anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Aug 7, 2014 7:08:05 GMT
They are only there to manage your salvation. Eeek!
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BarbaraUK
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 7, 2014 9:11:09 GMT
The BBC had a article recently about a change of tactic by JW. They are now to be seen at train stations, shopping centres etc in a year long drive according to the article. I hope so because where I live they often knock on my door. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28166192 I've seen this a couple of times recently and didn't think much about it except to think it was a bit unusual to see JW's doing that and wonder for a few seconds about it. I missed that article so now the whole thing makes more sense!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 9:25:18 GMT
The BBC had a article recently about a change of tactic by JW. They are now to be seen at train stations, shopping centres etc in a year long drive according to the article. I hope so because where I live they often knock on my door. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28166192 Ah that's what they were doing! I saw this in London recently and thought that was unusual. Thanks for sharing that Wellway.
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BarbaraUK
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 7, 2014 9:57:24 GMT
The BBC had a article recently about a change of tactic by JW. They are now to be seen at train stations, shopping centres etc in a year long drive according to the article. I hope so because where I live they often knock on my door. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28166192 Ah that's what they were doing! I saw this in London recently and thought that was unusual. Thanks for sharing that Wellway. Glad I saw this as well as the article! I thought it was just a local thing to us when I saw it. I am due to be in London for a few days soon - if I had seen this there without reading this and the article, I would have been well and truly confuddled and it would have kicked the brain cell into wondering what was going on!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 10:43:10 GMT
Ah that's what they were doing! I saw this in London recently and thought that was unusual. Thanks for sharing that Wellway. Glad I saw this as well as the article! I thought it was just a local thing to us when I saw it. I am due to be in London for a few days soon - if I had seen this there without reading this and the article, I would have been well and truly confuddled and it would have kicked the brain cell into wondering what was going on!! It was actually at Kings Cross I saw them Barbara but I didn't see them anywhere else. To be honest I didn't see them approach anyone and I was fairly near them waiting for a friend. Three or four of them( I avoided looking at them directly LOL!) just standing with leaflets in their hands with the "advert" boarding propped up
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 7, 2014 11:13:38 GMT
It's funny how the pea world often overlaps with my experience in the real world. I just had a Watchtower flyer left on my front door yesterday.
I think this kind of proselytizing is more about THEM than who they are calling on. For some religions, it's an expectation or requirement for the person's own salvation. I still despise it no matter why the motivation.
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BarbaraUK
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Post by BarbaraUK on Aug 7, 2014 11:16:02 GMT
It was actually at Kings Cross I saw them Barbara but I didn't see them anywhere else. To be honest I didn't see them approach anyone and I was fairly near them waiting for a friend. Three or four of them( I avoided looking at them directly LOL!) just standing with leaflets in their hands with the "advert" boarding propped up Kings Cross is our arrival station Dotty.....so I will be avoiding looking at them directly as well just in case they decide to approach because we immediately have a very quick hop across to get 'Eurostar' to France before spending a couple of days in London.
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Post by gillyp on Aug 7, 2014 11:25:40 GMT
Twenty odd years ago I answered the door to two women and a child of about 7. I will never forget what one of the women said "I would like you to meet my daughter, she has drawn a picture for you. Give the lady your picture. Isn't it lovely. Aren't we lucky that God has given her this talent." Etc.etc.. I was furious that a child had been used like this but couldn't say much as the child was clearly waiting for thanks and it wasn't her fault I was so angry. I am pretty short with people coming to the door but there has recently been a programme on TV here following Mormon missionaries which for the first time made me consider what it must be like for them. So next time they come knocking I might invite them in for a cup of tea! Mormons don't drink tea unless it's herbal. I would ask anyway to see the awkward look on their faces. There are some that take a hard line and will not drink any type of tea. Is that right?! Shows how much I know.
