off his back (which I am sure most everything does) - why would you do this to a person? I always try to put myself in the other person's shoes and I can only imagine how I'd feel if someone did something like that to me. Regardless of if you like him or not, it is a possibility that he could be the next POTUS and we should respect that (we don't have to respect Trump, but we should respect the position) and we should respect him as a human being.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Aug 19, 2016 13:26:30 GMT
It is a sad day in our country when someone feels the need to do this and others think it is ok.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 19, 2016 13:48:47 GMT
I find the outrage about the statues amusing, given the passes Trump continues to get from his supporters. Too bad we didn't see the same amount of disgust over his innumerable horrible comments or his lack of respect for the President and the office. I've seen a number of Hillary memes on Facebook that have been very disrespectful - calling a Presidential nominee a cunt is pretty classy.
If these statues were done for any other candidate, Democrat or Republican, I think there would have been pretty universal disgust. But then again, no other candidate brings up their private bits in a televised national debate.
This election has brought out the worst in everybody and it's pretty sad. I can't wait for it to be over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 13:59:22 GMT
I find the outrage about the statues amusing, given the passes Trump continues to get from his supporters. Too bad we didn't see the same amount of disgust over his innumerable horrible comments or his lack of respect for the President and the office. I've seen a number of Hillary memes on Facebook that have been very disrespectful - calling a Presidential nominee a cunt is pretty classy. If these statues were done for any other candidate, Democrat or Republican, I think there would have been pretty universal disgust. But then again, no other candidate brings up their private bits in a televised national debate. This election has brought out the worst in everybody and it's pretty sad. I can't wait for it to be over. There's a pretty big difference between calling someone a cunt and life size statues of someone with their legs spread showing it.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2016 14:03:09 GMT
I wonder if more are going to pop up in other cities. Hope so. you hope that there are more opportunities to make fun of a person because of their size - because that is what this is some of you peas would be the first to jump up with fists raised for 'fat shaming' if this were a woman - any woman but it's okay because? he's a man? you don't like him? he has done the same? hyprocrites gina
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2016 14:09:18 GMT
i am sure i could have quoted other peas but i didn't go much further than the first couple posts
because i didn't want to be disappointed
no one 'brings anything on themselves' at this level
we all get pissy that hillary is judged on her pantsuits and hair (and looks in general)
but it's fair game to mock trumps hair or body
there is plenty wrong with society - and it's not just this election
as to how could melania sleep with him ? i'm sure money makes it easier
but it's quite possible she actually loves him
maybe he wasn't as paunchy when they got together
maybe, behind closed doors, he's a really great man
my husband is heavier than he was when we got together - and i can't imagine ever thinking something like that
can you imagine asking a man how he sleeps with his overweight wife?
gina
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 19, 2016 14:10:14 GMT
The people who enjoy this kind of thing are actively participating in what I find is most wrong about our Country and plays right into the narrative, "Make America Great Again". If you feel Trump is not the right person at the right time, then contribute to Clinton, work on her campaign and get her elected. That I can respect. But this is about as low and cunty as you can get.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 14:16:10 GMT
Tacky as hell but I don't really care one way or another. I giggled about the NY response. And yes, I'd feel the same if they were Hillary statues.
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Post by snowsilver on Aug 19, 2016 14:16:11 GMT
I would remind those of you who are getting such a great laugh out of this that Donald Trump has children who love him. Daughters! And a very young son. No matter Mr. and Mrs. Trump try, there will be no keeping this from Barron. No child should ever see his parent humiliated this way. And some of you actually think it is funny. God help us!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 14:20:53 GMT
It is a sad day in our country when someone feels the need to do this and others think it is ok. No it's a sad day in our country that someone like Trump is the presidential nominee of one of the two major political parties.
