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Post by snowsilver on Aug 19, 2016 17:04:42 GMT
krazy said: May I end with a comment to those who think we should "respect" Trump in spite of his behavior because he is the Republican nominees for President. Where is that respect for Hillary as the Democratic nominee?
If anyone put a statue of naked Hillary up like this has been done, I can pretty much promise you that most conservatives would be appalled. You show me ONE example of disrespect for Hillary that approaches this!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 17:06:22 GMT
He is the one who created this sordid world we live in, where these statues happen. I can tell you I pretty much hated George Bush by the end, but I would have been angry about a similar George Bush statue. Donald Trump ... not so much. This is the world he wants for us. No! This is not the world I want, where everyone is willing to get down in the mud because someone else did it first. We should be better than this. And this has nothing to do with Trump's feelings. Or respecting the office he's running for. Or respecting him. This is about respecting ourselves enough to NOT be like him.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 19, 2016 17:35:29 GMT
If statues of Hillary popped up, I would probably just roll my eyes, say it was stupid, and move on (same as if statues of Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb Bush appeared). So much shit has been done and said about her already that it wouldn't surprise me. But I would be surprised if she started talking about her lady bits in a debate or defending the size of her breasts or something equally ridiculous.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2016 17:38:41 GMT
krazy said: May I end with a comment to those who think we should "respect" Trump in spite of his behavior because he is the Republican nominees for President. Where is that respect for Hillary as the Democratic nominee? If anyone put a statue of naked Hillary up like this has been done, I can pretty much promise you that most conservatives would be appalled. You show me ONE example of disrespect for Hillary that approaches this!
Trump, the candidate, has said the most vile, disgusting, appalling, and disrespectful things.
Here is an example of disrespect aimed at Clinton by Trump supporters....
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2016 17:39:39 GMT
What about this? Attachments:
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2016 17:41:13 GMT
The naked statue of Trump can be left up to interpretation. Its like art. I look at is as "The Emperor Has No Clothes".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 17:41:59 GMT
If statues of Hillary popped up, I would probably just roll my eyes, say it was stupid, and move on (same as if statues of Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb Bush appeared). So much shit has been done and said about her already that it wouldn't surprise me. But I would be surprised if she started talking about her lady bits in a debate or defending the size of her breasts or something equally ridiculous. If you can stomach it, take a looky loo at Sean Hannity....he's got her in a grave in three months. It's embarrassing to watch the lengths that he's been going to trying to make line of thinking happen. She was even catching shit for using a pillow on the chair that she perches on when other speakers are speaking at her rallies.....holy shit. Naked Hillary statues...bring it on....you don't think she and her supporters haven't heard or seen it all when it comes to attacks on her over the past 25 years?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 19, 2016 17:42:12 GMT
Oh, those are fine 2peaornot2pea. As long as it isn't a statue we're all good!
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 19, 2016 17:44:36 GMT
If statues of Hillary popped up, I would probably just roll my eyes, say it was stupid, and move on (same as if statues of Marco Rubio, Bernie Sanders, or Jeb Bush appeared). So much shit has been done and said about her already that it wouldn't surprise me. But I would be surprised if she started talking about her lady bits in a debate or defending the size of her breasts or something equally ridiculous. If you can stomach it, take a looky loo at Sean Hannity....he's got her in a grave in three months. It's embarrassing to watch the lengths that he's been going to taking to make line of thinking happen. She was even catching shit for using a pillow on the chair that she perches on when other speakers are speaking at her rallies.....holy shit. Naked Hillary statues...bring it on....you don't think she and her supporters haven't heard or seen it all when it comes to attacks on her over the past 25 years? Sean Hannity -- lol. Not wasting brain cells or time on him - I'll take your word for it! The lengths people are going I think are a symptom of their fear or maybe dawning realization that she's likely going to win. And I agree - so much has been thrown at her that naked statues of her would probably not faze her one bit. She's got ovaries of steel.