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Post by grinningcat on Aug 7, 2014 11:42:20 GMT
They are only there to manage your salvation. My salvation does not need managing thank you very much. You come to my door to sell religion and you're probably not going to get a very nice response for bringing yourself uninvited on my property. You get what you deserve in this case. And yes, I have seen those poor children being forced along with their parents to force religion on others. The kids I feel sorry for because their parents are morons for using their children as pawns.
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Post by corinne11 on Aug 7, 2014 12:50:43 GMT
Ugh. Anyone pushing anything at me on my front doorstep annoys the hell out of me. When it's someone pushing their religion I always give them a huge smile and politely tell them I'm an atheist, and would love to tell them more about my chosen non-beliefs, so would they be so kind as to leave me their address and I will visit them unannounced one day? That usually does the trick. Can't say we've had anyone come to the door with a child yet, but that won't prevent me from using my standard response. We always had people knocking on our door early on Saturday mornings and finally my husband invited them in. He is an atheist and enjoys a good, fiesty debate on religion. They returned several times, each time bringing more senior members of the church with them. And yes, they often had young boys with them. They would leave pamphlets which he would read, write notes on and discuss when they next visited. I was getting annoyed having strangers sitting around drinking tea in my lounge room while I was trying to clean the house and said so, but they actually gave up first and stopped coming around of their own free will!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 12:54:13 GMT
I am sorry you guys I forgot something...they are there to manage your salvation and help save you. I should have put in the emoticon and then that might have made more sense. I know you don't need help managing your salvation. LOL I am good with mine and Grinnincat I am sure you are good with yours . Anniebygaslight too. Sorry for the miscommunication.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 13:42:52 GMT
One time when they came to our door, DH didn't answer as he saw them in the window. They actually tried the door to see if it was locked! Good thing we're neurotic and always keep our front door locked!
Ann
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Post by greenlegume on Aug 7, 2014 13:48:17 GMT
I am sorry you guys I forgot something... they are there to manage your salvation and help save you. I should have put in the emoticon and then that might have made more sense. I know you don't need help managing your salvation. LOL I am good with mine and Grinnincat I am sure you are good with yours . Anniebygaslight too. Sorry for the miscommunication. This doesn't make it any better
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 13:51:02 GMT
greenlegume, how about you put me on ignore then if what I post bothers you so much!
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Post by greenlegume on Aug 7, 2014 13:56:07 GMT
Elannah, you are some kind of hostile/crazy. My post was referencing the religious mentality of those who think they need to "manage" your salvation or help you get saved.
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Post by miominmio on Aug 7, 2014 13:56:48 GMT
They came to my home when DS was two or three (he's 15 now). I told them we are followers of the old Norse religion, and they haven't returned since. I don't know if it scared them or if they thought it's impossible to convert heathens, but I'm very thankful not to be on their list. My mom, who lives 100 yards from me, has them knocking onher door every year.
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~Susan~
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Post by ~Susan~ on Aug 7, 2014 14:34:19 GMT
They drop them off by the carloads in my neighbourhood. I just don't answer the door any more. I was told that JWs think that they earn their way into heaven with good works and have to do so many hour so of it a week, month, etc.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 7, 2014 15:48:24 GMT
I was told that JWs think that they earn their way into heaven with good works and have to do so many hour so of it a week, month, etc. You would be right. They become members of Christ’s body, and are made kings and priests of God. However, they do not yet have eternal life, they will receive it if they maintain their integrity until death. In other words, they will obtain the right to share heavenly life with Christ after death if they gain it through their own sacrifice. Here is what the Watchtower Society says: "To gain that incorruptible prize they must be loyal to God even at the cost of their human lives" (This Means Everlasting Life, page 121), and again: "Before such members of Christ's body can receive their heavenly inheritance they must be set apart more and more from this world and to the holy service of Jehovah God, demonstrating their dependability by carrying out their dedication faithfully until death" (Let God Be True, page 301). In the light of their teaching, therefore, the members of the anointed class must earn their own way to heaven! They don’t obtain salvation by the grace of God when they believe. For them, salvation is something which they will receive at the end of their earthly life if they are faithful to God or rather to the Watchtower Society.