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 19, 2016 14:52:44 GMT
It is a sad day in our country when someone feels the need to do this and others think it is ok. No it's a sad day in our country that someone like Trump is the presidential nominee of one of the two major political parties. Same can be said about Hilary
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Post by gar on Aug 19, 2016 15:00:19 GMT
No it's a sad day in our country that someone like Trump is the presidential nominee of one of the two major political parties. Same can be said about Hilary Sorry but no. To the wider world she is not in the same category of terrifyingly unfunny joke at all.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 19, 2016 16:02:33 GMT
I died laughing but yep, it's wrong. Imagine the outcry if it were naked Hilary statues? This campaign is a train wreck. Yup. Yes, I laughed when I saw it. For me, the irony is what's humorous about the statue. The actual statue isn't humorous *at all*. TRUMP discussed his intimate particulars in public -- on national (global) television, no less! -- and now an artist made those comments into a visual. The artist may or may not have used some artistic license, but the actual concept of Trump's bits was put to the public BY TRUMP HIMSELF. And not in a shy way. It's ^that^ important piece of information that makes a naked Trump statue different than a naked (H) Clinton statue. HC has never offered details regarding her intimate body parts up for public discussion. (Yet, according to internet comments, there have been naked Hillary Clinton depictions online for years. I only read about them yesterday, so Clinton must be smart enough to not poke that hornet nest. I doubt Trump/his campaign will be as thick-skinned.) As for Trump's children being embarrassed, the older ones have been listening to him for years. If they haven't been embarrassed by their father's antics by now, I doubt this will even blip their radar. I do feel sorry that the younger boy will see the visual fallout of his father's crude remarks. I'm also sorry that it will undoubtedly be explained to him as "the media hates me because I'm strong and right and awesome" and not as "I behaved very crudely and rudely in public and now some people are crude and rude to me."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 16:19:14 GMT
Did I actually read someone say something to the effect "Good god....even if you hate the man, respect the office, blah blah blah"...are you kidding?.....after the disrespect that our current President and his wife have received on this board over the last eight year? Laughable. Clearly, the Trump supporters have about the same thin skin that Heir Trump has. When you get down in the mud like Heir Trump has with his insults, name-calling, making light of purple hearts, debating penis size on national television, it was bound to happen and I'm sure in retaliation one of his supporters will do the same to HRC. They've already put her in a prison suit and cage and paraded her down the middle of small town Iowa and everyone got a big kick out of that and were encouraged to throw water balloons. Iowa parade
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 16:25:30 GMT
I am as anti-Trump as you can get and I think the statues are in poor taste. Absolutely I think Trump is an asshole BUT it is degrading the office of the President. SMH at how low things have become in this campaign. Sad. I agree with you. Unfortunately, I think it's the real Donald Trump who has led the downfall with his behavior. And many have cheered him as he did it. That's more appalling to me than any statue. I can't imagine what he could do in office. And I would agree with that as well. Just when you think it can't get worse....
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Post by lucyg on Aug 19, 2016 16:40:29 GMT
I don't love the statues. Not on Trump's behalf, but on our own.
BUT Donald Trump mocked Hillary Clinton on national TV during the primary debates for taking too long in the bathroom during the commercial break, and went on and on about how disgusting it was.
The man has no shame, and I am unconcerned about his tender feelings about the "shame and humiliation" being heaped upon him by these statues.
He is the one who created this sordid world we live in, where these statues happen.
I can tell you I pretty much hated George Bush by the end, but I would have been angry about a similar George Bush statue. Donald Trump ... not so much. This is the world he wants for us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 16:53:31 GMT
We have a bullying problem in this country. Serious enough that some of our children who can no longer tolerate the bullying and because they see no end to the bullying take their own lives.
Donald J Trump is a bully who is running for President of this country. He belittled his opponents. He belittled those around him if they didn't agree with him. And he has gotten a pass for this behavior. By giving him the pass is a way of saying this type of behavior is acceptable.
Hillary has an ad running that says our children are watching. Yes they are watching and what they are seeing is a man standing in front of cheering people ridiculing a disabled reporter or a female commentator. While they may not know who he is or that he is running for office they are seeing a man making fun of people and crowds cheering him on. Is that the kind of behavior from a man running for president that we want our children to see?