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Post by snowsilver on Aug 19, 2016 17:45:13 GMT
And I am appalled at both of those examples. You see the point I'm making. MANY of you are defending the Naked Trump and finding it oh-so-funny. I find it repellent that you do so. I also find it repellent that anyone thinks the above pictured ugliness towards Hillary is funny.
I dislike Hillary. I believe that she IS responsible for many of the things she is accused of being responsible for. I think there is enough about Hillary to dislike without descending to this kind of vulgarity. I remember that she is a Grandma with babies who probably adore her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 17:48:26 GMT
If you can stomach it, take a looky loo at Sean Hannity....he's got her in a grave in three months. It's embarrassing to watch the lengths that he's been going to taking to make line of thinking happen. She was even catching shit for using a pillow on the chair that she perches on when other speakers are speaking at her rallies.....holy shit. Naked Hillary statues...bring it on....you don't think she and her supporters haven't heard or seen it all when it comes to attacks on her over the past 25 years? Sean Hannity -- lol. Not wasting brain cells or time on him - I'll take your word for it! The lengths people are going I think are a symptom of their fear or maybe dawning realization that she's likely going to win. And I agree - so much has been thrown at her that naked statues of her would probably not faze her one bit. She's got ovaries of steel. Oh trust me....I'm not watching him, I catch the lowlight reel and you're right about those ovaries of steel......nerves of steel too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 17:55:15 GMT
And this has nothing to do with Trump's feelings. Or respecting the office he's running for. Or respecting him. This is about respecting ourselves enough to NOT be like him.ITA I'm not going to tear my hair and rend my garments and wail endlessly about respect for the likes of Donald Trump. HOWEVER, I'm also not going to use his disgusting, subhuman behavior to justify that same kind of behavior when it comes to opposing him. If it's wrong when he does it, it's just as wrong when others do it. When politics can make you claim that morals and values are only necessary when you agree with someone, maybe it's time to stop drinking the party kool-aid. Looking at you, krazyscrapper.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Aug 19, 2016 18:31:39 GMT
And I am appalled at both of those examples. You see the point I'm making. MANY of you are defending the Naked Trump and finding it oh-so-funny. I find it repellent that you do so. I also find it repellent that anyone thinks the above pictured ugliness towards Hillary is funny. I dislike Hillary. I believe that she IS responsible for many of the things she is accused of being responsible for. I think there is enough about Hillary to dislike without descending to this kind of vulgarity. I remember that she is a Grandma with babies who probably adore her. You said to give you just one example so I did. Those are mild examples but there are plenty more.
What surprises me is how outraged you are over a statue, but you don't appear to be as outraged by Trump, the candidate who himself has behaved in a manner for more appalling and disrespectful than a piece of art.
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 19, 2016 18:34:33 GMT
Haven't even seen responses after page two. I'm sure it'll be interesting.
For those who question the audacity of these pieces being placed in various cities as it pertains to your notion of the level of disrespect to Trump, riddle me this. Did it not bother you to see Obama likenesses in LYNCHINGS in the US? I'll never forget those for sure. Did it bother you that so many 'Muricans flipped their lid over Michelle Obama's exposed bare arms? Calling her a man? Asking how he could kiss "that man?" All the while not making a single comment about naked Melania all over the Internet? There's a word some of you need to read about. It's "hypocrisy."
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Post by pierogi on Aug 19, 2016 18:52:26 GMT
krazy said: May I end with a comment to those who think we should "respect" Trump in spite of his behavior because he is the Republican nominees for President. Where is that respect for Hillary as the Democratic nominee? If anyone put a statue of naked Hillary up like this has been done, I can pretty much promise you that most conservatives would be appalled. You show me ONE example of disrespect for Hillary that approaches this!
Trump, the candidate, has said the most vile, disgusting, appalling, and disrespectful things.
Here is an example of disrespect aimed at Clinton by Trump supporters....