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Post by scrapulous on Aug 7, 2014 17:50:06 GMT
The Supreme Court of the US has actually ruled several times in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses, and by extension other religious groups, regarding their right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They are allowed to go door to door in any part of the US, period. Therefore "no soliciting" signs do not apply to them. If you call the police on them, the police will show up just to make sure they are actually Jehovah's Witnesses, but they cannot FORCE them to stop their preaching work. They may suggest that the JW's leave the area for a while and return on a different day so as to appease the person who called, but the police know that they have a constitutional right to go door to door.
Also, I think some of you have soliciting and trespassing confused. If you don't want anyone to knock on your door, put up a no trespassing sign. Those are legally enforceable. The police can and will take action if those signs are disregarded by anyone at any time. No soliciting signs are not legally enforceable. It doesn't matter what YOU think soliciting is, Jehovah's Witnesses and other religious groups, politicians, and even Girl Scouts (who do actually sell something for money) have had their rights upheld by the Supreme Court, so your sign means nothing. So to save yourself some grief, just get a no trespassing sign if you really don't want anyone knocking.
The same right has been upheld by the European Court of Human Rights. So even in the UK they can and do go door to door with their children, legally.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 7, 2014 18:19:24 GMT
It would be much nicer if JW's simply recognized that their proselytizing practices are abhorrent. They need to adopt a different approach completely because what they are doing is, in fact, driving people away.
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~Susan~
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Post by ~Susan~ on Aug 7, 2014 18:21:46 GMT
The Supreme Court of the US has actually ruled several times in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses, and by extension other religious groups, regarding their right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They are allowed to go door to door in any part of the US, period. Therefore "no soliciting" signs do not apply to them. If you call the police on them, the police will show up just to make sure they are actually Jehovah's Witnesses, but they cannot FORCE them to stop their preaching work. They may suggest that the JW's leave the area for a while and return on a different day so as to appease the person who called, but the police know that they have a constitutional right to go door to door. Also, I think some of you have soliciting and trespassing confused. If you don't want anyone to knock on your door, put up a no trespassing sign. Those are legally enforceable. The police can and will take action if those signs are disregarded by anyone at any time. No soliciting signs are not legally enforceable. It doesn't matter what YOU think soliciting is, Jehovah's Witnesses and other religious groups, politicians, and even Girl Scouts (who do actually sell something for money) have had their rights upheld by the Supreme Court, so your sign means nothing. So to save yourself some grief, just get a no trespassing sign if you really don't want anyone knocking. The same right has been upheld by the European Court of Human Rights. So even in the UK they can and do go door to door with their children, legally. You are correct. That is why I just don't answer the door.
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craftchickapowpow
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Post by craftchickapowpow on Aug 7, 2014 18:26:55 GMT
must be that time of year for JW's to recruit. Last night I read this thread and posted that I didn't answer the door for solicitors. Well that post must have beetlejuiced them because this morning *knock knock* (no car in the driveway) 2 minute pause *ring ring* I know they heard me banging around in the kitchen but after a few more knocks and rings,they finally gave up. What part of No Soliciting do these people not get?
ETA I just read the above post and I'll get a No Trespassing sign but I'm betting that won't make any difference.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Aug 7, 2014 18:30:46 GMT
must be that time of year for JW's to recruit. Last night I read this thread and posted that I didn't answer the door for solicitors. Well that post must have beetlejuiced them because this morning *knock knock* (no car in the driveway) 2 minute pause *ring ring* I know they heard me banging around in the kitchen but after a few more knocks and rings,they finally gave up. What part of No Soliciting do these people not get? Apparently, "No Soliciting" doesn't apply to them. I'll tell ya something, I don't take too kindly to anyone thinking they have some kind of right to disturb my solitude and peace. If you think you have a right to knock on my door, then I'll warn you in advance that I reserve the right to throw a bucket of cold water on you upon the opening of said door. Good day.