The person who commissioned the statues said the ridiculing of the disabled reporter was the final straw. He/she struck back at Trump's bullying. They chose to show a dumpy old naked man , stripped of his trappings of wealth to show he is no better or worse then the rest of us. Was it the best thing to do? Maybe not but at least someone made a statement about Trump's disgusting behavior. I understand there is move to save one of the statues that popped up in SF to remind us of who Trump really is. And a well known watering hole said they would take naked Trump and proudly display the statue in their establishment. I hope it happens.
And for those who get all excited and jump up and down yelling "but but there is Hillary and her emails". That's true. However for children the emails are an abstract while Trump's belittling is front and center and is easily understood and punctuated with cheering crowds.
Yesterday Trump gave another of his "read" speeches that was amazing in a horrifying way. A mea culpa of sorts. With phrases like "I'll never lie to you" and in "the beat of debate I may have used words I shouldn't" Or " while sometimes I can be too honest". Or my favorite when he talks about the media "They take words of mine out of context and spend a week obsessing over single syllable, and then pretend to discover some hidden meaning in what I said".
After listening to him since last year I wondered how stupid does he think we are to believe that fairy tale he is trying to spin. Well apparently there are some buying his "turning a new leaf" speech. This morning these two tweets popped up.
1. Clinton:" I regret emails. (Repeats 1000x)" Media: "Why won't you express regret?"
Trump: " I regret _____" Media : " All is forgiven"
2. "That sound you hear is news organizations dropping bar to floor so man who lied/insulted them for a year can easily tiptoe over it".
Since I'm on a roll....To the comment that contained "plays into the narrative "Make America Great Again". There is absolutely no doubt what Trump means by that phrase. All you have to do is look at the history of Trump's newest member of his campaign team Steve Bannon to understand what it means.
Finally what has me disgusted with Trump more then usual was what he said in his " appeal to black voters speech given in a all white neighborhood " from the other night. I was watching Trevor Noah shred Trump apart because of what he said in that speech. I thought that was the best thing he had done since he took over from Jon Stewart. Anyway after watching the bit I decided to read what Trump had said. He insulted the very black voters he was appealing to. His plan for "fixing" what is wrong was pretty simple. More police. More police will fix everything. For some reason when I was reading his great fix all I could think of was a form of Martial law. It's worth a read.
So for me if the nude statue was of any other candidate, regardless whether I liked them or not, I would join the group who feel the artist went to far. But for Trump and his behavior as a bully it's just right. May I end with a comment to those who think we should "respect" Trump in spite of his behavior because he is the Republican nominees for President. Where is that respect for Hillary as the Democratic nominee? Edited to add if we are talking about respect where is the respect by certain members of Congress for the current President?
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Post by peasquared on Aug 19, 2016 16:53:43 GMT
This isn't the first "Naked Donald". Remember Kanye's Famous video.
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Post by snowsilver on Aug 19, 2016 17:02:24 GMT
I don't love the statues. Not on Trump's behalf, but on our own. BUT Donald Trump mocked Hillary Clinton on national TV during the primary debates for taking too long in the bathroom during the commercial break, and went on and on about how disgusting it was. The man has no shame, and I am unconcerned about his tender feelings about the "shame and humiliation" being heaped upon him by these statues. He is the one who created this sordid world we live in, where these statues happen. I can tell you I pretty much hated George Bush by the end, but I would have been angry about a similar George Bush statue. Donald Trump ... not so much. This is the world he wants for us. I guess with this post I just walk away with the sad realization that the world of courtesy and decency that I grew up in is over. All through this thread I've thought to myself "well at least Lucyg and Elaine (two of my most respected liberals) have not defended this vulgarity. But now, you have done so Lucy. I personally wasn't all that sure what Trump said about Hillary and the bathroom so I went and read it. And guess what! I think it was horrible! I will not--not for anything--defend this. It was wrong! It was reprehensible. It crossed a line that should never be crossed in politics. He was WRONG! There, you see I won't defend it. I think ALL of us should rise up on BOTH sides when this sort of thing happens and speak our opinions. Maybe we could start moving back across the line that leads to decency again. But I think maybe that line has been crossed forever when people like you, Lucy, will defend that statue.
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