Eh, looks like fat shaming/body shaming to me. Nobody seems appalled, though.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 19, 2016 19:00:10 GMT
just for your information, in san francisco, the naked trump may be displayed at lefty o'douls...a bar near union square...
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Post by lucyg on Aug 19, 2016 19:02:50 GMT
I don't love the statues. Not on Trump's behalf, but on our own. BUT Donald Trump mocked Hillary Clinton on national TV during the primary debates for taking too long in the bathroom during the commercial break, and went on and on about how disgusting it was. The man has no shame, and I am unconcerned about his tender feelings about the "shame and humiliation" being heaped upon him by these statues. He is the one who created this sordid world we live in, where these statues happen. I can tell you I pretty much hated George Bush by the end, but I would have been angry about a similar George Bush statue. Donald Trump ... not so much. This is the world he wants for us. I guess with this post I just walk away with the sad realization that the world of courtesy and decency that I grew up in is over. All through this thread I've thought to myself "well at least Lucyg and Elaine (two of my most respected liberals) have not defended this vulgarity. But now, you have done so Lucy. I personally wasn't all that sure what Trump said about Hillary and the bathroom so I went and read it. And guess what! I think it was horrible! I will not--not for anything--defend this. It was wrong! It was reprehensible. It crossed a line that should never be crossed in politics. He was WRONG! There, you see I won't defend it. I think ALL of us should rise up on BOTH sides when this sort of thing happens and speak our opinions. Maybe we could start moving back across the line that leads to decency again. But I think maybe that line has been crossed forever when people like you, Lucy, will defend that statue. Then I have to say, I'm afraid you haven't read my post carefully. I am not in any way defending the statues. I find them distasteful. I believe I said as much in my previous post. I am merely saying that I am unconcerned about the delicate feelings of this man who has dragged our society so deeply into the mud over the past year. I would consider it a good thing for our country if he were capable of being embarrassed, actually. But I'm afraid he lives deep inside Donaldworld and is utterly incapable of feeling any shame. God help us all.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2016 19:24:45 GMT
Haven't even seen responses after page two. I'm sure it'll be interesting. For those who question the audacity of these pieces being placed in various cities as it pertains to your notion of the level of disrespect to Trump, riddle me this. Did it not bother you to see Obama likenesses in LYNCHINGS in the US? I'll never forget those for sure. Did it bother you that so many 'Muricans flipped their lid over Michelle Obama's exposed bare arms? Calling her a man? Asking how he could kiss "that man?" All the while not making a single comment about naked Melania all over the Internet? There's a word some of you need to read about. It's "hypocrisy." just as disgusted by that behavior ...thank you melania was naked on the internet because SHE posed naked i am not sure exactly who you are addressing but you'll never see a comment from me on someone's physical attributes some of us - even on the opposing side still respect the position of POTUS for me the hypocrisy lies in the fact that some peas are really quick to ridicule a man's body when they wouldn't do the same to a woman but that seems to be overlooked completely on this thread gina
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2016 19:26:10 GMT
I would consider it a good thing for our country if he were capable of being embarrassed, actually. But I'm afraid he lives deep inside Donaldworld and is utterly incapable of feeling any shame. it doesn't matter if the donald is ashamed or embarrassed but what about the many men who do, in fact, look like this naked? bet that feels good that this particular body type is being laughed at gina
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Post by lucyg on Aug 19, 2016 19:43:43 GMT
I would consider it a good thing for our country if he were capable of being embarrassed, actually. But I'm afraid he lives deep inside Donaldworld and is utterly incapable of feeling any shame. it doesn't matter if the donald is ashamed or embarrassed but what about the many men who do, in fact, look like this naked? bet that feels good that this particular body type is being laughed at gina Don't worry, we are on the same page.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 19, 2016 20:19:40 GMT
The adult in me says that's shameful and disgusting and entirely disrespectful.