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Post by withapea on Aug 7, 2014 18:34:36 GMT
It seems to come in waves, weeks or even months with nothing, then all of a sudden they're knocking on the door, multiple times a week. I have a sign up that's ignored. We get mostly JW and Mormons. I personally dislike the practice very much.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Aug 7, 2014 18:52:39 GMT
had a JW come by my house just this morning, drives me bonkers. I want them to just stop coming< i mean my gosh. the woman today has een here before, but still hasnt gotten the hint
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 7, 2014 19:25:29 GMT
Don't you? Dragging a child from door to door, when they should be out playing and potentially subjecting him/ her to verbal abuse from people who do not want other people's crack pot religions ramming down their throat can hardly be considered to be in the child's best interests. It is no different to dragging a child around while you are out working. It would not be considered acceptable here. No, I don't understand. And I don't agree with your assessment of the situation as being against the child's best interests. I have two friends who work for the Children's Aid Society here, and the things they deal with are FAR worse than a child missing out on some potential play time. I agree. I'm more into serving and living the message rather than door knocking, but I don't see the outrage over bringing kids along. It's not abuse. And kids aren't supposed to be out playing all the time. I guess I'd rather see parents bring their child along to proselytize or invite people in their community to try their church than some of the other situations I see parents drag their kids to. When I went for a manicure there was a mom getting a mani and pedi and she had 3 kids along. They were BORED and getting antsy and she was shouting at them and threatening them from across the shop. That wasn't illegal but I sure felt bad for the kids. If the authorities would investigate parents for bringing their kids out like that, I'd say the government is too invasive.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 21:32:07 GMT
I didn't think they've ever had a problem here in the UK. They've been doing it for years. I've only seen kids with them on a Sunday morning though. I assumed that was because they had no one to look after them. Can you tell me what was upheld in the ECHR? just for curiosity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 21:49:35 GMT
The Supreme Court of the US has actually ruled several times in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses, and by extension other religious groups, regarding their right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They are allowed to go door to door in any part of the US, period. Therefore "no soliciting" signs do not apply to them. If you call the police on them, the police will show up just to make sure they are actually Jehovah's Witnesses, but they cannot FORCE them to stop their preaching work. They may suggest that the JW's leave the area for a while and return on a different day so as to appease the person who called, but the police know that they have a constitutional right to go door to door. Also, I think some of you have soliciting and trespassing confused. If you don't want anyone to knock on your door, put up a no trespassing sign. Those are legally enforceable. The police can and will take action if those signs are disregarded by anyone at any time. No soliciting signs are not legally enforceable. It doesn't matter what YOU think soliciting is, Jehovah's Witnesses and other religious groups, politicians, and even Girl Scouts (who do actually sell something for money) have had their rights upheld by the Supreme Court, so your sign means nothing. So to save yourself some grief, just get a no trespassing sign if you really don't want anyone knocking. The same right has been upheld by the European Court of Human Rights. So even in the UK they can and do go door to door with their children, legally. This is not correct. The SC has ruled against laws for city wide no soliciting bans, but not private residences with a no soliciting sign.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Aug 7, 2014 22:07:33 GMT
There is a lady in my church whose father was a Lutheran minister. Mormons knocked on their door one day and her father invited them in. She said at the end of the conversation he almost had them converted to Lutheranism. She said they never knocked on their door again. As Christians we are suppose to tell others about Christ. Going door-to-door was the way it was done. Times have changed and this method isn't good anymore. A simple act of kindness can say more than words ever could.
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Post by greenlegume on Aug 7, 2014 23:18:18 GMT
It would be much nicer if JW's simply recognized that their proselytizing practices are abhorrent. They need to adopt a different approach completely because what they are doing is, in fact, driving people away.
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