The artist in me says that's a horribly unfair depiction, although I guess I've never seen him naked IRL.
The 12 yr old in me may or may not have giggled just a teensy little bit.
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Post by flute4peace on Aug 19, 2016 20:21:04 GMT
The best part is NYC Parks' response. I'm sorry but that's just funny right there.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 19, 2016 20:23:56 GMT
What seems to be missing here is the understanding it was Trump's actions that resulted in this artist responding the way he did. I'm sorry, but, no. Just no. What's missing here is respect - respect for the office, respect for this country and respect for someone who may be our next president, even if you hate him. Shouldn't the person running for that office respect it as well? He doesn't. He's not a serious candidate. He's proven that over and over and over again. He's a joke.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Aug 19, 2016 20:34:41 GMT
What seems to be missing here is the understanding it was Trump's actions that resulted in this artist responding the way he did. I'm sorry, but, no. Just no. What's missing here is respect - respect for the office, respect for this country and respect for someone who may be our next president, even if you hate him. I have zero problem maintaining my respect for the office of the POTUS and for America. I do not, however, unilaterally give my respect to every person who runs for public office, even if that office is the Presidency. And if someone I do not respect (looking at you, Donald) becomes the POTUS, I will continue to respect the *office* of the POTUS while continuing to have no respect for that person. I will then hold out hope that said person behaves in a way that will eventually earn my respect.
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Post by ladytrisha on Aug 19, 2016 20:53:38 GMT
I'm with Hillary, but I have to sat that this does go to far.
I know decency and courtesy is not a part of much of our lives anymore, but this is just puke.
And I hate him tremendously - but just no.
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Post by ginacivey on Aug 19, 2016 22:13:17 GMT
it doesn't matter if the donald is ashamed or embarrassed but what about the many men who do, in fact, look like this naked? bet that feels good that this particular body type is being laughed at gina Don't worry, we are on the same page. gotcha...the whole debacle is just ridiculous...both sides... i can't wait until november and hopefully it's only half the country pissy....not all of it gina
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 19, 2016 23:55:19 GMT
To anyone cheering this on while remaining angry and mystified at Trump's popularity, your days of confusion are over! You are them.Worth repeating! Ignoring the fact that it's Donald, that statue is disgusting. That's what bothers me the most. They are displaying that grossness in public for all ages to see. So yes, stupid.
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Post by MaryMary on Aug 20, 2016 0:04:04 GMT
I freakin' hate Donald the Trump, but there really is a line that shouldn't be crossed in politics. The fact that Donald's supporters have crossed it isn't a good enough excuse for this (or even the slightest bit surprising because they are, after all, his supporters).
And mostly, I'm so very relieved that he didn't actually pose naked somewhere, because nothing this election cycle will surprise me anymore.
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Post by ntsf on Aug 20, 2016 0:30:53 GMT
at least in san francisco.. there are often nude men of the same age and some of the same shape protesting on that corner. all ages expect it here and are not shocked.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 20, 2016 1:03:48 GMT
Haven't even seen responses after page two. I'm sure it'll be interesting. For those who question the audacity of these pieces being placed in various cities as it pertains to your notion of the level of disrespect to Trump, riddle me this. Did it not bother you to see Obama likenesses in LYNCHINGS in the US? I'll never forget those for sure. Did it bother you that so many 'Muricans flipped their lid over Michelle Obama's exposed bare arms? Calling her a man? Asking how he could kiss "that man?" All the while not making a single comment about naked Melania all over the Internet? There's a word some of you need to read about. It's "hypocrisy." Every single thing you have mentioned has bothered me, including the Trump (who I despise) statue. I voted for (and was disappointed with) President Obama. So, yes, yes, the depictions of him being lynched disgusted me, the insults to his wife disgusted me, I've made very clear I find the idea of having a First Lady who has posted naked disgisting. I find the statues of Trump disgusting. The idea you can't be disgusted by all of these things is ridiculous and a stupid assumption.
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